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Is anyone able to play 3D content from the Netflix app? I cannot and get an error that my internet is not fast enough, despite it being a 30 down connection. I went on live chat with a Netflix rep and she said that no Samsung TVs are supported for 3D playback at the moment.
Edited by Watcher12 - 1/5/14 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

THANKS for this! if i haven't set up a PIN, is there a pre set code? hope i don't need to use this, but just in case!

Default PIN is 0000 (four zeros). smile.gif
post #2913 of 5678
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Sound like you're as passionate about it as I am.

What would be interesting would be to put an F8500 next to an F8000 and compare ABL.

Yup. I'm very passionate about well-behaved ABL circuitry since I think it so directly impacts PQ. I think if more people saw a good A/B with the right material and how significant the differences can be, more would be passionate like us Jim. It certainly pushed me to the 8500 when comparing it to the ZT60.

As for the 8000, yes, with no need for an ABL, it bests the 8500 in that category. If it had been a true local dimmer like the Sharp Elite, its black levels would have been better and more competitive with the 8500.

You sound like a BestBuy salesman, Ken. The F8000's are full of corner flash lighting and cross screen clouding. The only time they're black is when the picture calls for it because ALL the LED's shut down at once. I've calibrated several and own one myself - definitely a day time, non reference viewer. Of course, as you love to say, if you can't see it, what does it matter? Or was that Hillary?????
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I'd usually be the last person to rush to his defense, but I don't think he claimed the black levels on the F8000 were good...he only made commentary about the superiority of the ABL with regards to the F8000 and that full-array local dimming tech would make it more competitive in the black level dept. That said, I am still completely unphased by the ABL limitations of the plasma competition to which he keeps alluding.
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Abl can cause brightness pops with the way it's implemented from the way I understand the function.
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can someone here explain what black optimizer does and where to set it for best results? my set is the F5300 and I'm currently using the dark room selection and while the blacks in dark scenes are great they float up to more grayish levels with normal and bright scenes

also, I can see the black level brighten and dim in a 'pulse' like manner on scenes with lots of black in the background... it's almost as if the panel is settling on a black level based on content and if the content is variable the black level is continuously pulsing... otherwise for static content it settles in a few seconds at most
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Its not the reflections that are the issue. All TVs do that. It's the horizontal reflections that are added by the F8500 screen. Look closely at the example photos below. The horizontal lines from the reflected wall that are showing in the background on the TV are not on the actual wall.

(Below is the wall reflected from the Samsung F8500.)


(Below is the same wall reflected from a Panasonic TV. No horizontal lines.)


The horizontal lines (shadows) are created by the TV screen. In my home, a light wall behind me as I view the TV is reflected on the TV with horizontal shadows just like the ones in the photo. Also, sky reflected from a window on the side shows up on the TV with rows of horizontal shadows (See photo below.) This effect can be seen in all light colored reflections when the TV is off and when dark images cover the TV screen when it is on.


Hi There

 

I know what you mean, I think all Samsung 8500 sets have those bars. In order to see those lines you don't even have to turn the TV on. I see those lines as well since first day but they don't appear when TV is turned on.

 

If there is any banding issue you can clearly see when TV is turned on.There are couple of youtube videos.

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Hi There

 

I know what you mean, I think all Samsung 8500 sets have those bars. In order to see those lines you don't even have to turn the TV on. I see those lines as well since first day but they don't appear when TV is turned on. See I have uploaded the picture as well.

 

If there is any banding issue you can clearly see when TV is turned on.There are couple of youtube videos.

post #2919 of 5678
To have any form of lighting directly reflecting back to your viewing position is not recommended for any TV. Are you able to readjust things?
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I am getting mine next week and have been reading all the threads ahead of time. maybe this will help http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475066/official-samsung-pnxxf8500-owners-thread-no-street-price-talk/1530#post_23704025

That did it. Thanks!
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To have any form of lighting directly reflecting back to your viewing position is not recommended for any TV. Are you able to readjust things?

There is no lighting directly reflecting back. It's just a wall painted tan. The horizontal shadows are only visible on that wall's reflection when the room is not darkened. The windows are on one side only, so they do not come into play unless I view the TV from the left side, which is not my normal seating position. Shades will keep this issue from being a big problem anyway.
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You sound like a BestBuy salesman, Ken. The F8000's are full of corner flash lighting and cross screen clouding. The only time they're black is when the picture calls for it because ALL the LED's shut down at once. I've calibrated several and own one myself - definitely a day time, non reference viewer. Of course, as you love to say, if you can't see it, what does it matter? Or was that Hillary?????

Thanks Buzz for helping me decide between the F8500 and the F8000. Now I have to wait to see what pops up at CES.

Do have to ask, why do you have an F8000 if it has so many problems? Seems that the F8500 would have been a better choice.
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You sound like a BestBuy salesman, Ken. The F8000's are full of corner flash lighting and cross screen clouding. The only time they're black is when the picture calls for it because ALL the LED's shut down at once. I've calibrated several and own one myself - definitely a day time, non reference viewer. Of course, as you love to say, if you can't see it, what does it matter? Or was that Hillary?????

Thanks Buzz for helping me decide between the F8500 and the F8000. Now I have to wait to see what pops up at CES.

Do have to ask, why do you have an F8000 if it has so many problems? Seems that the F8500 would have been a better choice.

The F8500 is a great way to go and maybe there will be some small improvements revealed at CES. I don't hold much hope for much happening with LCD. If they come out with a 4K full array local dimming model it will be worth looking at but we'll probably see nothing more than 4K with flashlighting LED in 2014. Worrisome is the Panasonic/Sony OLED partnership failure. OLED may not be the future after all. That's why I just took delivery of a 65VT60 to compliment my VT50 and Samsung PN51D8000 PDP to hold me over until the industry produces high quality panels again and I don't care what the format is.

I have a 55F8000 as it responds very well to 3D LUTs and I use it for LightSpace software beta testing.
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The F8500 is a great way to go and maybe there will be some small improvements revealed at CES. I don't hold much hope for much happening with LCD. If they come out with a 4K full array local dimming model it will be worth looking at but we'll probably see nothing more than 4K with flashlighting LED in 2014. Worrisome is the Panasonic/Sony OLED partnership failure. OLED may not be the future after all. That's why I just took delivery of a 65VT60 to compliment my VT50 and Samsung PN51D8000 PDP to hold me over until the industry produces high quality panels again and I don't care what the format is.

I have a 55F8000 as it responds very well to 3D LUTs and I use it for LightSpace software beta testing.
Congrats on the VT60. Welcome to the club!

As far as the F8500 vs the F8000. If the price is the same I have no idea why anyone would go with the LED over the Plasma. They offer all the same features with one of them offering much better PQ. Only way I would go with the LED is if it were much less then the Plasma. Sammy's Plasma's are also the best around when it comes to handling IR if that was a concern. That is another area where they got Panasonic beat.
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Its not the reflections that are the issue.
Not sure what that is, never really seen anything like it.
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Not sure what that is, never really seen anything like it.
So the horizontal shadows in reflected areas (like the ones within the windows in the photo with the TV off) are not normal for this model? They are not due to the anti-glare filter?
post #2927 of 5678
I see the same thing on my set. Just figured it was part of the anti-glare filter as well.
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snip...

I have a 55F8000 as it responds very well to 3D LUTs and I use it for LightSpace software beta testing.

That makes sense. No ABL to muck up the picture.

I know if I was in your place, I'd be thinking what does a man have to do to get a great TV. Plasma has advantages but has ABL. LED doesn't have ABL but does have other annoyances....some that can be corrected with LUT calibration and others that can't. Too bad we can't get all in one panel.

Looking forward to your comments on your VT60 and specifically how it compares to your VT50.
post #2929 of 5678
Well no new samsung plasmas at CES. No new models till mid-year according to this CNET article.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-35303_1-57616627/samsung-well-have-new-plasmas-just-not-at-ces-2014/
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Originally Posted by Watcher12 View Post

Is anyone able to play 3D content from the Netflix app? I cannot and get an error that my internet is not fast enough, despite it being a 30 down connection. I went on live chat with a Netflix rep and she said that no Samsung TVs are supported for 3D playback at the moment.

Yes, works great for me.
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Yes, works great for me.

What firmware are you on? I was able to play 3D content prior to 1116 but now cannot.
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I'm on 1116 and Netflix 3D works fine. Occasionally it'll drop out because of slow wifi speed, but that's about it.
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I'm on 1116 and Netflix 3D works fine. Occasionally it'll drop out because of slow wifi speed, but that's about it.


So do you have those cheap battery operated Samsung Active glasses or is there any another option to buy an alternate? I have 3 batteries DOA (Already dead on arrival).

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I just use the ones that came with the tv. I know that you can buy different glasses. As a matter of fact I think there was someone earlier in this thread comparing some options.
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tT6z3z

So I've had my 51" for a day now. The picture on Dish Network channels is fantastic.

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What firmware are you on? I was able to play 3D content prior to 1116 but now cannot.

I'm on 1117. I just tried it and after loading to 100%, I did get the message that network is too slow and couldn't play it but I just chose "try again" and it loaded and played fine on the second try.
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So do you have those cheap battery operated Samsung Active glasses or is there any another option to buy an alternate? I have 3 batteries DOA (Already dead on arrival).

I had a couple show up with nearly dead batteries as well. Fortunately replacements are quite cheap, just ordered a set of 5 from Amazon for $1.96 shipped.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002E0DSBW/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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To repeat an earlier post, for those looking for better quality Samsung 3D glasses, look no further than here...

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YWCQLO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1M2XARP67I1BE&coliid=I3KONH65KIBBGA

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006YWKCTW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1M2XARP67I1BE&coliid=I2I9CW80E2PIJ9

 

They come with cases and cleaning cloth.

 

I am going to order at least 2 pairs.  They are rechargeable, and I prefer them to the cheap glasses that come with the display.

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Some reported this with 1116 ?
Later last night I did see what "I think" is a difference but was for the worse.
Could be just my eyes late at night or crappy OTA HD content but I think I saw more mpeg macroblocking and flesh tones were more greenish.
Hopefully some 3D fix did not mess up the 2D video processing ?

I did not do any color measurements last week (just grayscale & gamma) so maybe when you check with your meter you can see if color decoding or something changed.

Todd

Todd have you re-measured your black levels since your initial calibration ? Any drift positive or negative ?
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Todd have you re-measured your black levels since your initial calibration ? Any drift positive or negative ?

Yes, they measure exacly the same as before (see link in my signature).
The last couple of updates may have changed (raised) the threshold for B/O however but that would require some very special test patterns to measure.
All I have measured is below and above the threshold (10% window size patterns from GCD disk with and without APL).
This would explain why some feel the picture is blacker ?

I still think that 1117 did something with video processing and mpeg noise and macroblocking are more visible ??
Very few have commented on 1117 after the firestorm from 1116.

My comment about flesh tones was true but probably not the case for everyone else.
I did my grayscale calibration in the service menu and had all the color temp modes offsets set to 0 (makes all CT modes from cool to warm2 the same).
The 1117 update changed some of these offsets but not the basic W/B settings.
FYI: I do the cal in service menu since the controls (RGB offset & gain) have much finer steps( 256 steps with 128 in the center) and I can set my movie mode defaults.
Not for everyone however.

I reset all the cal and except for the issue above with macrblocking etc. all is good.

Todd
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