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thanks all for answering my question. i appreciate it!

also, just got off phone with samsung regarding the complimentary remote... as you can well figure, no one knows anything!!! they are now aware of the 'invalid request' situation and 'will look into it.' told me to check back next week...

How did you manage to request the traditional remote for FREE?
post #782 of 5624
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

thanks all for answering my question. i appreciate it!

also, just got off phone with samsung regarding the complimentary remote... as you can well figure, no one knows anything!!! they are now aware of the 'invalid request' situation and 'will look into it.' told me to check back next week...

How did you manage to request the traditional remote for FREE?

https://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/notice/remote/index.jsp

samsungs link is not working properly, yet. hopefully by sometime next week they will have that fixed. when i spoke with someone there today they couldnt help me so i dont think it can be ordered by phone as of right now. i will wait untill mid next week and try again... its 'complimentary' including free ship!!
post #783 of 5624
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Originally Posted by 6311 View Post

"more than enough"

This is not a serious answer

Panasonic registers 30BIT over a billion colors.

Plasma should probably make "BREAK IN"

most of those (over a billion colors) types of numbers are usually just marketing hype. have you read any of the reviews posted in the first page of this thread? the amount of colors on this set is certainly more than enough! dont know what samsungs actual claimed number is. also on first page of this thread explains what i did for initial break in of this set. hope this helps you!

from samsung.com
'Wide Color Enhancer Plus
Enhances hues by expanding the color range for a more vivid viewing experience especially beneficial when watching older film productions and non high definition content.'

'Whether watching a beautifully shot movie or sporting event, the new Super Contrast Panel gives your TV picture incredible brightness and contrast. Larger Red/Green/Blue sub-pixel color areas within the panel create a picture that rivals LED TVs for brightness. To further improve the already impressive Plasma TV black levels, the Super Contrast Panel combines two key innovations: The Real Black Pro filter improves deep black levels in bright room conditions, and Adaptive Reset Control does the same for darker rooms. The result is deep, rich colors and spectacular contrast.'

'Real Black Pro Filter is a technological advancement that combines a hardware and software enhancement to improve picture quality with deeper blacks, bolder color, and higher contrast by reducing light reflection'
Edited by ljmart - 7/19/13 at 10:39am
post #784 of 5624
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Originally Posted by echoesian View Post

Sorry for the picture posted earlier, that was taken using my iPhone, I'll take another better photo later. As for the lines, they are only visible on a total white color background, I'm not able to see it during normal TV/movie viewing. Shall I worry and call the service center or wait until it become worsen?

Not sure what to tell you. I had a pretty bad uniformity problem with my E7000 which showed up as reddish blotches in certain areas of the screen on white or light scenes. Samsung swapped the panel out twice, and replaced the only board not included with the panel. The problem persisted. I ended up getting the 8500 as a replacement and the uniformity on this set is close to perfect. Here's a pic of a white slide I took with my phone. The slight red tint isn't visible by eye, so is a camera artifact. Also, there's a thin bright reflection right of center from a window that's not on the TV.



It's hard to tell from your photo how much of that red tint on the sides is due to the photo and how much you see by eye. I would say if it bothers you during normal viewing then it's probably worth seeing if Samsung will swap the panel, because based on what I'm seeing the 8500 is capable of excellent uniformity. If it's not visible or annoying normally then it's a harder decision. What's hard to know is the variability between units. Maybe some calibrators who've seen and worked on several of these could provide an idea of how consistent they are.
post #785 of 5624
Downloaded the samsung smart hub app called nation geographic and they had some cool pictures ..
With the bonded filter combined with the inky blacks and whites I am glad i returned the VT60 after owning it for 60 days

Taken in a dark room and I do not think there is a camera made that can show what it really looks like in person. It is so much better
Enjoying the smart hub too with no fans running in the back ground. My apple tv is going on ebay this week. There is so many apps to choose from its like having a Roku.
Panasonic could not even match the smart hub on the samsung.. I am really starting to think when CNET did the review on the VT/ZT they are very biased towards panasonic. I wonder if they are getting paid off.
Also the 4 pairs of 3d glasses are wonderfully made. I thought they were cheap compared to panasonics 2 pairs of glasses but after owning this set I very much prefer samsung glasses and true 1080p 3D on the samsung. Plus its a welcome to invite more then 2 people over to watch 3d vs spending another 200 on glasses , i thought this is ridiculus and a recommendation for panasonic "we are not in the year 2010 when 3d TV came out ..please sell your sets with more then 2 pairs and also another tip for petes sake fire the guy who is in charge of engineering and designing your viera smart tv software.


I guess this picture shows off blacks. I think the blacks look better then the VT only because the contrast /Brightness is so much higher on the samsung. I can not say enough about the daylight performance , like having a LED set but i am sure way better. adios panasonic
















Edited by CSIG1001 - 7/19/13 at 9:21pm
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csig, nice pics!! and thanks for the tip on natgeo app. looks great. i havent messed around with any of the apps so this gives me something to check out. i have over 1800 hrs on my set and am still mesmerized by the stunning pq! it is gorgeous, and glad you are enjoying yours.
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csig, nice pics!! and thanks for the tip on natgeo app. looks great. i havent messed around with any of the apps so this gives me something to check out. i have over 1800 hrs on my set and am still mesmerized by the stunning pq! it is gorgeous, and glad you are enjoying yours.

Yeah i am very impressed coming from a 60" ST30 and owning a VT60 ... l very much feel i got what I paid for .. Check out the app called set the mood i believe it was called. It shows different background animations . I am very impressed with all the apps. It makes my apple tv like a joke. I am not much of an itunes buyer of movies or music since i have my own collection , what is funny is i own a ipad 4 and after seeing what smart hub has i am selling off the apple tv. I can see this only getting better since samsung is rolling in the dough this past year in revenue and also the evolution kit might be a worthy upgrade.

i can not believe The samsung tv plays every movie/music file known to man unlike panasonic
i am loving it..
btw
I took those pics with a ipad 4
post #788 of 5624
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oh wow thats just incredible! i have ipad2 and photos are terrible! may be time to trade up LOL. thanks for the additional info smile.gif
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Not sure what to tell you. I had a pretty bad uniformity problem with my E7000 which showed up as reddish blotches in certain areas of the screen on white or light scenes. Samsung swapped the panel out twice, and replaced the only board not included with the panel. The problem persisted. I ended up getting the 8500 as a replacement and the uniformity on this set is close to perfect. Here's a pic of a white slide I took with my phone. The slight red tint isn't visible by eye, so is a camera artifact. Also, there's a thin bright reflection right of center from a window that's not on the TV.



It's hard to tell from your photo how much of that red tint on the sides is due to the photo and how much you see by eye. I would say if it bothers you during normal viewing then it's probably worth seeing if Samsung will swap the panel, because based on what I'm seeing the 8500 is capable of excellent uniformity. If it's not visible or annoying normally then it's a harder decision. What's hard to know is the variability between units. Maybe some calibrators who've seen and worked on several of these could provide an idea of how consistent they are.

I notice that it has a short vertical line on the right side of the screen....
post #790 of 5624
See Section 2 Explanation of run plasma
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasma-screen-burn-2007032738.htm

"Display a pure white image covering the whole of the plasma screen. Reference Materials, Title 14 (System Evaluation), Chapter 6 (100% Flat Field) in Digital Video Essentials works well, just make sure you don’t display the pause button too."

What am I supposed to do with screen F8500 ???
post #791 of 5624
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I notice that it has a short vertical line on the right side of the screen....

As I mentioned, that bright line is a reflection from a window that's in front of the TV. It's not a defect in the screen. The photo also exaggerates some apparent unevenness that doesn't show up to the eye. For comparison here's a shot I just took with the same phone of my pro grade calibrated LED monitor with the same white slide.



To my eye the monitor uniformity is virtually flawless, but the camera doesn't quite show it that way. Just a limitation of the white balance, exposure, and contrast of the camera.
Edited by abalone - 7/20/13 at 5:48am
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As I mentioned, that bright line is a reflection from a window that's in front of the TV. It's not a defect in the screen. The photo also exaggerates some apparent unevenness that doesn't show up to the eye. For comparison here's a shot I just took with the same phone of my pro grade calibrated LED monitor with the same white slide.



To my eye the monitor uniformity is virtually flawless, but the camera doesn't quite show it that way. Just a limitation of the white balance, exposure, and contrast of the camera.

From my eye, this color is better than the previous one
post #793 of 5624
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From my eye, this color is better than the previous one

I wouldn't draw firm conclusions from those photos. Totally different lighting conditions, different distances and angles. The point was my photos don't accurately show the screen uniformity as perceived by eye, and the 8500 uniformity is darn good.
Edited by abalone - 7/20/13 at 8:55am
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To my eye the monitor uniformity is virtually flawless, but the camera doesn't quite show it that way.
Enjoy her then wink.gif
post #795 of 5624
I did not know this thread existed so forgive me for posting this duplicate post from the other thread.


I am having some difficulties with the remote. At times I have to keep moving my fingers in a swiping motion over and over to get the cursor on the screen to react. Then at other times the cursor goes past the letter or icon I want.

Sometimes when I use my cable remote to change a channel up or down one channel the channel number display on the screen changes but the cable box channel display either lags behind (ie. panel will show #125 and cable box #124) or the cable box channel number display does not change. So the panel may indicate #125 the picture is on the screen is #124 until the cable box number changes. (and sometimes the cable box channel number does not catch up to the panel channel number.

Other times it takes several seconds for the cable box channel to catch up to the panel channel number.

Anyone have any solutions or know why this happens?
post #796 of 5624
Looked at a 60" VT60 and a 60" F8500 at A BB Magnolia.

Yes the VT60 had slightly darker blacks, but the F8500 had whiter whites and looked better to my eyes, also the VT60 panel itself seemed a lot warmer to the touch.

I also felt the VT60 colors are a tad bit too warm.

My F8500 will arrive on Thirsday
post #797 of 5624
Who are the go to guys for Samsung Plasma calibration in the LA/OC area?

Also what do you guys recommend for a wall mount? I dont want one of those ultra slim mounts to put it snug up against the wall. I want the glass screen of the plasma to be about 8-10" away from the wall. So it appears like it's floating over the AV Cabinet.
post #798 of 5624
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The 8500 can display more colors than humans can see

Again a no good answer, the eye can see 48BIT
Samsung transmits 24 BIT
so you are wrong

Also not related to my question, I asked a few colors actual transmitter
The answer should be a number
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Originally Posted by 6311 View Post

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The 8500 can display more colors than humans can see

Again a no good answer, the eye can see 48BIT
Samsung transmits 24 BIT
so you are wrong

Also not related to my question, I asked a few colors actual transmitter
The answer should be a number

since you feel this is 'wrong' and we cant sufficiently answer your question, perhaps you would have better luck contacting samsung directly?
Edited by ljmart - 7/21/13 at 10:03am
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The 8500 can display more colors than humans can see

Again a no good answer, the eye can see 48BIT
Samsung transmits 24 BIT
so you are wrong

Also not related to my question, I asked a few colors actual transmitter
The answer should be a number

I'm not wrong, but as the other poster said you should seek an answer that makes you happy elsewhere. You have some agenda other than sharing your experience as a F8500 owner, which is what this thread is about.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_6.html
Edited by abalone - 7/21/13 at 7:10am
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The 8500 can display more colors than humans can see

Again a no good answer, the eye can see 48BIT

I have never seen any writings to suggest that the human eye can distinguish this many colors. The LARGEST number I have seen mentioned is 10 million (which is 24 bits) but I have also seen numbers as low as 100,000 (which is 17 bits).

Where did you see that humans can distinguish 48 bits worth of colors?
Edited by fcwilt - 7/22/13 at 11:47am
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I know this stuff is supposed to stay in the IR thread, but I wanted to get some feedback from F8500 owners. It's been a while since the 2013 models came out and I've already seen in person that the VT60 retains (hah) the 2012 Panasonic tendency to pick up lots of long-lasting IR. It's just a little less bright, so it doesn't happen as quickly.

What I'm wondering is if the F8500 inherited the IR resistance of the 2012 Samsung panels (E6500, 7000, 8000 in 60"+ sizes only). Those specific panels were extremely hard to generate long-term IR on. So has anyone who's had their panel for a while now experienced any stubborn IR? To clarify, I'm only talking about image retention that lasts for a while (longer than a few minutes) and is usually inverse (dark ghost of bright static image), not the residual charge IR that goes away within minutes (and is usually same luminance - bright ghost of bright image). I'm planning to go test an F8500 for IR at BB as soon as I can, but for now I'm looking for some anecdotal data.
post #803 of 5624
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^ no, but i may be overly cautious! altho i have had history chnl on for a 4 hours now, just checked and no traces of the 'H' logo...

edit... 6 hrs, no trace of logo ir
Edited by ljmart - 7/21/13 at 5:18pm
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I'm not wrong, but as the other poster said you should seek an answer that makes you happy elsewhere. You have some agenda other than sharing your experience as a F8500 owner, which is what this thread is about.

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_6.html

The Physics Factbook™
If it's registered on Facebook so it must be true ! dr Factbook can't be wrong
Deep color (30/36/48-bit)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48-bit_computing
http://www.colortrac.com/glossary/color/
Scanning in 48-bit color then reducing to 24-bit color or 8-bit color enhances the color fidelity of 24-bit color and 8-bit color images and improves shadow and highlight detail.
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I'm not wrong, but as the other poster said you should seek an answer that makes you happy elsewhere.
I did not ask your for your personal problems
If you do not know the answer don't answer
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The Physics Factbook™
If it's registered on Facebook so it must be true ! dr Factbook can't be wrong
Deep color (30/36/48-bit)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48-bit_computing
http://www.colortrac.com/glossary/color/
Scanning in 48-bit color then reducing to 24-bit color or 8-bit color enhances the color fidelity of 24-bit color and 8-bit color images and improves shadow and highlight detail.
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I'm not wrong, but as the other poster said you should seek an answer that makes you happy elsewhere.
I did not ask your for your personal problems
If you do not know the answer don't answer

Admitting you're wrong must be difficult. Deep color says nothing about what humans can perceive. There are lots of light wavelengths humans can't perceive and instruments that can detect them. Encoding scanned images at a color depth beyond our perception has nothing to do with TV color output or the number of colors we can see. Your own reference states that 48-bit is reduced to 24-bit or 8-bit. Nothing says humans can see billions of colors. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it a fact.

If you don't want answers by posters here, post somewhere else.
post #806 of 5624
Speaking of which, since our set supports x.v.Color, and new Blu-rays are finally being released with x.v.Color, has anyone given them a whirl?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1368009902
post #807 of 5624
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I have never seen any writings to suggest that the human eye can distinguish this many colors. The MOST I have seen is 10 million (which is 24 bits) but I have also seen numbers as low as 100,000 (which is 17 bits).
Hey, some people are color blind and see different shades of black only. There will always be variations of this. I do not think that I can see 10 million colors, maybe I should start counting biggrin.gif
post #808 of 5624
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Hey, some people are color blind and see different shades of black only. There will always be variations of this. I do not think that I can see 10 million colors, maybe I should start counting biggrin.gif

OK so I edited the post to make it clear the I have not seen 10 millions different colors.

And did you know that the form of color blindness you mentioned is perhaps the rarest type? Red/Green and Blue/Yellow are more common.
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Speaking of which, since our set supports x.v.Color, and new Blu-rays are finally being released with x.v.Color, has anyone given them a whirl?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1368009902

Where does it say the the f8500 supports X.V. Color???
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Originally Posted by cooknl View Post

Where does it say the the f8500 supports X.V. Color???

I'm not finding it on Samsung's site, but this extensive spec listing from Crutchfield says it does. Not sure how much faith to put in that.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mr58rKSGSbZ/App/Mobile/App/Produc/Item/Research.aspx?i=30564P8500

(click on the Details tab)

"All HDMI inputs support x.v.Color, Deep Color, 3D, and CEC"
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