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post #31 of 540
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Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Hey Brian,

I have been interested in the RW-12D for some time due to all the chatter regarding. So I picked one up for $278 and have been running it for a week now just to see how it stacks up to other options I have ran or do run. For $278 it is admittedly much more SW than what I was expecting. So I see how you have come to your conclusion. The last time I did this (bought a budget sub) was with the 1220 coming in at $200. I ran it for like 20 minutes and then gave it away.. it was that bad imo. To think I gave it to a friend too. biggrin.gif

Like mentioned in the many posts above, I can tell you there is a (big) difference in SQ, frequency response, roll-off.. on and on (I won’t mention what I have or have had). I don’t think the sub you mention would fair well against the 12D either. If it’s enough for you then that’s fine. In the end your opinion does not stand up to what us users that know from past and present experiences.

Well put Steve! The rw12 is indeed a rare exception!!
post #32 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Maybe I didnt mention clearly, but the intent of this thread is for the avergae joe's who just bought a 40 - 50 screen with one or two sofa or a plain old couch in a 15 x 15 to a 20 x 20 living room. If one is is in this situation (like most) than a $200 - $300 BIC or Klipsch subwoofer would be more than enough.

And I support your decision to replicate the above scenario. But, on the other hand, I support our personal decision to go with our current set of three subwoofers and when fiscally able, to upgrade our subwoofer system to a system that puts a smile on my face as it's about one's personal smile factor (emotional response) not someone else's idea of what we should be allowed to experience.

If you think all anybody needs, in order to fully appreciate a movie sound track is a single <$300.00 subwoofer, I support your decision to go that route but don't think for a moment, that attitude should apply to everybody else.

FWIW, one doesn't buy three or four subwoofers to go loud but instead, it's done to smooth out a room's acoustical response to reproduced subwoofer based sound waves. Subwoofer based sound waves don't play and get along well in a room together and subwoofer based sound waves act differently in a large room over that produced by a speaker system for the >120Hz frequencies.

Sound tracks are mixed with <20Hz content and one can't experience this type of content if their system is only capable of reproducing >30Hz or >40Hz content. The point, it's a personal call if one wants to replicate as much of the mixed sound track as reasonably possible and it's a person's free choice what subwoofer and how many subwoofers they choose to do this with. In the end, from all I've read and learned, in the case of subwoofers, it's all about the smile factor and the necessary Benjamins to make it all happen.

Just saying.
post #33 of 540
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I am not sure what you mean by Hi-Theatre experience. Perhaps IMAX? If you are, I prabably have been to Imax theatre 2 or 3 times in the past, and for the most part, It was the screen that created such experience, I thought the audio was about the same as normal theatre.

I am not trying to troll here, but rather, like many posters on this foryum that have helpmed me pick out a good system for the money, amd trying to do the same for the next person in line that might be in the same dilemma as me.

Personally speaking, after about 2 weeks of home theatre experience, I honestly think speakers are alot more important than the sub. I mean if you can afford it, go for it. However, if you are on a budget and trying to plus or minus between go back and forth between a better sub or a better speaker, IMHO its a no brainer that one should go for the speakers. The reasons why I mentioned above.

I am not quite sure what kind of different feel one would get from a higher end sub, I mean, like I mentioned above, I was at a demo room in HSU and ASCEND and they hooked up Rythmic and the most expensive Hsu sub while watching the movie. I think they both go for $1,000 +.

They played the LOTR in the demo room. In the beggining scene of the movie where the God of the evil side fights the good, and the very scene where he stomps his BIG sword on the ground creating a exploding aura (and the good sides soldiers flying everywhere due to the impact) the bass ws in full effect. I did notice a VERY slight difference. It was a little clean sounding, with the BIC that I have, it would have created a very tiny muffle of that very scene, everything else (maybe this is all there is) a normal ear would not be able to pick it up. The price difference, try $1000+.

Is it worth it? absolutely not. I'd rather spend that money on up-budgeting a pair of speakers, maybe from bookshelves to towers.


Through Wiki search, we find that subwoofers were only made for home theatre use. It wasnt even intended for a theatre use. However, we find that the bass heads somehow try to convince an avergae viewer who just wants a theatre experience to add a sub that is $1000+. If a home theatre goal is to get home audio use to sound more like a theatre, or an imax, (imax dont use much bass either)then where the irony in this?


Bass in only needed extensively for hip hop music. And that is only because the very foundation of hip hop deals with a PUNCH sound. In a movie viewing, this would translate to unneccessary and annoying big THUMP. Hip hop beats are repeated over and over, the same beats, movies dont have repeated beats over and over. Thus a motion sound.


Anyway, if you already bought a $1000+ sub and it floats your boat that perfectly fine.

This post was intended for the normal consumers who dosent just listen to hiphop and dont want to have the stress of trying to figure out how much to spend on a sub. My advice is never to spend more than $300 on a sub but rather invest on your speakers.

Some theatres do not even use a good subwoofer. The reason is, ofcourse, nobody wants to feel a thump on your chest when you come off from work and just want to see a movie relaxed, plus your furniture will rattle and annoy you.
post #34 of 540
Keep in mind Brian that most audio/visual "listening rooms" are usually fairly small and don't truly represent real world experiences with, as you mentioned, a 20 x 20 room.
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Originally Posted by Brian323 
I am not trying to troll here, but rather, like many posters on this foryum that have helpmed me pick out a good system for the money, amd trying to do the same for the next person in line that might be in the same dilemma as me.

This post was intended for the normal consumers who dosent just listen to hiphop and dont want to have the stress of trying to figure out how much to spend on a sub. My advice is never to spend more than $300 on a sub but rather invest on your speakers.

Looking at those two sentences I quoted, I find it quite interesting that you seem to be sooooo concerned with the welfare of others that you felt obliged to make it your clarion call, warning all others to beware the mighty subwoofer. eek.gif Maybe someday you will come into some disposable income and then maybe be able to experience what the rest of us have been trying to convey. Until then, enjoy your system cuz in the end that's really what it's all about.

Speaking of which...........I think it might be time for a movie. biggrin.gif
post #35 of 540
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

And I support your decision to replicate the above scenario. But, on the other hand, I support our personal decision to go with our current set of three subwoofers and when fiscally able, to upgrade our subwoofer system to a system that puts a smile on my face as it's about one's personal smile factor (emotional response) not someone else's idea of what we should be allowed to experience.

If you think all anybody needs, in order to fully appreciate a movie sound track is a single <$300.00 subwoofer, I support your decision to go that route but don't think for a moment, that attitude should apply to everybody else.

FWIW, one doesn't buy three or four subwoofers to go loud but instead, it's done to smooth out a room's acoustical response to reproduced subwoofer based sound waves. Subwoofer based sound waves don't play and get along well in a room together and subwoofer based sound waves act differently in a large room over that produced by a speaker system for the >120Hz frequencies.

Sound tracks are mixed with <20Hz content and one can't experience this type of content if their system is only capable of reproducing >30Hz or >40Hz content. The point, it's a personal call if one wants to replicate as much of the mixed sound track as reasonably possible and it's a person's free choice what subwoofer and how many subwoofers they choose to do this with. In the end, from all I've read and learned, in the case of subwoofers, it's all about the smile factor and the necessary Benjamins to make it all happen.

Just saying.



I agree with what you said here and I can definately visualize hearing it. This is what I was trying to get at. I was wondering if a better sub (or a more costing sub) would infact give you a better subwoofer sound waves at a mellow level. I found this NOT to be the case in the demo rooms. My BIC performed just as well a top of the line Hsu when it came down to bass thumps. (explosions,earthquake scenes etc)

If adding another subwoofer can infact do this for you, a mellowed out sub presense without the annoying big THUMP in movie scenes and without the annoying walls rattling etc, I'd definately go with 2 budget subs instead of 1 $1000 sub. As this may be the better way to go and the more "proper" way to set up your home theatre logically speaking. (because the low mellowed out subwoofer presence will keep you most importantly envoloped to the film)
Edited by Brian323 - 6/1/13 at 7:16pm
post #36 of 540
You don't remember the specific model of sub for the Hsu and Rythmik do you? Just curious. Also, at Ascend did you listen to any other speakers?

I think you just need convincing to save up for better speakers (a sub is just a speaker, too, they just have a specific job just as mains or surrounds do). smile.gif Once you get the taste there's no going back; if you can't appreciate the difference your wallet is safe. wink.gif

ps Some of the best setups are owned by average joes....some of the best beer I've ever had was brewed by average joes. Maybe you're just not average?
post #37 of 540
Im preaty sure the HSU is better then the BIC.
post #38 of 540
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I dont remember the specific model number but they were HUGE. It was about 3 times the size of my BIC H100.

listened to the Sierra Towers while I was at Ascend.
post #39 of 540
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Im preaty sure the HSU is better then the BIC.

Yes, the HSU IS better than the BIC. Was the performance of HSU worth $1,000 more than the BIC? absolutely not. By all means, I would give it maybe $20 more than the BIC. (Considering you would NOT need your subwoofer that is that powerful at home).
post #40 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Yes, the HSU IS better than the BIC. Was the performance of HSU worth $1,000 more than the BIC? absolutely not. By all means, I would give it maybe $20 more than the BIC. (Considering you would NOT need your subwoofer that is that powerful at home).
Its worth way more then the BIC, im not saying that sub is bad, but you gotta get what you can afford, i used to have 2 Klipsch RW-12D's, they were fantastic for the money, i wanted to upgrade as i wanted a sub to play lower and have more output, so i got a Epik Empire and another one later, they were much better in every way, now i got 2 PSA XV-30's wink.gif
post #41 of 540
Some people ears are different then others, my Wife cant tell the difference from each of the subs ive had.
post #42 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

I agree with what you said here and I can definately visualize hearing it. This is what I was trying to get at. I was wondering if a better sub (or a more costing sub) would infact give you a better low subwoofer sound waves (mellow sub presence) because I found this NOT to be the case in the demo rooms. My BIC performed just as well a top of the line Hsu.

If adding another subwoofer can infact do this for you, a mellowed out sub presense without the annoying big THUMP in movie scenes and without the annoying walls rattling etc, I'd definately go with 2 budget subs instead of 1 $1000 sub. As this may be the better way to go and the more "proper" way to set up your home theatre logically speaking.

Booms, bangs, thumps and bumps are all sound that's added to enhance a sound track in the sound room such as hitting pillows or watermelons with a baseball bat that we all know about. Along with a smooth room response, the subwoofer is suppose to sit in the background, unobtrusive to the ear, until called on to replicate the booms, bangs, thumps, clinks, clanks and explosions and do so at >96dB.....all of which needs to happen in a fraction of a second....."WHAM!" And then go away.

Being able to reproduce the lower, deep bass notes at "Reference Levels" is an achievement in of itself and to have large enough drivers and amplifiers to make this idea possible, costs a lot of money. Boys and the price of their toys. And then in one's home, with many listening positions, enters the need for several subwoofers, so everybody has the same listening experience.

To the right of the main listening position, is my wife's chair and her listening position measures +6dB louder than my position, so now we have to trade sitting positions because that's almost twice as loud for her and her hearing doesn't appreciate loud in the way I do. So, the net result, I have to put more effort into finding a way to smooth out the room's acoustical response to the output of our subwoofer system. Not every room is the same nor is every person the same as to what their expectation is of the Home Theater experience.

From the above it gets a bit enigmatic or esoteric as there's the visceral response to bass waves one can feel but not hear. There's the human response to lower base waves on the cusp of what one can feel/hear and then there's the bass waves one feels which is called "impact bass" in the >40Hz range which is what you seem to be referring to. All this is coupled with smoothing a room's response so as to achieve a flat graph so all frequencies are experienced equally. This, in of itself, is a challenge and then being able to reproduce the sound track as the sound engineer intended the track to be played back (THX standards), also presents a set of challenges.

In the above spirit, my recommendation to a neophyte would be for a 3,500 cu ft room, that opens to other rooms, would be to buy three $800.00 subwoofers and to take the time to acquire room measuring capability and learn how to integrate these three subwoofers into the acoustics of one's listening venue. In my opinion, excellent advice but not very practical as the neophyte doesn't know/understand the why behind the sage advice. So the advice morphs into a pared back version, start with one subwoofer if able in the $500.00 to $800.00 range, acquire room measuring capability, learn what they can and then purchase additional subwoofers as funds become available.

If it helps, the recommendation can be pared back further to a $300.00 subwoofer and maintain the recommendation of acquiring room measuring capability so one can learn how to properly integrate their subwoofer system into their sound system. A subwoofer system is separate from a sound system, just as tires are a separate system to an automobile but still a part of the whole. But, one needs to understand that in paring the recommendation back, the intent and purpose of a subwoofer system suffers accordingly.

Hope the above (long) ramblings make sense as I'm not trying to change your opinion but instead, if you're not already on to the above, I'm trying to along with others, share the why of it all.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 6/1/13 at 7:50pm
post #43 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post


I am not trying to troll here


Through Wiki search, we find that subwoofers were only made for home theatre use. It wasnt even intended for a theatre use.


Bass in only needed extensively for hip hop music.


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Lol
post #45 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Maybe I didnt mention clearly, but the intent of this thread is for the avergae joe's who just bought a 40 - 50 screen with one or two sofa or a plain old couch in a 15 x 15 to a 20 x 20 living room. If one is is in this situation (like most) than a $200 - $300 BIC or Klipsch subwoofer would be more than enough.

You're going to laugh at me for over spending then cause my room is 14x18 and I have an orbit shifter on the way. frown.gif
post #46 of 540
Ha ha! LOL


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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

You're going to laugh at me for over spending then cause my room is 14x18 and I have an orbit shifter on the way. frown.gif

OH BOY did you ever get doopet! smile.gif

Not true, just playin..
Edited by steve nn - 6/2/13 at 4:37am
post #47 of 540
Reasons to spend more are as follows:
Extension: Earthquakes and thunder for example contain notes deeper than your Bic could ever hope to produce at the same spl it is capable of producing higher notes at. Extension is necessary to accurately convey those situations in many films at even moderate listening volumes.
You may even run into situations where there is more bass below human hearing than above. An earthquake in the distance could be a possible example of that.
Music contains these notes as well, and no not necessarily rap music. Classical music, pipe organs, etc.

Linearity: Many cheaper subs not only have poorer response but also have far more output capability at higher bass frequencies than they do at lower bass frequencies. A flat response is ideal for best sound quality, avoiding "boominess".

There are other reasons but those are 2 of the very important ones pertaining to sound quality.

Your original point that many average joes are content with sub 300$ subs sounds about right to me.

However if you are trying to make the point that there is no benefit to be had from a more expensive subwoofer other than spl in a medium to large room, you have already been proven wrong many posts ago.

The cheapest way to find out what infrasonic bass is really like would be to grab a 15"-18" Dayton sub driver from parts express and build a large sealed or low tune ported sonotube sub. If you can't tell the difference after that with home theater content then ignorance is bliss biggrin.gif
post #48 of 540
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The cheapest way to find out what infrasonic bass is really like would be to grab a 15"-18" Dayton sub driver from parts express and build a large sealed or low tune ported sonotube sub. If you can't tell the difference after that with home theater content then ignorance is bliss


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post #49 of 540
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Originally Posted by Mik James View Post

Reasons to spend more are as follows:
Extension: Earthquakes and thunder for example contain notes deeper than your Bic could ever hope to produce at the same spl it is capable of producing higher notes at. Extension is necessary to accurately convey those situations in many films at even moderate listening volumes.
You may even run into situations where there is more bass below human hearing than above. An earthquake in the distance could be a possible example of that.
Music contains these notes as well, and no not necessarily rap music. Classical music, pipe organs, etc.

Linearity: Many cheaper subs not only have poorer response but also have far more output capability at higher bass frequencies than they do at lower bass frequencies. A flat response is ideal for best sound quality, avoiding "boominess".

There are other reasons but those are 2 of the very important ones pertaining to sound quality.

Your original point that many average joes are content with sub 300$ subs sounds about right to me.

However if you are trying to make the point that there is no benefit to be had from a more expensive subwoofer other than spl in a medium to large room, you have already been proven wrong many posts ago.

The cheapest way to find out what infrasonic bass is really like would be to grab a 15"-18" Dayton sub driver from parts express and build a large sealed or low tune ported sonotube sub. If you can't tell the difference after that with home theater content then ignorance is bliss biggrin.gif




How many times do you watch a film contaiing earthquakes and thunder? Maybe a couple flicks. At the price to hear an accurate thunder and earthquake for $1000+? NOT a smart shopper.

You dont need a $1000+ sub-woofer to hear an accurate detail of an earthquake or a thunder, a thunder is a thunder, its just a rumble, thats all there is. Even real life thunder sounds different at all times, therefore you will never get an accurate sound of an earthquake or a thunder, however, from this post, you will accuraelty hear ONE particular sound of a thunder the movie makers intended to put in there. Will you really spend $1000+ to hear an accurate RUMBLING sound? I wouldn't. Again, I woulod rather spend the money on a good center channel which is about %70-80 of your home theatre experience.

However, one thing Iearned through this thread is that I should have bought 2x $200 subwoofer than 1x $400 subwoofer. (considering the $200 subwoofer is an well reviewed subwoofer.)
Edited by Brian323 - 6/2/13 at 12:18am
post #50 of 540
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How many times do you watch a film contaiing earthquakes and thunder? Maybe a couple flicks. At the price to hear an accurate thunder and earthquake for $1000+? NOT a smart shopper.

You dont need a $1000+ sub-woofer to hear an accurate detail of an earthquake or a thunder, a thunder is a thunder, its just a rumble, thats all there is. Even real life thunder sounds different at all times, therefore you will never get an accurate sound of an earthquake or a thunder, however, from this post, you will accuraelty hear ONE particular sound of a thunder the movie makers intended to put in there. Will you really spend $1000+ to hear an accurate RUMBLING sound? I wouldn't. Again, I woulod rather spend the money on a good center channel which is about %70-80 of your home theatre experience.

However, one thing Iearned through this thread is that I should have bought 2x $200 subwoofer than 1x $400 subwoofer. (considering the $200 subwoofer is an well reviewed subwoofer.)

One never knows when a special effects is going be called on to be replicated in a movie as most special effects are in fact fake and have been created in a sound studio and added to the sound track and who's content doesn't exist in the real world. Each movie has it's own sound track and it's not about being smart, it's about satisfying what the want of a subwoofer hobbyist so as to satisfy their need for deep bass. It's not about you or me but instead is about what the other person wants and nobody makes anybody do anything. Every hobby has this side to it.

Nobody but a professional "needs" to fish. One is farming, a professional vocation (aside from being a money making job), which helps feed the world's burgeoning population yet every year, people spend serious money going to exotic locations to fish when they have no want for food.

As to a willingness to spend, we have three subwoofers. Two are upgraded subwoofers where I replaced the drivers. I've taken the time to acquire room measuring capability and am finding the best way to get as flat of a room response as rationally possible as I don't want to use room treatments. There's nothing inexpensive about six or eight inch thick, quality minded, bass traps. We added a third subwoofer and a room equalizer above and beyond that of Audyssey, MultEQ XT that came with the amplifier. I've spent around $1,200.00 and all I'm doing is experimenting so as to raise my awareness as to what it's all about.

About six months ago, I purchased a five pound box of fiber-fill to stuff a couple of our subwoofer cabinets to see how doing so would affect the output of the two subwoofers which were in serious need of being stuffed. Doing so dropped the measured output by four Hz from 28Hz to 24Hz. For a subwoofer, this is a major, measured or if you will, an empirical improvement. It's a hobby. Something to do with my time and to give my mind a toy to play with to keep life interesting.

From this point, experience has shown me that stepping up and replacing our existing subwoofers with $750.00/ea subwoofers, will enhance the subwoofer experience. The point, it's a journey, not a destination. It's a hobby. It's entertainment just like posting on internet forums is a form of entertainment for regular posters.

Nobody needs a fast car, expensive jewelry or a big house but hey, if that's where someone can afford to park their subwoofer, I'm happy for them.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 6/2/13 at 6:12am
post #51 of 540
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Originally Posted by Joshjp View Post

Some people ears are different then others, my Wife cant tell the difference from each of the subs ive had.

I hate it when that happens. tongue.gif
post #52 of 540
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You dont need a $1000+ sub-woofer to hear an accurate detail of an earthquake or a thunder, a thunder is a thunder, its just a rumble, thats all there is. Even real life thunder sounds different at all times, therefore you will never get an accurate sound of an earthquake or a thunder, however, from this post, you will accuraelty hear ONE particular sound of a thunder the movie makers intended to put in there. Will you really spend $1000+ to hear an accurate RUMBLING sound? I wouldn't.

As long as I can afford it I sure would. Having good extension and a sub/s that produce all the tones the mixer intended makes a huge difference over what your suggesting. (Basically a one note under achiever boomer) If it works for you, well then so be it!
post #53 of 540
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

How many times do you watch a film contaiing earthquakes and thunder? Maybe a couple flicks. At the price to hear an accurate thunder and earthquake for $1000+? NOT a smart shopper.

You dont need a $1000+ sub-woofer to hear an accurate detail of an earthquake or a thunder, a thunder is a thunder, its just a rumble, thats all there is. Even real life thunder sounds different at all times, therefore you will never get an accurate sound of an earthquake or a thunder, however, from this post, you will accuraelty hear ONE particular sound of a thunder the movie makers intended to put in there. Will you really spend $1000+ to hear an accurate RUMBLING sound? I wouldn't. Again, I woulod rather spend the money on a good center channel which is about %70-80 of your home theatre experience.

However, one thing Iearned through this thread is that I should have bought 2x $200 subwoofer than 1x $400 subwoofer. (considering the $200 subwoofer is an well reviewed subwoofer.)
Yesterday I was feeling a bit of sympathy for you Brian. But today, your continued insistence that we are wasting our money is starting to get a little old and long in the tooth. I mean seriously, what difference does it make to YOU whether someone else goes out and spends gobs of money on, in your opinion, "useless" subwoofers.

With this in mind I have come to the conclusion that;

1) You are suffering a major case of envy and are fiscally unable to satisfy the urge to improve your system. So instead, you somehow justify this inability to improve by proclaiming that those of us who have high quality stuff are somehow stupid for spending that kind of money. Does it make you feel better?

2) I don't like throwing this description around but maybe sickboy013 was accurate when he labeled you a troll. Why else would you be spending soooooo much time trying to convince us, on a subwoofer forum of all places that we're somehow stupid for spending money on quality subwoofers.

3) You haven't actually ever tasted the good stuff and therefore know nothing of what you speak. Yet, armed with your lack of knowledge you seem to think it important to inform the rest of us how ignorant and stupid we are for thinking we can hear a difference. Again, sounds like trolling to me.

They have a place on this planet where your kind of mindset is accepted by the masses. Where everyone is on an equal footing, no-one better, no-one worse....... everyone gets the same stuff. It's called North Korea.

I've wasted enough time on this thread. Enjoy your BIC.
Edited by Torqdog - 6/2/13 at 7:02am
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Where everyone is on an equal footing, no-one better, no-one worse....... everyone gets the same stuff. It's called North Korea.
Not quite. The ruling elite and military brass there probably have big subs. Everyone else, earbuds. rolleyes.gif
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And the earbuds the general populace is allowed to have, are state sponsored earbuds, manufactured by Kim's buddies.
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

"subwoofers is really about ADDING to the sound. The very loud HUM that gets you envoloped."

"If walls shake and windows rattle, its going against the very goal of home theatre"

"My advice to all average Joe home theatre shoppers is to never spend more than $250.00 on a sub."

"you are going to pay $600 more dollars to alternate a little low end muffle that is existent in maybe 1- 2% throughout the whole movie?"

"Bass in only needed extensively for hip hop music. And that is only because the very foundation of hip hop deals with a PUNCH sound. In a movie viewing, this would translate to unneccessary and annoying big THUMP."

"nobody wants to feel a thump on your chest when you come off from work and just want to see a movie relaxed, plus your furniture will rattle and annoy you."

"My BIC performed just as well a top of the line Hsu when it came down to bass thumps."

"Was the performance of HSU worth $1,000 more than the BIC? absolutely not. By all means, I would give it maybe $20 more than the BIC. (Considering you would NOT need your subwoofer that is that powerful at home)."

"How many times do you watch a film contaiing earthquakes and thunder? Maybe a couple flicks. At the price to hear an accurate thunder and earthquake for $1000+? NOT a smart shopper."

"I woulod rather spend the money on a good center channel which is about %70-80 of your home theatre experience."

Your logic is sound. My Funk Audio & Velodyne subs are now on Craigslist and a BIC H-100 is on the way.

I wonder whether my current center channel (Paradigm Signature C5) may have been a poor choice as well. I'm starting to think that Paradigm over-priced this speaker by installing expensive tweaters. Since tweaters are designed to reproduce screeching sounds and less expensive speakers can do that too, should I put the C5 up for sale? What are your thoughts? I don't want to come home from work just to be annoyed by screeching...

Can't wait to hear the bass thumps from War of the Worlds on my new gear! rolleyes.gif
Edited by henrich3 - 6/2/13 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

About six months ago, I purchased a five pound box of fiber-fill to stuff a couple of our subwoofer cabinets to see how doing so would affect the output of the two subwoofers which were in serious need of being stuffed. Doing so dropped the measured output by four Hz from 28Hz to 24Hz.

I was wondering how that experiment would work out. I may try it, myself. Thanks.

I just ordered a Buttkicker. I'll let you know how that works for me.

Brian, you might be interested in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts

Or not.

Michael

post #58 of 540
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

Your logic is sound. My Funk Audio & Velodyne subs are now on Craigslist and a BIC H-100 is on the way.

I wonder whether my current center channel (Paradigm Signature C5) may have been a poor choice as well. I'm starting to think that Paradigm over-priced this speaker by installing expensive tweaters.

Was this conclusion before or after listening to a Klipsch, RC-64 II? eek.gif

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That has to be sweet sounding but for Home Theater use, can it keep up with 99dB sensitivity? cool.gif



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Edited by BeeMan458 - 6/2/13 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I just ordered a Buttkicker. I'll let you know how that works for me.

I've checked out the buttkickers but it seems one has to wire each seating position, one for the love seat and one for the recliner and the good ones are in the $350.00 - $450.00 range. Due to the cost of a pair of quality, wireless Buttkickers, there has to be a lot of performance enhancement for us to go there as that's the price of an additional PSA, XS15.
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I hate it when that happens. tongue.gif
LOL yea (Women).biggrin.gif
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