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post #121 of 500
SC-1222 uses Class D amps which will be more powerful and run cooler than the Class AB amps in the 1123.

SC-1222 MSRP is $1100, basically an Elite SC-61 I believe.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/SC-1222-K

VSX-1123 is $599
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1123-K

SC-1222 is about 10lbs heavier and the amp section is rated to handle 4 ohm loads.

VSX-1123 is newer and has 8 HDMI inputs and 2 outputs. SC-1222 7 inputs and one HDMI output.
post #122 of 500
!!!Just bought them on Newegg.com!!!

Pioneer 7.2 Channel AV Receiver, VSX-1123-K @$399
Pioneer SW-8MK2 Andrew Jones Designed 100-Watt Powered Subwoofer @$79

Yeah, I'm so budget limited that I didn't buy any other speakers yet.
Hurry, guys~~ Don't miss these deals.

Any suggestion on speakers? (I'm considering some, for example JBL es30, Audioengine P4, to settle 2.1 first.)
post #123 of 500
I've been reading that subs don't sound as well or dig as deep with the 1222(or maybe it's just MCACC in general). Can anyone chime in on this please?
post #124 of 500
Depends on your thinking as "deep" The 1223-K does just fine with my VTF-3 MK4. Some have found you need to "cheat" a bit when calibrating any pioneer receiver, if you are not satisfied with the base. I've seen that discussed often on the forum now and then. Dunno about the 1222 in particular, however.
post #125 of 500
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

I've been reading that subs don't sound as well or dig as deep with the 1222(or maybe it's just MCACC in general). Can anyone chime in on this please?

If you look over at the MCACC thread a current "cheat" is to increase the Sub Trim level by 3 db, some swear by it, I hardly noticed the difference.
I can also guarantee that most people that complain about not digging deep are not playing with the settings to get the sound they desire.
post #126 of 500
Hmmm it just seems weird to have to do something like this for the money you pay for both the receiver and the sub. I was sold on the Pioneer AVR's but now i'm not so sure. I want the best bass and quality I can get out of my sub and it sounds a little hazy if these Pioneer's can do that.
post #127 of 500
The Pioneer can do anything you will it to, just like when you buy a TV you need to optimize the performance.
On a TV that would equate to adjusting the colours, sharpness, brigtness, etc.
With your receiver you will need to do the same adjustments with your audio.
Having owned a Harman Kardon and now Pioneer, the Pioneer sound options and adjustments dwarf those of the HK.
You can fine tune your audio to however you would like it.
post #128 of 500
But how easy is it. For me if I do too much tweaking then the sound difference gets all jumbled together and I can't really tell a difference unless it's glaringly obvious.
post #129 of 500
How difficult is it?
I don't know, that all depends on your level of expertise and your willingness to read a little.

Initially you would want to run the Advanced MCACC in your room, then copy the results to the other save slots, 5 of them.
This way if you screw something up you can later overwrite the screwed up settings with one of the other saved ones.
You don't have to change anything after running MCACC, you might like what it sounds like.
However reading AVS the majority of people make a few changes to their setup such as, setting all speakers to Small in turn letting the Sub handle all the lows.
Moving the Xover frequency between 80Hz - 120Hz, sounds over 80Hz become directional.
Then the mentioned addition of +3 db to the Sub Trim level.
post #130 of 500
This is in reply to post #6. Regarding display, detection of signal and output.

I think I have the same issue. My last receiver was a Sony, and when it detected a Dolby True signal, it really lit up. The Pioneer doesn't seem to show anything different on the display. In fact, all I see on the display is left and right speakers playing. You can toggle through different sound effects but on Blue Ray discs with a rich sound, nothing but L and R show up as playing
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Sounds great, so I hope this is just a setting or set up issue. I read a review the other day that said HDMI cables are directional and you have to know which one is input or output. What??
Edited by avnoviceat57 - 8/8/13 at 11:04am
post #131 of 500
Only HDMI cables with amps built in are directional. These are usually longer lengths.
post #132 of 500
I cant get HDMI CEC to work on this new receiver. Worked fine on the old HDMI receiver. Everything is turned on and I followed the instructions. The TV will not turn on/off the receiver or adjust the volume from the TV remote.
post #133 of 500
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Originally Posted by avnoviceat57 View Post

This is in reply to post #6. Regarding display, detection of signal and output.

I think I have the same issue. My last receiver was a Sony, and when it detected a Dolby True signal, it really lit up. The Pioneer doesn't seem to show anything different on the display. In fact, all I see on the display is left and right speakers playing. You can toggle through different sound effects but on Blue Ray discs with a rich sound, nothing but L and R show up as playing
.
Sounds great, so I hope this is just a setting or set up issue. I read a review the other day that said HDMI cables are directional and you have to know which one is input or output. What??

Yoiu should see the signal type on your front display, True HD, DTS, PCM, Stereo, etc.
post #134 of 500
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Originally Posted by yungmike513 View Post

I cant get HDMI CEC to work on this new receiver. Worked fine on the old HDMI receiver. Everything is turned on and I followed the instructions. The TV will not turn on/off the receiver or adjust the volume from the TV remote.

I find the CEC on LG TV's is less then stellar and a pain to set up.
I can't really tell if it is the TV or the Receiver though.
I could set up my Samsung and test that theory.
post #135 of 500
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Originally Posted by Exist_To_Resist View Post

How difficult is it?
I don't know, that all depends on your level of expertise and your willingness to read a little.

Initially you would want to run the Advanced MCACC in your room, then copy the results to the other save slots, 5 of them.
This way if you screw something up you can later overwrite the screwed up settings with one of the other saved ones.
You don't have to change anything after running MCACC, you might like what it sounds like.
However reading AVS the majority of people make a few changes to their setup such as, setting all speakers to Small in turn letting the Sub handle all the lows.
Moving the Xover frequency between 80Hz - 120Hz, sounds over 80Hz become directional.
Then the mentioned addition of +3 db to the Sub Trim level.
Does that mean if the receiver set the subwoofer to -5 it should go to -2, or -8?
post #136 of 500
-5 + 3 = -2 wink.gif
post #137 of 500
Thanks smile.gif This whole db scale thing I am beginning to finally get.
post #138 of 500
There is a new FW out for the receiver. I just updated today via internet update in the menu.

Release date 06-14-2013
Ver 1-134-020-016-085
- Control 4 update
- Improve the stability of HDMI connection.

EDIT:
It seems that the new firmware update fixed my issues with ARC, now it works like a champ with my LG TV.
Edited by Exist_To_Resist - 8/19/13 at 2:01pm
post #139 of 500
A review here for those that missed it:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-vsx-1123-av-receiver

The review contains some information on pio product differences and relevance. It also mentions a few adjustments for the kind of material you are listening to. This unit replaced a digital amp that was out of date feature-wise and I can confirm what was mentioned. It has that "pioneer" sound.
Edited by ColdCase - 8/18/13 at 7:04am
post #140 of 500
Here's another, not as comprehensive but informative. http://nerddrivel.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/pioneer-vsx-1123-k/
post #141 of 500
I have 1123k hooked up to my new Sharp tv model #LC70LE650U. The tv has a film mode that you can do a manual adjust for the de-judder settings. I have the pioneer receiver set to "off" for any video conversion. The problem that I'm running into when I set the tv to the advanced film mode and manually adjust the de-judder I see quick flashes of white light on the top 1/3 of the tv. They usually flash across the length of the tv and are about 1 inch thick. They occur on full screen movies or letterbox ones. This happens from all sources from ranging from Apple TV, Charter cable box or PS3. I don't believe it is the tv because I can bypass the receiver connecting the components directly to the tv with no problem. All HDMI cables have been switched out so I do not believe that is the problem as they have all worked fine hooked directly to the tv. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas I've emailed tech support too.
post #142 of 500
You should be running the latest firmware on your receiver, if you haven't done so yet update the firmware on it by connecting it to your home network or downloading the FW from Pioneer.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-1123-K?tab=firmware

Other than that I'm not sure what you can do except for contacting support.
Also I know that someone mentioned that the Pioneer does have a problem with RGB content when processing is set to off.
Quote:
So it seem the problem only manifest itself with RGB content (limited, or 16-235 in other terms) when video conversion is set to off.
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post #143 of 500
You should be able to select the same INPUTS for both zone 1 and zone 2. If you want to play the same audio to both zones, make sure both inputs are set to the same device. Hope that helps
post #144 of 500
I recently purchased 2 VSX-1132-K receivers. I use one for general TV watching on the first floor of my home and hte second for HT projector viewing in my basement. I bought these to replace two Onkyo TX-NR609s. I had a rocketfish HDMI splitter that bit the dust and when it did it fried the HDMI inputs on my onkyos and one of the HDMI inputs on my epson 8350 projector. Anyway, I got the 1132 because it was readily available at my local best buy and it had 2 HDMI outs so I didnt need another p.o.s. spliter to damage equipment. I think these receivers are great for the most part, I found setup to be relatively easy and the video/sound quality is as good as I expected. My qualm is that "pass-through" is not pass through on these receivers. I have my cable box hooked up to 1132 #1 and have 1132 #2 hooked up to the HDMI out 2 of 1132 #1, this way I can have access to my cable box in either room without having to move it around. I'm using this in one room or the other but not both at the same time. The problem is that the 1132s only "pass-through" 2.0 audio which is not pass-through. This is a relatively minor drawback as I do not watch much TV in the theater room and what I do watch are usually PPV fights that dont have to be in 5.1 or 7.1 to be enjoyed but none the less this is a drawback. If you're going to advertise something as "pass-through" it should be passed through as the original signal. So if you plan to daisy chain receivers to use one device in multiple zones take note that you will only get 2.0 sound. This was confirmed via email from Pioneer support.
post #145 of 500
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Originally Posted by jrcraft View Post

You should be able to select the same INPUTS for both zone 1 and zone 2. If you want to play the same audio to both zones, make sure both inputs are set to the same device. Hope that helps

I`m aware of the ZONE2 and HDZONE functionality. What someone stated was that the TV doesn't pass through 5.1, which I'll be testing tonight.
post #146 of 500
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Originally Posted by GOHOINC View Post

I recently purchased 2 VSX-1132-K receivers. I use one for general TV watching on the first floor of my home and hte second for HT projector viewing in my basement. I bought these to replace two Onkyo TX-NR609s. I had a rocketfish HDMI splitter that bit the dust and when it did it fried the HDMI inputs on my onkyos and one of the HDMI inputs on my epson 8350 projector. Anyway, I got the 1132 because it was readily available at my local best buy and it had 2 HDMI outs so I didnt need another p.o.s. spliter to damage equipment. I think these receivers are great for the most part, I found setup to be relatively easy and the video/sound quality is as good as I expected. My qualm is that "pass-through" is not pass through on these receivers. I have my cable box hooked up to 1132 #1 and have 1132 #2 hooked up to the HDMI out 2 of 1132 #1, this way I can have access to my cable box in either room without having to move it around. I'm using this in one room or the other but not both at the same time. The problem is that the 1132s only "pass-through" 2.0 audio which is not pass-through. This is a relatively minor drawback as I do not watch much TV in the theater room and what I do watch are usually PPV fights that dont have to be in 5.1 or 7.1 to be enjoyed but none the less this is a drawback. If you're going to advertise something as "pass-through" it should be passed through as the original signal. So if you plan to daisy chain receivers to use one device in multiple zones take note that you will only get 2.0 sound. This was confirmed via email from Pioneer support.

This is correct for the HDZONE the receiver will only do 2.0, it will however pass through any VIdeo/Audio signal you throw at it in the main zone.
For instance you can turn your receiver off and it will passthrough the last source that was selected.
post #147 of 500
I set up my rcvr using AVnavigator on an iPAD. I now want to add another HDMI component and would like to set it up so I can name it i.e. XBOX. I don't want to run through AV navigator again because I don't remember how my other components are set up(analog/digital/hdmi). Is there a way to set it up so I can dial it in on the front selector knob and have it named using the front panel or remote?

Thanks,
df
post #148 of 500
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Originally Posted by dferrell858 View Post

I set up my rcvr using AVnavigator on an iPAD. I now want to add another HDMI component and would like to set it up so I can name it i.e. XBOX. I don't want to run through AV navigator again because I don't remember how my other components are set up(analog/digital/hdmi). Is there a way to set it up so I can dial it in on the front selector knob and have it named using the front panel or remote?

Thanks,
df

Yes, but I don't recall which setting menu the name set is in. I've been using Pioneer's iPad app where its pretty obvious.
post #149 of 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dferrell858 View Post

I set up my rcvr using AVnavigator on an iPAD. I now want to add another HDMI component and would like to set it up so I can name it i.e. XBOX. I don't want to run through AV navigator again because I don't remember how my other components are set up(analog/digital/hdmi). Is there a way to set it up so I can dial it in on the front selector knob and have it named using the front panel or remote?

Thanks,
df

Yes, you can rename the source and assign HDMI inputs in the Input Setup menu.
See pg37 and pg38 of the manual.


post #150 of 500
I recently upgraded my system with a new TV - the Panasonic TC-P60ST60 - and the Pioneer VSX-1123K. I'm very happy with the performance of both, but am struggling with the ARC feature. I'd like to use the access to Netflix and other streaming services which are built-in to the Panasonic TV. To do that, and get the audio from those apps to play through my speakers, I need to use the Audio Return Channel to send audio back through the HDMI input from my receiver. This works great - my Pioneer gets the signal, switches to the TV input and all is beautiful in Home Theater land.

The problem is, for that to work I must allow the receiver to be controlled by HDMI. If I disable that, ARC no longer works. With that enabled, every time the TV turns on, it sends a power toggle signal to the receiver, which is already on, and that turns it off. Since I use a Harmony 600 remote to turn everything on, the receiver turns on, then the TV, then the receiver turns off. I hit the Help button on the remote, which turns the receiver back on.

So yes, that works, but it's more than a pain, and my family is not crazy about doing all those steps just to watch TV, not to mention how much I may be shortening the life of my receiver by turning it on and off twice every time... Is there anything I can do to remedy this situation?
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