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post #31 of 135
Very enjoyable movie. The storyline is somewhat weak and there are some silly plot contrievances, but the visuals and the music make it an impressive experience nonetheless. After the first viewing, you can actually watch this movie without the dialog and sound effects (using the isolated score) without being bored. tongue.gif Excellent video and audio quality too. Get the Best Buy exclusive with the bonus disc if you can, the featurettes are quite interesting.
post #32 of 135
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Originally Posted by Big Brad View Post

Loved the sound design and soundtrack as well, and I never felt there was bass just to have bass. Very even mix.

I understand that the movie isn't for everyone, though some people in this thread just like to thread-crap lately.

I think I would agree that the sound design did not reflect a bass for bass' sake orientation or objective, but at least in this particular case, I feel I am not inclined to denegrate nor disparage this effort for that aspect. The low end that is there is so powerful, so nuanced, and "correct", I think it can be forgiven that these movie makers did not seem to focus in on it to exclusion. And so the mix does end up pretty "even handed" in pursuit of its brand of audio excellence -- but if the track sits right there at the top of the food chain, I'll gladly overlook that the LFE subsided here and there.

While I'm at it, something I posted over at reviews:

This was GOLD. PURE GOLD. The new gold standard. This is a meticulously crafted, supremely well thought-out film, with evocative visuals and a virtually unmatched reference demo soundtrack. Possibly the best use of LFE I've ever heard -- there is a reality, a rightness, a depth, spacial accuracy, and authority to this presentation that has few, if any, peers. The story unfolded with rare intuitiveness of pacing -- measured sequences of beguiling perplexity were punctuated with awe-inspiring vistas, stellar production values and lavish visual effects, but just as one might begin to question whether some critical plot point had been missed in all that sensory delight, intriguing revelations manifested at just the correct moment to coil into your field of focus and sustain a fascination with the central mysteries.

Just a personal note on M83 -- I watch a good deal of TV, always watch Leno and Fallon, through the years awards shows here and there, reality TV results shows. Seen alot of bands and musical acts present their stuff on TV. It is not for me. I always fast forward through the acts at the end of talk shows, or in any of these venues-- or give a literal two or three seconds to -- whether the act is known or unknown to me. So much of whatever it is, or is trying to be, fits into such numbing predictability that it has just about zero interest for me. Also too, even if it were worthy, to listen to music on TV speakers is just not the way of doing it justice. BUT one night Carson Daly featured M83 doing a song known as STEVE MCQUEEN -- never heard of them, never heard the song, but this one I stuck around for and not only listened to, but was extraordinarily moved by, then somewhat obsessed by. This was a very rare experience indeed. I tucked the band and song away, later looked the song up, and never forgot that emotional impact, the band or that song and was happy to see them on another excellent film track to THE ART OF FLIGHT.

Now this isolated track. Watched the movie first, and at the end was the title song. Had the film playing at -13.5 volume -- my standard listening level. For the song, jacked it up to pure zero. Then came the MENU again, and it showed the isolated track. Brought volume back down to -13.5 and started in -- now here was the track elevated to just as loud as the end song at zero! SWEEEET! This was full-force purity and ultra-dynamic domination of my listening space -- I might have paid my twenty dollars for this music alone, but you get to buy it with the movie and get to watch all the pretty pictures while the music alternately seduces, agitates, even batters you with thick LOW END. Such a fantastic added value extra. I must tell you that on the spot I spent another two hours with this movie watching it this way, and before the weekend is out, may very well listen to the commentary.


GOLD. PURE GOLD.
post #33 of 135
Great home theater movie...the isolated True HD score had audio drops all over the place on my Pioneer 150 but played fine on my Panasonic BD50...Otherwise fantastic
post #34 of 135
Very well done movie. The A/V was simply spectacular. Purchased as a blind buy. Have no regrets
post #35 of 135
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

Great home theater movie...the isolated True HD score had audio drops all over the place on my Pioneer 150 but played fine on my Panasonic BD50...Otherwise fantastic

I have viewed the Dolby TrueHD score a couple of times on my Pioneer Elite BDP-62 and did not have any drops.
post #36 of 135
Watch this one again yesterday and enjoyed it even more than the first time around. Having Olga Kurylenko and Andrea Riseborough on the screen didn't hurt anything, either. smile.gif
post #37 of 135
Too bad the story itself wasn't as meticulously crafted as the visuals and surround mix. I don't know about any of you, but I need more than just a pretty picture and great sound (demo material) to keep me involved.
post #38 of 135
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Too bad the story itself wasn't as meticulously crafted as the visuals and surround mix. I don't know about any of you, but I need more than just a pretty picture and great sound (demo material) to keep me involved.
Does that mean no music for you? -- no time spent involved with just a musical presentation, perhaps with lights low and extraneous stimuli to a minimum? I confess I don't do a great deal of that myself anymore, but when it comes to movie sound, for myself, it takes very little else to keep me thoroughly engrossed. So much so, that details of plot and character often completely escape me in the aftermath of "watching" something -- I'm mostly paying attention to the way it sounds. Great visuals are a plus of course, but much down the line are elements of story, plot, character, etc. -- I could almost do without them altogether.

But in any event, I find myself curious that you did not find this story well-crafted. I think many would disagree -- this is essentially the same story as we've seen quite a few times. This film follows upon the tradition of so many other films -- MOON, SOLARIS, even WALL-E, to name just a few. So just taken by itself, to keep reintroducing this material with new variants and refinements, seems to suggest that these themes and/or story, if you will, resonate(s) powerfully with filmmakers and moviegoers alike. Again, for myself, I find that familiarity with thematic content may lend itself to a deeper appreciation of structure, artifice, character development -- the craft of movie making -- when you've seen how it was handled by others, or even the same auteur -- structure and craft then tend to be highlighted.

A visual artist may paint many variations of a self portrait, so too might a certain theme such as THE TEMPTATION OF SAINT ANTHONY be found providing inspiration to many diverse artists through many centuries. I tend to be a great fan of things reimagined, but that is not everyone, I understand. Perhaps the very fact that this effort strikes me as a highly refined pastiche of other films, lays bare the craft of its making in a way that might not be appreciated in something more experimental or "ground breaking", or avant garde -- in much the same way as an abstract painting can cloak the challenge of producing it in the elusiveness of its objective, whereas one might more easily appreciate the craft of painting to see revealed how liquid pigment gets manipulated to represent existing light and form -- knowing or seeing what the subject was.

But perhaps you don't see this film as following any tradition -- just thought the story failed for whatever reason, but I'd be interested to know what you identify those reasons to be....
post #39 of 135
What Emaych said! tongue.gif

Dan, being a 5.1 music addict, what did you think of the isolated score? To me this was worth the price of the disc alone! cool.gif

Unlike you though I also enjoyed the movie itself and look forward to repeat viewings.
post #40 of 135
Considering this as a blind buy...but, just curious, for those who made a trip to the theater this weekend...Elysium or Obivion? Seem like similar tales, any thoughts on which is the more all around solid movie? Thanks for any input.
post #41 of 135
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Originally Posted by Schils View Post

Considering this as a blind buy...but, just curious, for those who made a trip to the theater this weekend...Elysium or Obivion? Seem like similar tales, any thoughts on which is the more all around solid movie? Thanks for any input.

Oblivion, without question IMHO. Elysium requires most viewers to park their brain outside of the theater.
post #42 of 135
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Originally Posted by Schils View Post

Considering this as a blind buy...but, just curious, for those who made a trip to the theater this weekend...Elysium or Obivion? Seem like similar tales, any thoughts on which is the more all around solid movie? Thanks for any input.

I bought Oblivion blind as well and overall really enjoyed it. I thought Tom Cruise was pretty decent and the story is a sort of homage to old 70's sci-fi movies (THX1138, The Omega Man, Logan's Run, etc.). Overall I was more than pleased at the blind buy.
post #43 of 135
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Originally Posted by ozar View Post

Watch this one again yesterday and enjoyed it even more than the first time around. Having Olga Kurylenko and Andrea Riseborough on the screen didn't hurt anything, either. smile.gif
Agreed.
Fantastic movie. Great visuals. Great audio. Glad I bothered to get that metalpak release from walmart.

Oh, Andrea + pool scene = smile.gif
post #44 of 135
Thanks for the thoughts, all - gonna pick it up now for sure. Sounds like the majority feel it's more than just demo material (which is never enough of a reason for me to purchase titles).
post #45 of 135
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Originally Posted by Schils View Post

Considering this as a blind buy...but, just curious, for those who made a trip to the theater this weekend...Elysium or Obivion? Seem like similar tales, any thoughts on which is the more all around solid movie? Thanks for any input.
Having just seen Elysium, I think you will have to get both. tongue.gif They are quite different movies. While Oblivion is beautiful and atmospheric, Elysium is more focused on action and has a deep subversive undertone, similar to District 9 (but with higher production values).

Between these two movies and a few good ones last year, I am quite pleased to see a bit of a resurgence of high-quality science fiction film ...
post #46 of 135
We watched Oblivion the other evening - add me to the list of folks who thoroughly enjoyed it & recommend it from all perspectives (storyline, pq, aq, etc.).
It is a keeper and will get watched again.
post #47 of 135
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

The storyline is somewhat weak and there are some silly plot contrievances, but the visuals and the music make it an impressive experience nonetheless.
That comment pretty much sums up the movie at our weekend movie night gathering.
Great eye & ear candy. That's about it.
The climax & ending was lackluster and eventful as a flint spark at most.
post #48 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

That comment pretty much sums up the movie at our weekend movie night gathering.
Great eye & ear candy. That's about it.
The climax & ending was lackluster and eventful as a flint spark at most.

There you go! I'm not the only one who feels this way. biggrin.gif
post #49 of 135
I don't know, nothing about this movie impressed me as weak or silly -- I'm just at the other end altogether -- this was strong material that totally warranted the gigantic effort a studio will mobilize to bring this vision to fruition. And speaking of vision, eye and ear candy -- WOW, I've got to tell you, if I was being shown Earth for the first time, with all the sights and sounds, etc., I'm sure I could scarcely catch my breath -- utterly and completely independent of any context, story, characters, narrative, voices, etc. -- give me an awesome spectacle any day of the week. I mean, if I did favor stories to that extent, I suppose I would have been fine with a nightlight and e-reader, but I invested big in sweet and terrifying electronics that have the capability of grabbing me by the shirt collar and shaking me to my core. I got that out of this film, but saw that the story was extremely strong, the construction practically immaculate, the acting transcendent -- best thing I've seen all year in a year that convinces me the rest of my life will be filled with wondrous entertainments. Man, it is a good time to be alive savoring movies and TV as good as BREAKING BAD, among so many other great great things.....
post #50 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

I don't know, nothing about this movie impressed me as weak or silly -- I'm just at the other end altogether -- this was strong material that totally warranted the gigantic effort a studio will mobilize to bring this vision to fruition. And speaking of vision, eye and ear candy -- WOW, I've got to tell you, if I was being shown Earth for the first time, with all the sights and sounds, etc., I'm sure I could scarcely catch my breath -- utterly and completely independent of any context, story, characters, narrative, voices, etc. -- give me an awesome spectacle any day of the week. I mean, if I did favor stories to that extent, I suppose I would have been fine with a nightlight and e-reader, but I invested big in sweet and terrifying electronics that have the capability of grabbing me by the shirt collar and shaking me to my core.
I bet you liked Battleship too... tongue.gif
post #51 of 135
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Too bad the story itself wasn't as meticulously crafted as the visuals and surround mix. I don't know about any of you, but I need more than just a pretty picture and great sound (demo material) to keep me involved.

While we can disagree on whether the movie is good or not, I'm with you on needing more than just A/V quality. My recent experience with Oz The Great & Powerful was just that: Beautiful visuals, stellar audio and utterly horrible acting aside from Rachel Weisz along with a pretty weak plot. I know it's loosely based on the Baum books, but Raimi didn't do it justice. Then again, I'm not really a fan of Raimi's work.
post #52 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

I bet you liked Battleship too... tongue.gif
Well, I've got to think you can do better than that -- if you're looking for a movie universally recognized as awful but with great AV, BATTLESHIP is not that movie -- of course I did try to like it, as I would with any movie I spend time with, but the AV was nowhere near the level of OBLIVION, and when that is the case, then you are inevitably going to start to think unnecessarily about all the other elements at play, like this "story" concept I keep hearing about, and I confess to having found that movie more annoying than gratifying.

As worthy insult, perhaps you were looking for HANSEL & GRETEL (-- LOVED IT!), or GI JOE (-- LOVED IT!), but of course OBLIVION surpassed anything those efforts had to offer, so that really is the point in this particular thread. Along these same lines we're talking about here, I heard pretty good things about SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK, for example. Did I have any desire to see that one? The answer is very little of course (and have not seen it) -- I might be wrong, but I really didn't expect it would feature much in the way of futuristic conveyances whipping across the screen, firing explosive bursts, landing, maneuvering through deep canyons in pursuit of high tech pods, etc. No excellent AV pretty much means no play on my system.

Why not go for a great movie that is going to thrill the senses as well? If you didn't think OBLIVION was that movie, then I am quite happy there are large contingents of creative people -- whole armies in fact -- and gobs of smart money to put behind projects that a good number of folks in the potential audience will be not deserving of. These moviemakers will somehow manage to brush petulant indifference aside and persevere so that guys like me can delight that someone is willing to mount an almost unimaginable effort to induce me to spend my dollars -- I beg to spend my dollars on stuff this good, and I don't get enough opportunity to, but perhaps I'm somewhat greedy -- after all, we did have DARK KNIGHT and H&G and GI JOE. Was not impressed with OZ, but there were others, so it's not too too much of a strain to maintain thankfulness for great stuff to watch.

Oh, and just thought of a few more titles you can skewer me with anytime: BATTLE L.A. -- LOVED IT! SKYLINE -- LOVED IT! CLOVERFIELD -- LOVED IT!
post #53 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

Well, I've got to think you can do better than that -- if you're looking for a movie universally recognized as awful but with great AV, BATTLESHIP is not that movie -- of course I did try to like it, as I would with any movie I spend time with, but the AV was nowhere near the level of OBLIVION, and when that is the case, then you are inevitably going to start to think unnecessarily about all the other elements at play, like this "story" concept I keep hearing about, and I confess to having found that movie more annoying than gratifying.

As worthy insult, perhaps you were looking for HANSEL & GRETEL (-- LOVED IT!), or GI JOE (-- LOVED IT!), but of course OBLIVION surpassed anything those efforts had to offer, so that really is the point in this particular thread. Along these same lines we're talking about here, I heard pretty good things about SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK, for example. Did I have any desire to see that one? The answer is very little of course (and have not seen it) -- I might be wrong, but I really didn't expect it would feature much in the way of futuristic conveyances whipping across the screen, firing explosive bursts, landing, maneuvering through deep canyons in pursuit of high tech pods, etc. No excellent AV pretty much means no play on my system.

Why not go for a great movie that is going to thrill the senses as well? If you didn't think OBLIVION was that movie, then I am quite happy there are large contingents of creative people -- whole armies in fact -- and gobs of smart money to put behind projects that a good number of folks in the potential audience will be not deserving of. These moviemakers will somehow manage to brush petulant indifference aside and persevere so that guys like me can delight that someone is willing to mount an almost unimaginable effort to induce me to spend my dollars -- I beg to spend my dollars on stuff this good, and I don't get enough opportunity to, but perhaps I'm somewhat greedy -- after all, we did have DARK KNIGHT and H&G and GI JOE. Was not impressed with OZ, but there were others, so it's not too too much of a strain to maintain thankfulness for great stuff to watch.

Oh, and just thought of a few more titles you can skewer me with anytime: BATTLE L.A. -- LOVED IT! SKYLINE -- LOVED IT! CLOVERFIELD -- LOVED IT!
Your sermon clearly outlined what is important to you. I guess we all have our own standards for movie enjoyment.
Good day sir. smile.gif
post #54 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Your sermon clearly outlined what is important to you. I guess we all have our own standards for movie enjoyment.
And I guess that might be true, though I note you seem to want to remain mute about what your standards are whilst blithely sniping at other member's stated preferences. Don't be shy now, this is the place to lay bare what is important to YOU, however embarassed you might be to do so. I promise not to take a swipe, inasmuch as I realize taste is as individual to you as your willingness to try to make others feel small.
post #55 of 135
Thread Starter 
Obviously the smiley in post #50 fell into oblivion...

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post #56 of 135
^^^Well, I did take note actually, but it was the second jab without really generating an idea-based exchange, so I went peevish. No big, just my immaturity showing
post #57 of 135
I thought the film was stellar on just a few levels; cinematography, along with some half-way decent acting, with a mysterious plot. spoiler tags for everyone else below. Don't know how to do that yet........and I've been on here since '02!!!!!!!
Edited by KBMAN - 8/14/13 at 9:55am
post #58 of 135
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I thought the film was stellar on just a few levels; cinematography, along with some half-way decent acting, with a mysterious plot. The ending is what I thought was really, well, BLAH...... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I really didn't get to see Jack Harper interact with the survivors (including MF) to make such a sacrifice. #52? He got tied up during the middle of the film and never saw him until the end of the film??? Ok, end of rant wink.gif

Might wanna think about putting spoiler tags around that.
post #59 of 135
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#52? He got tied up during the middle of the film and never saw him until the end of the film???

I'll put spoilers since it's an important part of the plot...
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Seeing Julia during his fight with #49 reminded him of Julia too... Memories started to appear... And it took him 3 years to get to the lake house. Only #49 got involved with humans, the rest of the film focuses on their plan to destroy the Tet. #52 isn't aware that there's no "radiation zone" or that scavs don't really exist. It is possible that once the Tet got destroyed #52 started to investigate who Julia really was and then went on a quest to find her.
post #60 of 135
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I'll put spoilers since it's an important part of the plot...
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Seeing Julia during his fight with #49 reminded him of Julia too... Memories started to appear... And it took him 3 years to get to the lake house. Only #49 got involved with humans, the rest of the film focuses on their plan to destroy the Tet. #52 isn't aware that there's no "radiation zone" or that scavs don't really exist. It is possible that once the Tet got destroyed #52 started to investigate who Julia really was and then went on a quest to find her.
Logical explanation.
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