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post #61 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

That comment pretty much sums up the movie at our weekend movie night gathering.
Great eye & ear candy. That's about it.
The climax & ending was lackluster and eventful as a flint spark at most.

Pretty much covers it......
post #62 of 135
I enjoyed this movie even more the second time in my home. The pacing and acting is great and of course as mentioned top notch visuals and audio. biggrin.gif
post #63 of 135
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

"Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman:
Great eye & ear candy. That's about it.
The climax & ending was lackluster and eventful as a flint spark at most."

Pretty much covers it......
So seems like that falls short of a ringing endorsement. Of course for myself "great eye and ear candy" likely propels a film to one of the best of the year on those qualities alone -- those aspects rank very very high in my appraisal, but sounds like you don't respect such qualities anywhere near as much. Almost sounds as if you were quite indifferent to this effort.

For conjecture sake, let's just speak in terms of entertainment value. I was EXTREMELY entertained by this offering, but perhaps I'm easy to please -- I'm well entertained by maybe 50-100 films a year. OBLIVION would be in my top two or three this year for entertainment value, but let's say you would describe yourself as well entertained by just 25 titles per year. Considering you agreed with "great eye and ear candy", perhaps that is worth some moderate entertainment value, so is OBLIVION then at the low end of your 25 on entertainment value? Somewhere in the middle? Not entertaining at all?

If it lands in the middle of 25 noteworthy titles a year, then by inference there were about 12 or so which represented better efforts to you. Just trying to put such negative perspectives in context and satisfy my own curiosity -- can I persuade you to name those 12 or so better films this year? Or maybe I'm way off base, you are a great fan of cinema and are well entertained by 100 or so films per year -- perhaps you would like to share your 80-90 better films this year? Possibly you really only like, say, three films in a good year, I would then assume from your dismissal that OBLIVION does not rank with those, but I sure would be curious what your great three titles were.

Interested in sharing your perspective?
post #64 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

So seems like that falls short of a ringing endorsement. Of course for myself "great eye and ear candy" likely propels a film to one of the best of the year on those qualities alone -- those aspects rank very very high in my appraisal, but sounds like you don't respect such qualities anywhere near as much. Almost sounds as if you were quite indifferent to this effort.

For conjecture sake, let's just speak in terms of entertainment value. I was EXTREMELY entertained by this offering, but perhaps I'm easy to please -- I'm well entertained by maybe 50-100 films a year. OBLIVION would be in my top two or three this year for entertainment value, but let's say you would describe yourself as well entertained by just 25 titles per year. Considering you agreed with "great eye and ear candy", perhaps that is worth some moderate entertainment value, so is OBLIVION then at the low end of your 25 on entertainment value? Somewhere in the middle? Not entertaining at all?

If it lands in the middle of 25 noteworthy titles a year, then by inference there were about 12 or so which represented better efforts to you. Just trying to put such negative perspectives in context and satisfy my own curiosity -- can I persuade you to name those 12 or so better films this year? Or maybe I'm way off base, you are a great fan of cinema and are well entertained by 100 or so films per year -- perhaps you would like to share your 80-90 better films this year? Possibly you really only like, say, three films in a good year, I would then assume from your dismissal that OBLIVION does not rank with those, but I sure would be curious what your great three titles were.

Interested in sharing your perspective?
Oblivion was like a rave party. Fun, great visuals and audio but no substance that leaves an impression of a memorable story or trigger a reaction of emotional involvement from the viewer. In summary, story was stale.
Edited by 42Plasmaman - 8/16/13 at 9:43pm
post #65 of 135
Yea, I just put things into perspective. This was a fun ride both visually and audio wise and the story was OK . I'm not sure if the system it's watched with has anything to do with the entertainment value derived but I suspect it does.

Art
post #66 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Oblivion was like a rave party. Fun, great visuals and audio but no substance that leaves an impression of a memorable story or trigger a reaction of emotional involvement from the viewer. In summary, story was stale.
Certainly I respect your perspective, but to compare OBLIVION to a rave party would seem to point to the opposite of your summary conclusion, and more to my point. I've never been to a rave party, but my vision of one is an environment that promotes total abandon and giving oneself over to absolute immersive stimuli which then cannot help but touch the soul through submission to a release from social constraints, parameters of identity and propriety, etc. This would be my point exactly concerning overwhelming cinematic feasts of sight and sound -- the stronger those elements in film are, the less significant is imposing some artificial and/or extraneous structure or context, as in "story" or character interaction.

With that in mind, you will not find it surprising that for me the story was not at all the most significant virtue of this phenomenal entertainment. And of course I am quite aware that OBLIVION treads some familiar thematic ground, but I found the construction extraordinarily well-conceived, acting was top-notch, production values were literally out of this world, I discovered some surprises contained within the unfolding of this tale, and was ultimately rewarded with an emotional takeaway. But I am not at all averse to reexamining or reimagining noble virtue -- if an operation to transplant an organ is not entirely successful the first times science may attempt it, it certainly does not diminish the worthiness of the enterprise, and there is absolutely great reward in revisiting the process until it is perfected.

OBLIVION was near perfect in my mind. I liked MOON a great deal -- very finely crafted film. Its possible comparison to OBLIVION here only elevates both efforts to my way of thinking. Only the DARK KNIGHT gives me pause in declaring OBLIVION the best of the year, or perhaps many years, so I'm mystified by anything but supreme gratification that people invested in this project on all levels.

By way of getting at what you mean by "stale story" -- is that because we've seen these themes explored before? These themes are indeed ubiquitous and universal -- what defines us as human? Is there purpose in devoting oneself to cause against the backdrop of inevitable death and obscurity? Is a part of us essentially irreducible even apart from contextual memory and/or the death of the body? Is humanity merely a collective of individuals of common purpose, or are our shared traits akin to a collective consciousness? Even: does love conquer all?

Of course if you were unmoved, there is no arguing that. That would be a case of it is what it is, but I am just trying to get at some understanding of why that might be the case, and cannot find in your explanation anything to hold onto that relates to what I saw, but I do appreciate the exchange.
post #67 of 135
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Yea, I just put things into perspective. This was a fun ride both visually and audio wise and the story was OK . I'm not sure if the system it's watched with has anything to do with the entertainment value derived but I suspect it does.

Art
But you have a very fine system don't you? How could you not be aware that that immersive experience can make or break involvement? I mean, something inspired you to dedicate yourself to making your home theater what it is. At the other end of the scale, how involved are you going to be in an audio/visual experience that emmanates from a one-inch by one-inch black and white screen, where every third word is lost to tinny distortion? Why bother. On the other hand, when I'm grinning ear to ear from the opening moments, I am rendered VERY disposed toward discovering virtue....
post #68 of 135
I bought my Oblivion blu ray disc at Best Buy on release day.

On both my Oppo 93 and PS3 the image blacks out momentarily starting at about the 1:42:15 mark . I have not yet detailed the exact time stamps but I will sat the image cuts to black a few times. The movie does not freeze (you can still hear the soundtrack). It continues playing fine. At first I thought it was my projector. I brought the disc into Best Buy and the exact same issue at same time was able to be reproduced on their LG player. We then opened two more discs and saw the same thing. I have not read of this issue on any forum. Anyone else seeing this ?
post #69 of 135
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Originally Posted by quack724 View Post

I bought my Oblivion blu ray disc at Best Buy on release day.

On both my Oppo 93 and PS3 the image blacks out momentarily starting at about the 1:42:15 mark . I have not yet detailed the exact time stamps but I will sat the image cuts to black a few times. The movie does not freeze (you can still hear the soundtrack). It continues playing fine. At first I thought it was my projector. I brought the disc into Best Buy and the exact same issue at same time was able to be reproduced on their LG player. We then opened two more discs and saw the same thing. I have not read of this issue on any forum. Anyone else seeing this ?

I used my PS3 when I watched it the other night. No issue. The disc was a Walmart Metalpak bought on release day.
post #70 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

So seems like that falls short of a ringing endorsement. Of course for myself "great eye and ear candy" likely propels a film to one of the best of the year on those qualities alone -- those aspects rank very very high in my appraisal, but sounds like you don't respect such qualities anywhere near as much. Almost sounds as if you were quite indifferent to this effort.

For conjecture sake, let's just speak in terms of entertainment value. I was EXTREMELY entertained by this offering, but perhaps I'm easy to please -- I'm well entertained by maybe 50-100 films a year. OBLIVION would be in my top two or three this year for entertainment value, but let's say you would describe yourself as well entertained by just 25 titles per year. Considering you agreed with "great eye and ear candy", perhaps that is worth some moderate entertainment value, so is OBLIVION then at the low end of your 25 on entertainment value? Somewhere in the middle? Not entertaining at all?

If it lands in the middle of 25 noteworthy titles a year, then by inference there were about 12 or so which represented better efforts to you. Just trying to put such negative perspectives in context and satisfy my own curiosity -- can I persuade you to name those 12 or so better films this year? Or maybe I'm way off base, you are a great fan of cinema and are well entertained by 100 or so films per year -- perhaps you would like to share your 80-90 better films this year? Possibly you really only like, say, three films in a good year, I would then assume from your dismissal that OBLIVION does not rank with those, but I sure would be curious what your great three titles were.

Interested in sharing your perspective?

Great looking film........ yes. It fell just four or five sentences of dialog short of being a truly meaningful film because the audience (uh, that would be us), was not allowed to derive any type of relationship with the main characters. Obviously, a "talky" this movie was never going to be. But without establishing some reason(s) to like, dislike or just ascertain some reason to care, one way or the other, what fate befalls the protagonists and or antagonists allows the movie to meander at exactly the point in time when we, the audience, should really be on the edge of our seat in anticipation of how the film resolves the question of future existence for all the interested parties. To those who were enthralled with the film for many of the reasons stated above, that's understandable. The look of the film and the acting performances were all solid. The story line.... well, that's a different kettle of fish.
post #71 of 135
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

Great looking film........ yes. It fell just four or five sentences of dialog short of being a truly meaningful film because the audience (uh, that would be us), was not allowed to derive any type of relationship with the main characters. Obviously, a "talky" this movie was never going to be. But without establishing some reason(s) to like, dislike or just ascertain some reason to care, one way or the other, what fate befalls the protagonists and or antagonists allows the movie to meander at exactly the point in time when we, the audience, should really be on the edge of our seat in anticipation of how the film resolves the question of future existence for all the interested parties. To those who were enthralled with the film for many of the reasons stated above, that's understandable. The look of the film and the acting performances were all solid. The story line.... well, that's a different kettle of fish.

Of course the film did not at all strike me that way, but then I am not one to count on dialog to impart much meaning -- it can, I'm sure, but so so not necessary. As to the relationships, this is really part of the central mystery, is it not? As events unfold, we begin to wonder how solid our acting assumptions might be. I found the nuanced portrayals and subtle unfurling of a progressively fuller comprehension of what is going on here, extremely well managed, beguiling, and involving. As we wonder who the Olga character might actually be in relationship to Cruise, it certainly does not take much for me to well imagine, implant myself into, a love relationship with her -- her looks, manner, the mood music, and flashing barely recaptured personal history, all do that for me -- truth be told, given a certain actress, looks alone might allow me to cast myself into well-imagined deep involvement -- easily. In that context, almost anything she says might stand to rupture the illusion -- like continuing to blather on after a deal is sealed, further chatter may only operate to jeopardize the contract.

At this point in cinematic history, we all have seen a good deal of film. The language, iconography, pacing, editing, music, et al, all operate, even subliminally, to shape clear impressions of what is unfolding. It is familiar, it is mostly instantly comprehensible shorthand into which we empathically begin to synch up to the rhythms of the film, if it is well made. Dialog does not do this for me much. With dialog, I find I can be mightily impressed with how smartly written a thing is -- that will make me respect the writing surely, but its not the thing that generally appreciably deepens my emotional attachment to the characters. So when you suggest that a movie would need to be a talky to establish why we care, I can't say that resonates with me *at all*.

I don't know, I think Cruise may have this problem to much greater extent than other actors -- his outsized star persona and identity can be insurmountable baggage for some viewers -- hard to see him as anything but a rich actor with suspect cult involvement, and perhaps that disrupts/derails our empathic immersion, but certainly when sensitive Olga enters the scene, I'm there -- maybe the less she says, the better that all is -- even her character seems to know this is true, as she tries to calculate what she should venture given what mysteriously seems to have happened to her Captain. So she is not an effusive chatterbox by design.

But we obviously had two opposite reactions to the presentation here -- you seem to have respected certain elements, the undeniable AV appeal, and what I was getting to in my previous post was that however short you thought this fell of being a great film, it is still one of the best things offered up this year, and if not, what was better? Just saw OLYMPUS HAS FALLEN and BULLET TO THE HEAD. Were those any kind of competition for OBLIVION? Nowhere close. How about recent past weeks? EVIL DEAD? -- better than OBLIVION? What this year?

I obviously felt it succeeded on all counts, but let's just say the story scores absolute zero -- in my view, that might strike down about five percent of a film's worth, given EVERYTHING else that can be appraised. On every other count, we have a film here that is head and shoulders above anything else in recent past that comes to mind. What competes with it? I note you did not offer anything you were more impressed by...
post #72 of 135
I thought the movie was very cleverly done. I seriously doubt 4 or 5 sentences would have made much of a difference as far as meaningfulness goes. It wasn't the best film of all time but it isn't worthy of the plot criticisms some are giving it either. It's all subjective.
Edited by comfynumb - 8/18/13 at 5:53am
post #73 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

it is still one of the best things offered up this year, and if not, what was better? On every other count, we have a film here that is head and shoulders above anything else in recent past that comes to mind. What competes with it?

You've thoroughly won the argument here and, unfortunately, I agree with your assessment. Movie releases this year amount to a vast wealth of garbage.

I've hardly watched movies at all in the last 6-8 months (but I am getting more sleep).
post #74 of 135
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Oblivion was like a rave party. Fun, great visuals and audio but no substance that leaves an impression of a memorable story or trigger a reaction of emotional involvement from the viewer. In summary, story was stale.

Emaych doesn't care about story or characters or substance or emotional involvement. He only cares about bass. If a movie has lots of bass, it's the greatest movie he's ever seen. Browse through his posting history. He's consistent in his criteria for movie greatness.
Edited by Josh Z - 8/18/13 at 8:39am
post #75 of 135
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

I thought the movie was very cleverly done. I seriously doubt 4 or 5 sentences would have made much of a difference as far as meaningfulness goes. It wasn't the best film of all time but it isn't worthy of the plot criticisms some are giving it either. It's all subjective.

The movie was indeed "cleverly done". But the "plot" was most assuredly........ weak sauce.
post #76 of 135
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

You've thoroughly won the argument here and, unfortunately, I agree with your assessment. Movie releases this year amount to a vast wealth of garbage.

I've hardly watched movies at all in the last 6-8 months (but I am getting more sleep).

Quite true. The issue isn't judging the film versus the other shaky cam mental miscreant presentations available. It's judging the film as it stands as a separate entity, and it definitely has some merits, and some weak points. I for one when watching the film (or soon thereafter) wasn't interested in evaluating it in some sort of pseudo 2013 cinematic competition.
post #77 of 135
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Emaych doesn't care about story or characters or substance or emotional involvement. He only cares about bass. If a movie has lots of bass, it's the greatest movie he's ever seen. Browse through his posting history. He's consistent in his criteria for movie greatness.

Is it your intention to take up my mantle and speak for me? I do appreciate that you have researched my posting history, and I certainly confess to liberal usage of hyperbole to make my points. I have said, and do reiterate herein, that unless a film provides me sensory stimuli on a large scale -- BIG payoff with sound, and to much lesser extent visuals, I won't even be watching. That is practically axiomatic for the largest swath of the potential viewing public. If you doubt me, imagine the fate of a film that proposed to only take up picture space on the big movie screens the size of a 40" TV, with TV sound to match. It would not get off the ground with investors even, couldn't matter less what "substance" it may have.

Humorously, I'm sure I have promoted big bass as the most essential foundation for movie greatness, as you put it, but let's try and not extrapolate solid policy platforms from tongue-in-cheek contentions rendered up for polemical purpose. Priority one for movie greatness, large scale impact, and/or to matter: people must want to see it. Don't meet the minimum standards of for technical presentation, you can auto-strike any effort from potential greatness. That is not a new idea, and certainly, I'm sure, predates the McLuhan, or McLuhanesque, "medium is the message" dictum.

But here is your assessment above of my POV: doesn't care about story or characters or substance or emotional involvement. Not so. Emotional involvement actually very high on my scale. I recognize that I get there PRIMARILY AND ABOVE ALL ELSE through my senses. I HAVE said, and will repeat: give me delight on that (those) front(s), I am very disposed to discover other qualities. As here with OBLIVION. Of course it not only helps that OBLIVION provides ample entertainment beyond its point of entry, but on other points somewhat outside of strict sight and sound, OBLIVION establishes itself as one of the best of this year.

And I will reassert here that far down the scale in appreciation of OBLIVION might be ranking it for groundbreaking freshness of story concept. Character development, i.e., what each person might be expected to say or think on any given subject, was also not too too important for what this film offered. Instead we are provided some tabula rasa individuals who embody everyman types against unknown, but very present, environmental and interpersonal stressors -- that was the foundation of this "story" -- not the absolute MOST original, but refined to such high degree that it offered big time entertainment. Acting and pacing were first rate too, so let us not really argue that this had nothing going but bass.

Well done, one of the best of the year. What was better? Was it LINCOLN? -- some here have expressed a certain yearning for talkies -- now that was one of those, in my view. Found it fairly tedious. Could it be it LIFE OF PI rang your bell? Actually that movie pretty much makes my point. Fantastic visuals. good track -- not that big on long-winded dialog, human-to-human character development, etc. Dialog almost an afterthought, but this film had many admirers.

Please enlighten us, as you are the resident movie guru hereabouts, what 25 films this year surpassed OBLIVION? Or if you think OBLIVION ranks among the good at least, then my point is made -- I was concerned folks were going overlook this fantastic blu-ray over pejorative dismissals of the story, which is not even at all the main selling point of this film, or ANY film -- now that is my POV. Also too, I would be remiss not to make note of the very important fact that as a value blu-ray, this one incorporates an isolated score, which I would take over digital copy any day of the week for value-added features.
post #78 of 135
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

Quite true. The issue isn't judging the film versus the other shaky cam mental miscreant presentations available. It's judging the film as it stands as a separate entity, and it definitely has some merits, and some weak points. I for one when watching the film (or soon thereafter) wasn't interested in evaluating it in some sort of pseudo 2013 cinematic competition.
Here is why I introduced that comparitive exercise: I saw folks dismissing this film as if it were crap. I had just seen the best thing (or one of) I've seen all year. I love film and love seeing something good. If this is something you also think was one of the best things you've seen, which you now seem willing to concede, how come it took me mounting this discussion for that to come out? I for one am blissfully delighted to see something which stands out from the pack. This most certainly certainly did and I LEAD with that fact, not how far I think it might have fallen short of being good or great. Frankly, OBLIVION thrilled me.

But now that we have introduced some fair accounting, I am gratified that my efforts seem to have paid off.
post #79 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

Here is why I introduced that comparitive exercise: I saw folks dismissing this film as if it were crap. I had just seen the best thing (or one of) I've seen all year. I love film and love seeing something good. If this is something you also think was one of the best things you've seen, which you now seem willing to concede, how come it took me mounting this discussion for that to come out? I for one am blissfully delighted to see something which stands out from the pack. This most certainly certainly did and I LEAD with that fact, not how far I think it might have fallen short of being good or great. Frankly, OBLIVION thrilled me.

But now that we have introduced some fair accounting, I am gratified that my efforts seem to have paid off.

I never said it "was one of the best things" I've seen. You need to read that reply again and understand what "the bland" was saying. In a year of absolute cinematic garbage, this may have been the best of a bad lot. How you interpret that, or how much more you want write about a film that sans visuals was largely forgettable, well that's up to you.
post #80 of 135
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Originally Posted by par4 View Post

I never said it "was one of the best things" I've seen. You need to read that reply again and understand what "the bland" was saying. In a year of absolute cinematic garbage, this may have been the best of a bad lot. How you interpret that, or how much more you want write about a film that sans visuals was largely forgettable, well that's up to you.
Well, here's the thing: I mounted this vigorous and enthusiastic defense of the movie in the face of some degree of disparagement, to flush the detractors out, get them to declare themselves. It would seem I have done just that. I think by definition you have to fall into one of three camps here:

1) You really generally enjoy cinema -- like alot of movies you see, but OBLIVION was not one of them.
2) You find you do not enjoy a whole lot of what you see, and not surprisingly OBLIVION falls into that crap-pack.
3) You like alot of what you see, and OBLIVION was at least among these rewarding efforts, if not something that clearly separated from the pack.

Now by declaring this to be a year of cinematic garbage, that lets everyone know that we should not be surprised you were not thrilled with OBLIVION. Most everything you saw was crap to you. All good and well. And I'm sorry, when you say OBLIVION was the best of a bad lot, you ARE saying it was one of the best things you have seen (...in a year of cinematic garbage of course). This puts your opinion in proper relief, whereas I hope it is quite clear that I land squarely in category 3 -- I liked alot of what I saw this year, bought a good deal of blu-rays from this year, enjoyed every rental, some more than others -- seems I can't help but like movies ALOT.

I am quite comfortable in this domain, I assume you are comfortable in yours -- of course I wonder what you are looking for in film, if it mostly displeases you, but I am content that appropriate context is now applied to your appraisal of this movie, and I do thank you for your candor and willingness to dialog, that is all....
post #81 of 135
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

Well, here's the thing: I mounted this vigorous and enthusiastic defense of the movie in the face of some degree of disparagement, to flush the detractors out, get them to declare themselves. It would seem I have done just that. I think by definition you have to fall into one of three camps here:

1) You really generally enjoy cinema -- like alot of movies you see, but OBLIVION was not one of them.
2) You find you do not enjoy a whole lot of what you see, and not surprisingly OBLIVION falls into that crap-pack.
3) You like alot of what you see, and OBLIVION was at least among these rewarding efforts, if not something that clearly separated from the pack.

Now by declaring this to be a year of cinematic garbage, that lets everyone know that we should not be surprised you were not thrilled with OBLIVION. Most everything you saw was crap to you. All good and well. And I'm sorry, when you say OBLIVION was the best of a bad lot, you ARE saying it was one of the best things you have seen (...in a year of cinematic garbage of course). This puts your opinion in proper relief, whereas I hope it is quite clear that I land squarely in category 3 -- I liked alot of what I saw this year, bought a good deal of blu-rays from this year, enjoyed every rental, some more than others -- seems I can't help but like movies ALOT.

I am quite comfortable in this domain, I assume you are comfortable in yours -- of course I wonder what you are looking for in film, if it mostly displeases you, but I am content that appropriate context is now applied to your appraisal of this movie, and I do thank you for your candor and willingness to dialog, that is all....

I was disappointed in "Oblivion" because it was so close to being truly memorable. It's certainly not a bad film, regardless of what came before it cinematically this year. That's not the standard I hold any film to. Just as I was disappointed with "Prometheus". I liked the film, and it came close, but the story line and plot just missed the mark. Both films were visually remarkable. And a pleasure to view.
post #82 of 135
^^^I couldn't agree more with much of what you say, although I think I am slightly more inclined to take films as they come -- PROMETHEUS is a perfect example of that -- outlandishly absurd in many of its elements, glaringly flawed, yet I thought it was great, for all its flaws and all that it got right -- including that it had people watching it several times, if only to lay bare what was bad about it. In my mind, you don't rewatch something to experience compound displeasure -- you are finding something compelling in it, and how much more can you ask of a film?

So I think we arrived at some clarification here, and that is gratifying indeed.
post #83 of 135
ok, going nuts on this one! On my second disc from best buy and can't get it to play on any of my players! They are all Panasonic players, my main player in the ht is the 500. It does the best of all by showing up through the universal logo intro, then goes black and nothing. The other players wont even load up!

Haven't heard of anyone else having this trouble, has anyone else? I have check for updates and they are all current. Any suggestions, or where I can check for others with like problems? This is my first with a problem disc!
post #84 of 135
I have an older Panasonic and only updated the firmware late last year and it played the disc just fine.

My suggestion is try your copy out on a friends system if possible.

Best Regards
KvE
post #85 of 135
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Originally Posted by JBJR View Post

ok, going nuts on this one! On my second disc from best buy and can't get it to play on any of my players! They are all Panasonic players, my main player in the ht is the 500. It does the best of all by showing up through the universal logo intro, then goes black and nothing. The other players wont even load up!

Haven't heard of anyone else having this trouble, has anyone else? I have check for updates and they are all current. Any suggestions, or where I can check for others with like problems? This is my first with a problem disc!

Just a suggestion Turn everything off, like your AVR as well as your BR players. Wait, say 60 seconds, and then turn everything back on and see if it plays. Assuming that you are using a high definition display, turn that on first, then your AVR, and then your BR player(s). Some BR players are temper-mental when it comes to playing Oblivion besides the Panasonic. It is a known fact that an oppo 103 will not play the isolated score cleanly, but skips and makes it unlistenable. If worse comes to worse, call up Panasonic tech support.
post #86 of 135
@JBJR - Do your players use BD-Live? I've read that some people have had problems with BD-Live and this disc. They ended up turning it off and the disc played fine.
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Originally Posted by neveser View Post

@JBJR - Do your players use BD-Live? I've read that some people have had problems with BD-Live and this disc. They ended up turning it off and the disc played fine.

Right, I always turn it off. It is bad enough that I have to sit through commercials when going to a theater, but having to endure awful trailers is equally bad. If there is any benefit to BD-Live, I am just not willing to waste any more time finding out, just what it is.
post #88 of 135
Thanks guys, yes, I do have BD-live turned on. I will turn it off and see how that works.

My firmware in all players is up to date to the current firmware. I did try the turn off and on in order, but, still did not work. Will try it again with BD-live turned off.
post #89 of 135
Thanks guys, yes, I do have BD-live turned on. I will turn it off and see how that works.

My firmware in all players is up to date to the current firmware. I did try the turn off and on in order, but, still did not work. Will try it again with BD-live turned off.
post #90 of 135
ok everythings good now, turned off BD-Live and it playes as it should:cool:! wil definitly keep that turned off for now on!

Thank guys:D!
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