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post #61 of 184

how come no one has replied to my post?

cinema mode in movie?

am i asking too much here?

other settings?

i'm bewildered

post #62 of 184

I can confirm I saw them reversed on two different 51f5300's
post #63 of 184
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

I can confirm I saw them reversed on two different 51f5300's

does that include your current set?
post #64 of 184
Yes, it was on mine and on a friends.
post #65 of 184
Hey guys,
I got this TV on Saturday after reading about it on rtings
Three of the people that work there were trying to convince that this plasma has a very bad picture, they even moved it next to an F6100 to show me how bad the colors are on that set.
I asked them to turn off the light in the showroom to see the true difference, default picture on LED in the showroom truly hurts the eyes.
One of them started talking about the motion blur on plasmas and how bad they really are!

Hope you can help me with my questions:
1- is it safe to use the contrast 100 even if the TV age didnt exceed 100 hours? will that cause any image retention of some sort? rolleyes.gif
2- when using colored slides, do you recommend a certain settings for the picture? currently i'm running them on movie mode.
3- how much do i have to wait before starting to watch a 2 hours movies with the black bars on! i really hate to zoom the picture!
4- Any settings on the PS3? i use it to play bluerays and downloaded movies.

Thanks
Edited by bilanio - 1/7/14 at 7:07am
post #66 of 184
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Originally Posted by bilanio View Post

Hey guys,
I got this TV on Saturday after reading about it on rtings
Three of the people that work there were trying to convince that this plasma has a very bad picture, they even moved it next to an F6100 to show me how bad the colors are on that set.
I asked them to turn off the light in the showroom to see the true difference, default picture on LED in the showroom truly hurts the eyes.
One of them started talking about the motion blur on plasmas and how bad they really are!

Hope you can help me with my questions:
1- is it safe to use the contrast 100 even if the TV age didnt exceed 100 hours? will that cause any image retention of some sort? rolleyes.gif
2- when using colored slides, do you recommend a certain settings for the picture? currently i'm running them on movie mode.
3- how much do i have to wait before starting to watch a 2 hours movies with the black bars on! i really hate to zoom the picture!
4- Any settings on the PS3? i use it to play bluerays and downloaded movies.

Thanks

In reference to your IR questions, as with all plasmas, I recommend you don't go higher on the contrast then the default settings until after break-in. That being said, as long as you watch plenty of full screen content, or use the screen wash after displaying bright static images and letter boxing, you shouldn't have any issues.

Ian
post #67 of 184
I got my PN60F5300 back in November. I have been using it with default settings because I haven't really had time to look into calibrating. I was considering hiring someone but after applying Will's settings it looks incredible. Especially considering what I've been looking at for the last few months. It looks incredible with my PS4, Apple TV, and HD cable. Thanks so much will!!
post #68 of 184
One question: anyone experienced a problem with the TV Turing itself off after changing channels? When using direct coax connection to the tv, after I change channels it sometimes randomly shuts off then turns back on. Remote working fine. No other issues that I've noticed.
post #69 of 184
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Originally Posted by CptnMorgan119 View Post

One question: anyone experienced a problem with the TV Turing itself off after changing channels? When using direct coax connection to the tv, after I change channels it sometimes randomly shuts off then turns back on. Remote working fine. No other issues that I've noticed.

Glad you liked the settings

As far as this issue, check the Samsung website support page for this model, I remember seeing a firmware update that mentioned a fix for random shutoffs
post #70 of 184
Will7046, thank you for the settings! I just bought the Costco F5350 version last night and so far so good! I'll need to compare during daytime as well though.
post #71 of 184
Got Firmware... ver.1027.2
post #72 of 184
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Originally Posted by signmastr View Post

Got Firmware... ver.1027.2

I recently measured MLL after applying the update and readings are in the 0.006 fL to 0.007 fL range with movie mode, black optimizer set to dark room. I believe I was getting numbers near 0.004 fL (or slightly higher like 0.0045 fL) before. Turning black optimizer off doubles it to about 0.011 fL to 0.012 fL.
post #73 of 184
post #74 of 184
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I recently measured MLL after applying the update and readings are in the 0.006 fL to 0.007 fL range with movie mode, black optimizer set to dark room. I believe I was getting numbers near 0.004 fL (or slightly higher like 0.0045 fL) before. Turning black optimizer off doubles it to about 0.011 fL to 0.012 fL.

I have also measured disturbingly high black levels during 3 recent F8500 calibrations; orders of magnitudes higher than the early production F8500 I reviewed.
post #75 of 184
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

I have also measured disturbingly high black levels during 3 recent F8500 calibrations; orders of magnitudes higher than the early production F8500 I reviewed.

I can live with the 2-pt control names being reversed, but firmware updates that raise MLL is ridiculous. I'd like to see them address this with a newer update.

BTW, what kind of level differences (in fL) did you find with the F8500 samples you've calibrated?
post #76 of 184
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I can live with the 2-pt control names being reversed, but firmware updates that raise MLL is ridiculous. I'd like to see them address this with a newer update.

BTW, what kind of level differences (in fL) did you find with the F8500 samples you've calibrated?


Just curious, what were the firmware updates for?



Ian
post #77 of 184
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Just curious, what were the firmware updates for?



Ian

didn't say just "Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1027.2)"

usually there is an expand button (blue +), but not with this update

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/PN51F5300AFXZA?CID=AFL-hq-mul-0813-11000279
post #78 of 184
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

didn't say just "Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1027.2)"

usually there is an expand button (blue +), but not with this update

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/PN51F5300AFXZA?CID=AFL-hq-mul-0813-11000279


I'm curious as to why a firmware update would raise black levels.


Ian
post #79 of 184
I can confirm the newest firmware has caused some issues, not as bad as I initially thought.

Before the firmware update, I consistently measured .004fl with any combination of settings, as long as the black optimizer was set at dark room. It didn't matter if I warm the set up for 2 mins or 2 hours, I was getting .004fl.

Post update, after letting the meter and set warm up for a few mins, I was getting .005fl with cinema smooth in 24p mode, and .006 or .007 with 60hz content.

I did discover that after about an hour, the black levels went back to .004 for 24p and .004 or .005 for 60hz.I duplicated this again by shutting off the set for a few mins and repeating,.

Very strange.

My measurements were taken on a retail i1 display pro with HCFR, but a friend is bringing by Calman tomorrow so I will attempt to duplicate it with that.
post #80 of 184
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

I can confirm the newest firmware has caused some issues, not as bad as I initially thought.

Before the firmware update, I consistently measured .004fl with any combination of settings, as long as the black optimizer was set at dark room. It didn't matter if I warm the set up for 2 mins or 2 hours, I was getting .004fl.

Post update, after letting the meter and set warm up for a few mins, I was getting .005fl with cinema smooth in 24p mode, and .006 or .007 with 60hz content.

I did discover that after about an hour, the black levels went back to .004 for 24p and .004 or .005 for 60hz.I duplicated this again by shutting off the set for a few mins and repeating,.

Very strange.

My measurements were taken on a retail i1 display pro with HCFR, but a friend is bringing by Calman tomorrow so I will attempt to duplicate it with that.

Very interesting these last few posts.
I just purchased the pn51f5350af today for my daughter as it was a nice screen for the price point, with comparably priced LCD's just not up to scratch IMO with the 120hz screen judder and awful soap opera effect.
Anyways I was about to update the firmware (current ver.1017.1) to the latest ver.1027.2 but it seems that there are zero benefits in upgrading, and in fact some downsides? I haven't read any positive changes mentioned, so is it best to skip this firmware - and likely have the TV live out it's life 'as is' as I doubt Samsung will bother doing anything more for what is a budget set?
Thoughts?
post #81 of 184
Thanks for these settings, really helped setup the set.
One question, you suggest to choose screen fit instead of 16:9, which initially I thought was the best option until I realized that this option disables the burn-in protection options. This is not worth the risk IMO, image retention is still very real.
Also, do you think that contrast at 92 is 'safe' for a brand new screen, or are you assuming that it has at least 200 hours on it, and somewhat run in?
Thanks.
post #82 of 184
I would not recommend the firmware update. I have not noticed any positive benefits only the slight issues as mentioned above.

Also, screen fit is your best option as 16:9 will cut off a portion of the screen and you will loose a significant amount of resolution. Don't worry about burn in I've been running this set around the clock for months with no issues.
post #83 of 184
Hey guys, thinking of picking one of this unit up this weekend.

For those that own this set, could you help answer my questions?

1) How's colors/greyscale after calibration? What's brightness level?

2) Does it have 10pt greyscale adjustment? Those it have full CMS controls for primary/secondary colors?

3) Does it have a digital optical out connection to hook up to the AVR?

Thanks much!
post #84 of 184
Quote:
Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

I can confirm the newest firmware has caused some issues, not as bad as I initially thought.

Before the firmware update, I consistently measured .004fl with any combination of settings, as long as the black optimizer was set at dark room. It didn't matter if I warm the set up for 2 mins or 2 hours, I was getting .004fl.

Post update, after letting the meter and set warm up for a few mins, I was getting .005fl with cinema smooth in 24p mode, and .006 or .007 with 60hz content.

I did discover that after about an hour, the black levels went back to .004 for 24p and .004 or .005 for 60hz.I duplicated this again by shutting off the set for a few mins and repeating,.

Very strange.

My measurements were taken on a retail i1 display pro with HCFR, but a friend is bringing by Calman tomorrow so I will attempt to duplicate it with that.

I will try to see if my black levels settle down again too but I don't think that's the case with my set since I initially noticed the issue at the end a of calibration session that lasted 3 hours (and the TV had been on for several hours displaying full screen content prior to the calibration). Also, on my set there's no difference between cinema smooth and 60Hz in black levels and I don't appear to have the black noise issue either.

What build is your set and what firmware did it have before the update? Mine is an Oct build and shipped with 1023 firmware.
post #85 of 184
Very strange that we are having different results, but the common thread is the new firmware update definitely changed things.

Mine is a March 2013 build, I was running 1017.1
post #86 of 184
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Originally Posted by will7046 View Post

Very strange that we are having different results, but the common thread is the new firmware update definitely changed things.

Mine is a March 2013 build, I was running 1017.1

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1509791/cant-get-2-pt-grayscale-controls-on-samsung-pn51f5300-plasma-to-affect-anything-above-60-stim-help/90#post_24230290

I'm getting 0.006 fL for CS on and 0.007 fL for everything else. One hour warm-up, meter warmed for 10-15 mins.


Is there any way to force the TV to 'update' back to 1017.1? Given that 1017.1 is still on the Samsung website?
post #87 of 184
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Hey guys, thinking of picking one of this unit up this weekend.

For those that own this set, could you help answer my questions?

1) How's colors/greyscale after calibration? What's brightness level?

2) Does it have 10pt greyscale adjustment? Those it have full CMS controls for primary/secondary colors?

3) Does it have a digital optical out connection to hook up to the AVR?

Thanks much!

1. It calibrates perfectly, I achieved about 35fl with my calibration

2. Yes and Yes

3. Yes
post #88 of 184
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1509791/cant-get-2-pt-grayscale-controls-on-samsung-pn51f5300-plasma-to-affect-anything-above-60-stim-help/90#post_24230290

I'm getting 0.006 fL for CS on and 0.007 fL for everything else. One hour warm-up, meter warmed for 10-15 mins.


Is there any way to force the TV to 'update' back to 1017.1? Given that 1017.1 is still on the Samsung website?

I don't think there is
post #89 of 184
My question now shows up on the Samsung website:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/PN51F5300AFXZA

screencap:




If you could post a similar question here it might help increase the odds of Samsung looking into it and hopefully releasing a fix or at least a way to revert back to a previous firmware version.
post #90 of 184
Thanks. I will pick one up today. It's on sale for 800 at BB. Great price IMO.
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