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The bitrate issue is exacerbated not only by having HD extras on the same disc, but also by redundant TrueHD and MA versions of both the original and Mandarin-dubbed soundtracks—an obnoxiously common practice on Hong Kong BDs.

So it has one language in TrueHD and the other in DTS MA, or it has two of each? eek.gif

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post #32 of 108
Two of each. Since it also has a Thai dub in DTS-MA, that's five lossless tracks when it really only needed three at most.
post #33 of 108
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Two of each. Since it also has a Thai dub in DTS-MA, that's five lossless tracks when it really only needed three at most.

Yeah, that's just stupid.
post #34 of 108
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Have you actually watched this .
Uh, so you are accusing me of what, exactly? I owned the Blu-Ray. I watched it once. Then I watched some scenes here and there and then I sold it because I thought it was crap. As others here have said, it's just not good at all. Had they dropped some useless lossless tracks it certainly would have had more breathing room. It's a downright nasty encode.
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Exactly what does this mean? There is little doubt that being in film, below the line, is no picnic because of the continual time pressure.
First of all, he was not low level. He was also not an actor. And what I mean is, the work was so chaotic, so strenuous and at times so unnecessarily long, it took a physical toll. Wong Kar Wai makes Kubrick look perfectly sane and fast.

In the end he simply had enough and rather than risk his health (he's near retirement age) he decided it wasn't worth it anymore. He now does charity work and is absolutely happy.
post #35 of 108
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Uh, so you are accusing me of what, exactly? I owned the Blu-Ray. I watched it once. Then I watched some scenes here and there and then I sold it because I thought it was crap. As others here have said, it's just not good at all. Had they dropped some useless lossless tracks it certainly would have had more breathing room. It's a downright nasty encode.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. I just don't agree with it. There are some movies that need to be seen more than once.
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First of all, he was not low level. He was also not an actor. And what I mean is, the work was so chaotic, so strenuous and at times so unnecessarily long, it took a physical toll. Wong Kar Wai makes Kubrick look perfectly sane and fast.

So it is your view that BTL people are low level? Well, try and make a movie without them. What you describe is the movie business and working with perfectionists.
post #36 of 108
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First of all, he was not low level. He was also not an actor. And what I mean is, the work was so chaotic, so strenuous and at times so unnecessarily long, it took a physical toll. Wong Kar Wai makes Kubrick look perfectly sane and fast.

In the end he simply had enough and rather than risk his health (he's near retirement age) he decided it wasn't worth it anymore. He now does charity work and is absolutely happy.
OK, thanx for the info.smile.gif
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Carl this transfer is horrible. The worst I have seen on Bluray. What are you talking about?
Yup, this BD should have been re-named 'House of Flying Artifacts'
post #38 of 108
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Carl this transfer is horrible. The worst I have seen on Bluray. What are you talking about?
Yup, this BD should have been re-named 'House of Flying Artifacts'

 

That is a real shame. As a big fan of In the Mood for Love and 2046, I was just about to go to Amazon to buy it. But if the PQ and/or SQ is poor, I won't bother. Might rent it though as I love this guy's work.

post #39 of 108
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That is a real shame. As a big fan of In the Mood for Love and 2046, I was just about to go to Amazon to buy it. But if the PQ and/or SQ is poor, I won't bother. Might rent it though as I love this guy's work.

This should be seen on a big screen at the theater.
post #40 of 108
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That is a real shame. As a big fan of In the Mood for Love and 2046, I was just about to go to Amazon to buy it. But if the PQ and/or SQ is poor, I won't bother. Might rent it though as I love this guy's work.

This should be seen on a big screen at the theater.

 

Big screen at the home theatre any good?

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Big screen at the home theatre any good?

Maybe if it is 110" or bigger. Still preferable to see it on a good big screen. I saw it at The Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences in Beverly Hills, CA.
post #42 of 108
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Big screen at the home theatre any good?

Maybe if it is 110" or bigger. Still preferable to see it on a good big screen. I saw it at The Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences in Beverly Hills, CA.

 

Respect. I have been to that theater. It rocks. I only wish I had it on my doorstep... (not to mention your weather - we have started Fall in the UK now... it is chilly).

post #43 of 108
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That is a real shame. As a big fan of In the Mood for Love and 2046, I was just about to go to Amazon to buy it. But if the PQ and/or SQ is poor, I won't bother. Might rent it though as I love this guy's work.
Worth a rental. Apparently not all transfers are created equal for this movie (from reading posts in this thread, the French BD seems to be better than the HK release). IF you end up liking the movie, then wait to see if another release (US?) comes out with a better transfer.
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That is a real shame. As a big fan of In the Mood for Love and 2046, I was just about to go to Amazon to buy it. But if the PQ and/or SQ is poor, I won't bother. Might rent it though as I love this guy's work.
Worth a rental. Apparently not all transfers are created equal for this movie (from reading posts in this thread, the French BD seems to be better than the HK release). IF you end up liking the movie, then wait to see if another release (US?) comes out with a better transfer.

 

Yes, I've had to search out alternative transfers quite often for some of my more 'obscure' movie titles. This seems to be especially so in my case for martial arts movies where, at one time at least, anything imported from Hong Kong seemed to have a 'definite HK 'look'' - high contrast, blown highlights, strange colour timing and so on.  Fortunately, a lot of these Directors, such as Kar Wai Wong in this discussion have become more mainstream now and their work is released across the world. Some of course, take a bow John Woo, have become mainstream Hollywood in their own right, although not always with great success. I am currently enjoying the work of a few Korean directors too and have had no problems with consistency in their transfers.

post #45 of 108
I imported the yes Asia version. I was not distracted by the imperfections as others were. I would be wiling to double dip later for a better transfer but I am happy to be able to enjoy this version now. No guarantee of a remaster with English subtitles. I'm still waiting on 2046!
post #46 of 108
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I imported the yes Asia version. I was not distracted by the imperfections as others were. I would be wiling to double dip later for a better transfer but I am happy to be able to enjoy this version now. No guarantee of a remaster with English subtitles. I'm still waiting on 2046!

 

Yep - I have 2046 on DVD - I'd love to see that beautiful cinematography on BD.

post #47 of 108
I watched the HK Blu-ray last night with my wife. The picture is pretty hit or miss and very distracting. Lots of compression noise, banding and inconsistency in detail. The sound was far better than the video. I enjoyed the movie as a whole but thought it would have benefitted a lot from some editing. There is a LOT of exposition that doesn't fit well and even some of the character work is odd. Was I the only one that was left wondering at the end of the movie who "The Razor" was and why the hell he was even in the movie? Wai set up the character multiple times throughout the film only to never go anywhere with him. I also thought the ending was a bit abrupt overall with no real closure on Ip and where he ended up later. Has Wai said anything about a follow up and that is why there are so many loose ends?

I really hope that any eventual US release has a profoundly better video transfer as this was a good looking film. It would be interesting to see what was cut for the US release. I saw a lot of room for cuts and I love drawn out character dramas.
post #48 of 108
Been following this thread for a while. I guess I'll hold off on the BD purchase till I determine which one is the worthwhile purchase.


Max
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I watched the HK Blu-ray last night with my wife. The picture is pretty hit or miss and very distracting. Lots of compression noise, banding and inconsistency in detail. The sound was far better than the video. I enjoyed the movie as a whole but thought it would have benefitted a lot from some editing. There is a LOT of exposition that doesn't fit well and even some of the character work is odd. Was I the only one that was left wondering at the end of the movie who "The Razor" was and why the hell he was even in the movie? Wai set up the character multiple times throughout the film only to never go anywhere with him. I also thought the ending was a bit abrupt overall with no real closure on Ip and where he ended up later. Has Wai said anything about a follow up and that is why there are so many loose ends?

I really hope that any eventual US release has a profoundly better video transfer as this was a good looking film. It would be interesting to see what was cut for the US release. I saw a lot of room for cuts and I love drawn out character dramas.

Some sequences were cut and some were added into the US version. The Razor is a bit confusing, but if you see the US version it should be a bit more clear. Actually, it is beneficial to see both versions. Because you have the HK BR, go back and watch it a second time.
post #50 of 108
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I watched the HK Blu-ray last night with my wife. The picture is pretty hit or miss and very distracting. Lots of compression noise, banding and inconsistency in detail. The sound was far better than the video. I enjoyed the movie as a whole but thought it would have benefitted a lot from some editing. There is a LOT of exposition that doesn't fit well and even some of the character work is odd. Was I the only one that was left wondering at the end of the movie who "The Razor" was and why the hell he was even in the movie? Wai set up the character multiple times throughout the film only to never go anywhere with him. I also thought the ending was a bit abrupt overall with no real closure on Ip and where he ended up later. Has Wai said anything about a follow up and that is why there are so many loose ends?

I really hope that any eventual US release has a profoundly better video transfer as this was a good looking film. It would be interesting to see what was cut for the US release. I saw a lot of room for cuts and I love drawn out character dramas.

Some sequences were cut and some were added into the US version. The Razor is a bit confusing, but if you see the US version it should be a bit more clear. Actually, it is beneficial to see both versions. Because you have the HK BR, go back and watch it a second time.
Which BD would you recommend?


Max
post #51 of 108
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Been following this thread for a while. I guess I'll hold off on the BD purchase till I determine which one is the worthwhile purchase.


Max

 

Yep - same decision I came to. In the meantime I'm going to rent it.

post #52 of 108
http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/interview-wong-kar-wai

Jake Mulligan :
I've seen two different cuts of the film, and there was plenty of "exclusive" footage in each. If it weren't for that lack of patience among audiences, would you like to release a version that comprises most of the footage, one that would be as long as most Leone movies? Or are the running times dictated by other things?

Wong :
Yeah, sadly, today, the distribution of films is very competitive, so in China we can afford to release this film at two hours and 10 minutes, but we have an obligation to release this film under two hours in the United States. But I don't just want to do a shorter version, do some trimming, take out some scenes, because I think the structure of the Chinese version is very delicate, and very precise. So instead I want to do a new version, I want to tell this story in a different way. And in fact, American cinema, besides Chinese cinema, has the longest history with kung-fu films. So I think we can focus and go directly to the story. In the Chinese version, it's really about time. And here [in the U.S.] it's really about character. We follow the story of Ip Man and go through this world of martial arts.
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Certainly worth a read. Thanks.

As to which version to purchase, the US version is much more straight forward. Both versions can stand on their own, but I will buy the US version once it is released for the sake of completeness. The French version is of no use to me because it probably doesn't have English subtitles.
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http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/interview-wong-kar-wai

Jake Mulligan :
I've seen two different cuts of the film, and there was plenty of "exclusive" footage in each. If it weren't for that lack of patience among audiences, would you like to release a version that comprises most of the footage, one that would be as long as most Leone movies? Or are the running times dictated by other things?

Wong :
Yeah, sadly, today, the distribution of films is very competitive, so in China we can afford to release this film at two hours and 10 minutes, but we have an obligation to release this film under two hours in the United States. But I don't just want to do a shorter version, do some trimming, take out some scenes, because I think the structure of the Chinese version is very delicate, and very precise. So instead I want to do a new version, I want to tell this story in a different way. And in fact, American cinema, besides Chinese cinema, has the longest history with kung-fu films. So I think we can focus and go directly to the story. In the Chinese version, it's really about time. And here [in the U.S.] it's really about character. We follow the story of Ip Man and go through this world of martial arts.
Interesting, thanks for posting this.
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Yup, this BD should have been re-named 'House of Flying Artifacts'
Hilarious way to describe. And true.

It won't be long for another Blu-Ray is released. We will likely have multiple Blu-Rays of multiple versions over the coming years so prepare for double and triple dipping.
post #57 of 108
A NA BD is coming on November 28, as per Anchor Bay. (Yes, it's the 108m Weinstein-approved cut.)
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post #59 of 108
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And now you know the story, as Bruce Lee's uncle says in Enter the Dragon. Now for the four hour version? biggrin.gif
post #60 of 108
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Now available for pre-order from Amazon for $16.99, but the info seems odd: 1.85:1 aspect ratio and running time of 130 minutes.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ET2ODX0/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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