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post #61 of 108
Amazon's info is likely incorrect--unless Anchor Bay and TWC are pulling a monster swerve, there's no way the NA BD can be anything other than the TWC-mandated 108m cut. (That said, while the 1.85:1 AR is probably wrong as well, there's a little cynical voice in my head saying it'd just figure...)

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post #62 of 108
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The release date of 11/26 for the US version has been canceled and there is none listed.
post #63 of 108
Hmm. I wonder if it's hoping beyond hope that TWC is bringing the original theatrical version to NA after all...no, that'd be too easy...
post #64 of 108
My guess is they're waiting to see if it gets any Oscar traction. I'm not counting on it given the Academy's near-indifference to Asian cinema, Wong Kar-wai included (this is an institution that thought Everybody Famous! was a better film than In the Mood for Love), but who knows with Weinstein.
post #65 of 108
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According to Amazon: release date is March 4 with a running time of 130 minutes.
post #66 of 108
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According to Amazon: release date is March 4 with a running time of 130 minutes.
Thanx!cool.gif
post #67 of 108
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post #68 of 108
Thanx for the link.
I have been waiting a long time for this BD...Day 1 purchase.smile.gif
post #69 of 108
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Thanx for the link.
I have been waiting a long time for this BD...Day 1 purchase.smile.gif
I think you'll like it. The review is bit harsh on the film. Let us know what you think. when you get to see it. smile.gif
post #70 of 108
Is this (US) version cut? Blu-Ray.com says it's 108 minutes long. Amazon says 130... Does anyone know which is correct ?
post #71 of 108
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Is this (US) version cut? Blu-Ray.com says it's 108 minutes long. Amazon says 130... Does anyone know which is correct ?

Most likely it is the 108 minute version, forced upon us by Weinstein. There may never be a single definitive version, thus forcing those with any interest to buy the Hong Kong version which with the upcoming 108 minute version would be as definitive as is possible today. But there is always the possibility of Wong Kar Wai re-editing or re-cutting the movie. Can always hope for a Criterion version that might be a longshot.
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Most likely it is the 108 minute version, forced upon us by Weinstein. There may never be a single definitive version, thus forcing those with any interest to buy the Hong Kong version which with the upcoming 108 minute version would be as definitive as is possible today. But there is always the possibility of Wong Kar Wai re-editing or re-cutting the movie. Can always hope for a Criterion version that might be a longshot.
It's hard to say, but judging by what WKW has said this may be as good as it gets for us in the U.S.rolleyes.gif
post #73 of 108
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It's hard to say, but judging by what WKW has said this may be as good as it gets for us in the U.S.rolleyes.gif

Having heard WKW talk about this at The Academy's screening of the 108 minute Weinstein version, essentially what he said that his films are never completely finished, implying that there could be another version later on. But you are right, no point in holding one's breath because who knows when it will materialize, if ever.
post #74 of 108
The official BDInfo scan from my review copy:

AVC 1:48:15 28,025,573,376 44,502,844,545 34.52 29.70 DTS-HD Master 5.1

No, I have not yet gotten the chance to sit down and watch it. I just wanted to confirm the running time.
post #75 of 108
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The official BDInfo scan from my review copy:

AVC 1:48:15 28,025,573,376 44,502,844,545 34.52 29.70 DTS-HD Master 5.1

No, I have not yet gotten the chance to sit down and watch it. I just wanted to confirm the running time.
OK, it's confirmed: 108 minutes.
post #76 of 108
Another beautiful film by Wong Kar Wai but there are some shockingly bad moments of video quality in it. I'm no stranger to Hong Kong cinema but in certain moments it felt like the second-unit shots were made in SD.eek.gif It's hard to tell if the Weinstein Company is at fault or this is how the film was shot.
post #77 of 108
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Another beautiful film by Wong Kar Wai but there are some shockingly bad moments of video quality in it. I'm no stranger to Hong Kong cinema but in certain moments it felt like the second-unit shots were made in SD.eek.gif It's hard to tell if the Weinstein Company is at fault or this is how the film was shot.
This is unfortunate......frown.gif


I am about to pull the trigger on this.
Can anyone point me to a better release that will play in my Oppo?
post #78 of 108
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This is unfortunate......frown.gif


I am about to pull the trigger on this.
Can anyone point me to a better release that will play in my Oppo?

No, and none are likely to be cheaper than $14.99 from Amazon. There is also the Hong Kong version at $40+ from YesAsia. Take your pick.
post #79 of 108
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There is also the Hong Kong version at $40+ from YesAsia.
Is it the original cut?
post #80 of 108
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Is it the original cut?

One of them. Different versions have actually screened, say at the Berlin Film festival or so I am told, not having been there. It was probably there that Weinstein decided to buy the rights to it, but that is just speculation on my part. Would suggest those interested in getting the $14.99 version, first, and if really curious then getting the HK version. They are two very different films because of the editing done by WKW, at the behest of Weinstein.
post #81 of 108
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One of them. Different versions have actually screened, say at the Berlin Film festival or so I am told, not having been there. It was probably there that Weinstein decided to buy the rights to it, but that is just speculation on my part. Would suggest those interested in getting the $14.99 version, first, and if really curious then getting the HK version. They are two very different films because of the editing done by WKW, at the behest of Weinstein.
This is frustrating.
What I want is Wong Kar Wai's definitive cut....sounds like it doesn't exist.frown.gif
post #82 of 108
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This is frustrating.
What I want is Wong Kar Wai's definitive cut....sounds like it doesn't exist.frown.gif

That is correct. But each of the cuts stands on its own, without prior knowledge of the two, one would never know.
post #83 of 108
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That is correct. But each of the cuts stands on its own, without prior knowledge of the two, one would never know.
OK, thanx.
Guess I'll spring for the $15 release tomorrow.
post #84 of 108
The 108-minute cut we get from the Weinstein Company is not a hacked-up movie. There was only one brief cut that seemed like a scene had been left out, the edits and transitions are masterful for the most part. From what I've heard the longer Hong Kong theatrical cut had more of a focus on the various martial arts schools and their styles.

If it had been financially feasible, I think Wong Kar Wai had enough material for two movies or one very long epic.

The Hong Kong Blu-ray does include a 7.1 surround track. This BD only has a 5.1 DTS-HD MA mix.
post #85 of 108
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The 108-minute cut we get from the Weinstein Company is not a hacked-up movie. There was only one brief cut that seemed like a scene had been left out, the edits and transitions are masterful for the most part. From what I've heard the longer Hong Kong theatrical cut had more of a focus on the various martial arts schools and their styles.

If it had been financially feasible, I think Wong Kar Wai had enough material for two movies or one very long epic.

The Hong Kong Blu-ray does include a 7.1 surround track. This BD only has a 5.1 DTS-HD MA mix.

Having seen them both, your conclusions are incorrect. Yes, WKW had plenty of material and could have done a 3 or 4 hour movie. The 130 minute version is complete in itself, but does not have some scenes that are seen in the 108 minute, Weinstein version. Consider the title of the movie and take into consideration that at one time it could have been plural. The obvious question is who is the Grandmaster? That depends upon which version one watches.
post #86 of 108
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The 108-minute cut we get from the Weinstein Company is not a hacked-up movie. There was only one brief cut that seemed like a scene had been left out, the edits and transitions are masterful for the most part. From what I've heard the longer Hong Kong theatrical cut had more of a focus on the various martial arts schools and their styles.

If it had been financially feasible, I think Wong Kar Wai had enough material for two movies or one very long epic.

The Hong Kong Blu-ray does include a 7.1 surround track. This BD only has a 5.1 DTS-HD MA mix.

Having seen them both, your conclusions are incorrect. Yes, WKW had plenty of material and could have done a 3 or 4 hour movie. The 130 minute version is complete in itself, but does not have some scenes that are seen in the 108 minute, Weinstein version. Consider the title of the movie and take into consideration that at one time it could have been plural. The obvious question is who is the Grandmaster? That depends upon which version one watches.
To what are you referring? I know there was a lot of material on the cutting room floor. I never claimed the 130 minute cut was incomplete.
post #87 of 108
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To what are you referring? I know there was a lot of material on the cutting room floor. I never claimed the 130 minute cut was incomplete.

Never said or implied that. I just take exception to your use of "hacked up". Now if you actually saw both of them, then you are entitled to your opinion, but you haven't. Always amusing to read comments by people who haven't seen what they are commenting about or in this case actually listen to WKW at The Academy for the Weinstein screening of this movie.
post #88 of 108
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To what are you referring? I know there was a lot of material on the cutting room floor. I never claimed the 130 minute cut was incomplete.

Never said or implied that. I just take exception to your use of "hacked up". Now if you actually saw both of them, then you are entitled to your opinion, but you haven't. Always amusing to read comments by people who haven't seen what they are commenting about or in this case actually listen to WKW at The Academy for the Weinstein screening of this movie.
I said it wasn't hacked up, if you read my original statement correctly. I think most people at first blush would incorrectly assume the shorter movie is simply a cut-down version of the longer 130 version.
post #89 of 108
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I said it wasn't hacked up, if you read my original statement correctly. I think most people at first blush would incorrectly assume the shorter movie is simply a cut-down version of the longer 130 version.

OK, apologies.
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OK, apologies.
No worries, it's a very good movie either way.
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