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post #31 of 104
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Ported is the one with the extra hole? (sorry for my lack of knowledge)
post #32 of 104
The ported sub is the one with the port (the PB-1000). wink.gif The SB-1000 is a sealed sub.

+1 to the PB-1000. And +1 to getting it directly from SVS. smile.gif
post #33 of 104
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The ported sub is the one with the port (the PB-1000). wink.gif The SB-1000 is a sealed sub.

+1 to the PB-1000. And +1 to getting it directly from SVS. smile.gif

Thanks. Any thoughts on which way to lean?
post #34 of 104
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Any thoughts on which way to lean?
Yup: The PB-1000.
post #35 of 104
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Yup: The PB-1000.

I meant between Pioneer and Klipsch.

The Klipsch are definitely a step up and still keep me within my $4000 total budget. My thought, and maybe I should post this in the visual area, was to put the $1000 difference towards a better screen or projector.
post #36 of 104
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I meant between Pioneer and Klipsch.
Oh. Well, in this thread I indicated that I'd likely pick the Klipsch speakers over the Pioneer speakers. And that's still the way I'd go.
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Those Pioneer's blow my mind for the price I paid. ... But then I switch over the Klipsch ... and that Klipsch brings a new layer to the sound, more immersive. The Pioneer's feel a bit muddy but still very strong.
So, is it worth getting inexpensive and settling with it when you've heard - and can afford - better? IMO, no. YMMV.

But my opinion isn't a knock against the Pioneers. They're well-rated and they're very well-priced - that's a hell of a combination. And if that's good enough for you, buy them. If it's not, buy the Klipsch.

And enjoy. smile.gif
Edited by eljaycanuck - 6/18/13 at 3:47pm
post #37 of 104
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Who makes the SVS? Makes me a bit cautious as I've never heard of them.

I was thinking Klipsch or Velodyne.
post #38 of 104
SVS makes SVS. They're a well-respected Internet-direct (ID) company that's been around for years. They are mostly known for their well-rated subwoofers, but they also make fairly well-rated speakers. And, by all accounts, their customer service is top-notch.

If you were in the States, I'd suggest you keep an eye out for a sale on the Klipsch RW-12d at Newegg.com - it has frequently been on sale for $300 or less - but in Canada there is no such deal on that sub. And I wouldn't buy any other Klipsch sub.
Edited by eljaycanuck - 6/18/13 at 3:54pm
post #39 of 104
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Any other recommendations, maybe something more known...not that those are out, just cautious.

Taking the Energy back tonight, probably the Pioneer's too. I like them, but as I compare them they are definitely a step down. Can't say Klipsch blew them away, but the Klipsch is very strong. Seeing a lot of reviews (yep, a bit ADD apparently) of the Polks too. They get top ratings at Consumers and Top10Reviews. Do they stack up against the Klipsch?

Any other towers I should put against the Klipsch?
post #40 of 104
If you lived in the Ottawa Valley, I'd recommend you give these gently-used Paradigm Studio-series speakers a demo. The 60v2s, CCv2 and 20v2s for ~$1,100 would be a very sweet 5.0 package.
post #41 of 104
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If you lived in the Ottawa Valley, I'd recommend you give these gently-used Paradigm Studio-series speakers a demo. The 60v2s, CCv2 and 20v2s for ~$1,100 would be a very sweet 5.0 package.

Yeah, that's a bit away from ATL.

The BIC Acoustech PL-200 gets good reviews too.
Is that Klipsch as good as the SVS? Looks like I can easily get the Klipsch for $350, though I'll keep my eye on NewEgg.


So before I commit to the Klipsch, anything else in that price point, $1000 for the 5 speakers, that I should give a listen?

You've been super helpful and make this SO much less stressful.
post #42 of 104
I don't know that the Klipsch is as good as the PB-1000, but it's a well-rated sub for the money - and I'd take one over the BIC - so if you can get one for $350, go for it.

Re. speakers, I'd suggest you consider gently-used gear off canuckaudiomart.com, used[yourcity].com or [yourcity].kijiji.ca. I'm partial to older Paradigm speakers, but Energy, PSB and Polk speakers are also quite good.
post #43 of 104
hey mbuck, going back to what Bill Fitzmaurice said, there isn't any advantages to getting tower speakers when you are using a good sub. What I would advise is get some bookshelf speakers for the front stage instead of towers. Check out the Klipsch RB-51 or RB-61, they will make a lot more sense when used with a sub. You get the same crisp treble with good mids. I think they are cheaper than the RF-42s as well. For a center, go for a RC-52 or RC-62.

For surround speakers, skip the RS bipole-type speakers, and just get bookshelf speakers, they will sound better and save you money as well. If you can wait, you can get the Infinity Primus p163 bookshelf speakers at Fry's for as little as $60 each, that makes expanding out to 7.1 really cheap. They are relatively powerful bookshelf speakers and sound great, so do not hold their sale price against them or think they are crap speakers- believe me, they are not. If you want good affordable speakers for surrounds now and don't feel like waiting for a sale at Fry's, check out the Behringer 2030p speakers for $100 each, they are excellent, very high performers and very high bang for the buck.

For bookshelf speaker mounts, use the Videosecu side-clamping mounts, I recommend these so much I must sound like a broken record, but they really are terrific mounts and extremely cheap too. They can hold 30 lbs speakers and you do not even have to drill screw holes into the speakers like most other mounts require. No other mount does that except for the Pinpoint Am40s, but those are twice as expensive and not really any better.

As for subwoofers, I would go with either the Hsu VTF2 mk4, Rythmik FV12r, or Outlaw LFM-1 Plus. They are all around $600 to $650 shipped, and will blow away both the SVS and Klipsch subs, they are another level of performance. If you can afford more, check out the VTF3, it is a low frequency beast, it can dig down nearly as low as humans can perceive low frequency bass.
post #44 of 104
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I did grab a pair of Energy bookshelf speakers, and even with a sub, it just didn't seem to hold up to the towers. I'll have to give them a listen before giving up on them though now that you mention that.

As for subs, I don't want big booming house shaking sound...that'll get shot down with my darling wife. Seems a lot of advise here is to spend the most on subs, why is that? (learning a lot here)
post #45 of 104
It makes sense to spend the most on subs because they have the heaviest lifting to do in sound reproduction. For bass to be heard, a lot more air needs to be moved than treble frequencies. The difference in air displacement from a tweeter and mid woofer to a subwoofer is huge. A lot more power is needed to move a big woofer than a tiny tweeter, and so subwoofers usually have to be self-amplified as well since their energy loads would be too much for common receivers.

If you don't want the subwoofer bothering the wife, my advice is use near-field placement, if you can. Near-field placement is where the subwoofer is placed very close to the listening position, like as an end table or right behind the seat. This way you can hear good bass without having the subwoofer volume jacked way up as you would if the sub were on the far side of the room. Bass is going to travel through the walls no matter what, you can't really stop that; the louder the subwoofer plays the more sound will leak to other area s of the house, so the best solution is simply not have the sub play as loud, and near-field placement accomplishes that without giving as much up in dynamics. This placement has other benefits; since the woofer isn't strained as hard to produce the same loudness, it will produce a much cleaner sound with lower distortion. Another benefit of not being pushed as hard is the sub will last longer, since the amp and driver do not generate as much heat or mechanical exertion. What's more is there is a greater 'feel' in near-field placement, you get a more visceral punch along with the bass sound itself.
post #46 of 104
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Seems a lot of advise here is to spend the most on subs, why is that?
Simple physics. Each one octave drop in frequency results in a doubling of the wavelength. That means that each one octave drop in frequency requires either eight times the cabinet size or four times the power handling capacity or a mixture of size and power handling capacity that gives the equivalent result for equal output.
post #47 of 104
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I did give the Energy bookshelfs a spin, they just didn't match up to either tower.

I have officially boxed up all the speakers except for....

The Klipsch speakers. They're just great sounding speakers, giving the most movie like experience.

If you're looking at the Pioneer's do yourself a favor. Buy them. Don't compare them to a big hitter like the Klipsch. If I had simply bought them based on the great reviews I'm certain I would've been happy. They would've done the job really well. But for me, these are the speakers I will have in that home theater permanently. So I wanted the best I could get with the budget I had.

The soundtrack that did it in for me: Sweeny Todd, the track after he lets the governor go. Klipsch brought it to life.

All that said, when I return the other speakers I may grab a pair of larger, higher end, bookshelf speakers as many of you are pointing in that direction. Certainly worth a quick listen. I'm thinking the Klipsch, but are there other brands, that I could get my hands on that you'd recommend?
post #48 of 104
Since you are near a Fry's, look at the Infinity Primus p363. In my opinion, they might not have as dynamic highs as the Klipsch, but their mids will be way better. Sometimes Fry's puts them on sale for as little as $110 each.
post #49 of 104
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My local Fry's has the Klipsch SW-112 for $455. Is it worth it and what's the real world difference from the RW12D?
post #50 of 104
See if you can find some Cambridge Audio S30s locally to hear (bookshelves) - I'd buy 3 sets and go 6.1. In that room, might want 2 subs in the long run. No problem to start with one. I didn't see your budget, but that is one of the best economy options that I can suggest.
post #51 of 104
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Yeah, I'm still on the fence about bookshelf. The towers are just really strong. I do have some of the Klipsch 52 bookshelf's that I'm testing and they do sound really nice; but only saving $300 compared the full tower.
post #52 of 104
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My local Fry's has the Klipsch SW-112 for $455. Is it worth it and what's the real world difference from the RW12D?

Spces say the RW-12d digs slightly deeper but otherwise similar performance. Are you willing to pay up to $150+ more for the SW-112?

http://www.klipsch.com/rw-12d-subwoofer

http://www.klipsch.com/sw-112-subwoofer
post #53 of 104
That Klipsch RW-12D is a good sub, I would stick with it. You will need to step up to the ~$600 mark to get a significant performance increase. Hell if you really want to make the bass sound great, get 2! cool.gif
post #54 of 104
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Spces say the RW-12d digs slightly deeper but otherwise similar performance. Are you willing to pay up to $150+ more for the SW-112?

I'm willing if it gave a better sound, but since it doesn't sound like it does I'll put that money towards the nice projector or screen.
post #55 of 104
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Anyone know how the Klipsch S-10 pair match up to the RB-52 pair?

I don't know if multi-directional is as awesome as the ht guy said it was (he was trying to sell Paradigms) but maybe an option?

I'll be running either the RB-52s or RF-52 for the front, likely the RW12D for subwoofer.
post #56 of 104
Yes, the S-10 will be fine as surrounds. They don't have to be an exact match since they are surrounds. Plus they're a lot cheaper than the RS-41.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RS41IIB/Klipsch-Reference-RS-41-II.html?tp=190
post #57 of 104
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Will they sound better than the RB-52? I'm spending the big dollars on the towers, if the RB-52 or even RS-41 is the best option, I'd rather do it right and spend a little extra...but only if it'll make a noticeable difference.
post #58 of 104
That's going to be a listener preference. Some people prefer a direct radiating speaker like a bookshelf while others prefer a bipole/dipole speaker. Klipsch calls their technology Wide Dispersion Surround Technology instead of bipole or dipole.

If it was me I'd get the S-10's since they're $120/pr and use the $200+ you're saving on a better subwoofer than the RW12d

The RW-12d is fine for $300-$350 but you can do better at a $500+ price point.

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000#.UcNb2dh4WlE

http://outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html

http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455821/please-help-rythmik-lv12r-outlaw-audio-lfm-1-plus-hsu-vtf-2-mk4

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1476793/whats-the-best-sub-for-the-money-max-500
post #59 of 104
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Adding another option to the mix, in-wall.

Went to a theater store today and one of there rooms had a setup with Klipsch R-1650-W.

I've read and researched, but can't get good info on what you gain/lose compared to freestanding.

Thoughts?
Edited by mbuck - 6/22/13 at 7:28pm
post #60 of 104
The problem with in-walls is that speaker placement has a big effect on the sound. With in-walls, there is no ability to adjust the angle or position of the speaker once you set it in. If you don't do it right the first time, it's a real pain to adjust it.
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