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post #61 of 104
What about the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE? $500 per pair, $300 for the center. It's probably what I am going to buy after recommendations on this website. I have been reading all the consumer and professional reviews and it seems hard to beat. It's difficult for me to audition anything decent in this town.
post #62 of 104
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Ok. Do you think that's the best option to look at? Is that better than Klipsch floorstanding and Klipsch RC-42 combo?

I had my eye on the Denon, it seemed to get the best reviews and kept coming to the top, maybe spend a little extra and get the Denon AVR-2113CI?

You could go with book shelf L/R maybe Rb 61 II and a RC62 II center. All the woofers would be the same size and they would less than two towers.You could get a set of $35 omni mounts for the LR. the 2113 could easily power the klipsch. Although the sound is not for everyone, I demoned the Ascends and found them nice but nothing to write home about. I like the klipsch sound far more and dont think I will be switching brands anytime soon.
post #63 of 104
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If I stick w bookshelf or towers, I'll stay with Klipsch...I like the sound, for me the horn makes it feel like a movie.

Just not sure what I'll lose if I go in-wall. The small shop that were showing me the in walls were using what I think was a lower end Klipsch in wall. I'll probably stop by and take another look. At $125 each it sure beats the price of the towers or bookshelf.

I do think if I go in wall it'll just be for the front and go with Klipsch's multi-directional for surround.

Not sure the in wall setup is worth the extra construction and some loss of dynamic sound. The Klipsch towers are powerful as are the bookshelfs.
post #64 of 104
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

You could go with book shelf L/R maybe Rb 61 II and a RC62 II center. All the woofers would be the same size and they would less than two towers.You could get a set of $35 omni mounts for the LR. the 2113 could easily power the klipsch. Although the sound is not for everyone, I demoned the Ascends and found them nice but nothing to write home about. I like the klipsch sound far more and dont think I will be switching brands anytime soon.

Right now I'm actually listening between the Klipsch Rf51 and Rb51 and powering it with a Pioneer SC61 (great deal for $600 at BB). The towers are very strong but the bookshelf sounds great too. Hadn't considered a step up to the larger bookshelf, that might make a more even fight.

At the end of the day, I'm in a mid-size 12x19 room...so probably not a ton of real use difference. I'm sure either direction will be great and a step up from the small satellite Polk package (their lower end) I used to have...and shoot, I used to really enjoy that.
post #65 of 104
If they are in your budget then go with the larger speakers. The RC52 II and RB 51II would also sound great together. The larger speakers will sound better and I would suggest spending most of your money on the center channel considering this is for movies. You might want to give AVS a call, they have some real good prices if you give them a call.
post #66 of 104
I'll make one more push for bookshelves and a good sub. My room is about the same size as yours, and I just went from towers to bookshelves and would never consider going back. I would recommend the PSB B6 bookshelf and C5 center channel. They're available from crutchfield, who has a 60 day return shipping policy where all you pay is a $7 flat rate and they send you a shipping label. My sub is an HSU VTF2-MKIV and I would recommend it 110%. Worst case scenario, you try the PSBs and don't like them and you're out 7 bucks. I think it's been said in this thread already but I'll reiterate that with bookshelves you can get much better components at a better price vs. tower speakers. With a very good subwoofer, all of those low notes will be handled by the sub (better than by towers most likely) and you'll never miss them in the speakers. Good luck with everything. Sounds like you're having some fun with the shopping process already!
post #67 of 104
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That's a great point that I didn't put together; spend the same money on bookshelf speakers as I would towers ($300 each), get better components.

Some say that the ideal situation is the speakers behind the screen, in-walls, is this true? With a little adjustment I could go that route, but not entirely convinced (and don't care if they're "hidden")

I didn't know about Crutchfield's return policy, that makes it very easy. I'll give that a look, though they're sold out of the PSBs right now.

What other higher level bookshelf speaker would you consider? I'll probably look at the Klipsch 61s along with their bi-directional for the surround but certainly open to other brands. I do like the Klipsch, their horn, for me, makes it sound movie like.
post #68 of 104
HTD.com offers what appear to be some fantastic speakers at a great price and offers a 30 in-home trial. For sake of comparisons you could also give the Polk Rti A3's a shot. They're supposed to be well suited for theater settings. Crutchfield does seem to be sold out of the black PSBs, but if these are going behind a screen does the color really matter to you? I would also strongly consider the HSU horn bookshelves:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

and matching center channel

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hc-1.html

actually, on second thought... just get the Hybrid 2 5.1 package and be done with it! biggrin.gif
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2pkg.html
post #69 of 104
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They'll only go in the wall if I go with speakers especially made to go in-wall.

That Hybrid 5.1 system is less than what I was considering with the Klipsch tower system.

I've never heard of the Hybrid or PSB so looks like I have some more research ahead of me.
post #70 of 104
Hsu's subs are beasts, and much better than most of these others. Their speakers are good, but Hsu is known mostly for their high quality subs. Their speakers don't have that sizzling hot high end of Klipsch though, so you might not like them as much. You would love their 12" subs though, the VTF2 or VTF3, they are amazing.
post #71 of 104
I would only ever go in-wall if room aesthetics is the #1 consideration for your Home Theater. Speaker placement is so critical, you want the ability to adjust where you put your speakers for the best soundfield possible. That is very difficult to do with in-wall speakers as another poster mentioned above.
post #72 of 104
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I've just read some HT threads saying that putting them behind the screen makes it more immersive, not sure I buy that as it's maybe a foot difference so probably going to skip that direction.

Read a review for the Paradigm SHIFT A2 that were highly rated. It's at the top of my budget, but worth looking at. They say they are powered, does that mean I have to run power to it?

Saw them here: http://hometheaterreview.com/home-theater-reviews-best-of-2012-awards/

Also sounds like B&W 686 could be on the list, I've always heard great things about that brand.
post #73 of 104
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Found some open box B&W 685s, the HTM62 center and the ASW610 for $1200 at BB, so grabbed them all and will be giving them a spin tonight against the Klipsch. That's a great price for B&W.

My hunch is that I'll go with the B&W, seems they've thought out that center more than Klipsch. I may return the Subwoofer for one that y'all keep suggesting. We'll see.
post #74 of 104
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In many ways I couldn't tell much difference between the B&W and the Klipsch bookshelf. Keep in mind I'm not an audiophile and don't have a trained ear. As I continued to listen the B&W's were cleaner in some areas (gun fight scene in Mr & Mrs Smith).

I'm leaning back towards the Klipsch. I got a good price on those B&Ws but still have to buy surrounds and their multidirectional were a. huge and b. $850 for the pair! I've also read some negative reviews of B&Ws HTM62 center having a narrow sweet spot and just overall not great whereas the Klipsch get good reviews all around.

The B&Ws did sound great, but when I take into consideration their surround I'm up to $2k...a long way away from where I started ($350 pioneers).

After listening to the two and not seeing a HUGE difference, I did plug the Pioneers back in wondering if I didn't give them a fair chance as I had auditioned them without a sub. Nope, they just are a bit flat and miss the dimension that the others bring. Don't get me wrong, great speakers for the price and if they had been in place when I bought the house it probably wouldn't be a high priority to replace them. But I do want to do this right (and not destroy my budget).

So I will likely go with:

RB-52 for the front (though I may try the RB-41s...not convinced I need the 52s for my 12x19 room, thoughts there?)
RC-52 for the center
RS-41 for the surround

and then probably the rb12 or the SVS...though I may hold onto the Klipsch sub. Any thoughts on that subwoofer?

So that's $900 plus either $500, 400 or 350 for the sub.

All powered by my Pioneer SC61.
post #75 of 104
You realize that at some point you're actually going to have to make a purchase and live with it?
post #76 of 104
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You realize that at some point you're actually going to have to make a purchase and live with it?

Did my wife tell you to comment? I know. I know.

Pretty sure the above is what I'm going to go with.

Now onto the projector then the screen!
post #77 of 104
You did get a nice deal on the B&W's. Pair it up with a pair of 686's for surrounds for under $500.
post #78 of 104
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You did get a nice deal on the B&W's. Pair it up with a pair of 686's for surrounds for under $500.

That still puts me at $1700 vs. $1300-1500 w the Klipsch and I need to research that center a bit more. And I like the idea of the bidirectional speakers.

I'll give everything one more listen, but I don't want to put all my money into the sound, the system is for movies and games so the picture is paramount and the most wow factor.
post #79 of 104
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Originally Posted by mbuck View Post

That still puts me at $1700 vs. $1300-1500 w the Klipsch and I need to research that center a bit more. And I like the idea of the bidirectional speakers.

I'll give everything one more listen, but I don't want to put all my money into the sound, the system is for movies and games so the picture is paramount and the most wow factor.

I'd probably go with the Klipsch for HT. But if my system was mostly for music or even 50:50 HT:music the B&W would be my preference but that's just MHO. That HTM62 center isn't the best however. It would sound better with another 685 in that role (or the CMC2 but much too pricey). What really matters is what you prefer. That is a heck of a deal on the B&W setup. At MSRP, it would have been $1950.
post #80 of 104
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The deal makes it hard to turn down, but I just can't afford to finish it off correctly...and being movies and games only, not worth it. I may go give the Paradigm system a listen but that's probably going to push outside of my desired budget too.
post #81 of 104
If you're sold on the Klipsch set I'd suggest putting up a little extra for the RB-61 bookshelves and matching center. Unless you have the 51's already (I can't keep up with you man!) and like them. I'll still recommend the Hsu subs but I don't think you'd regret going with the SVS. If you do wind up going with the smaller bookshelves you're DEFINITELY going to want a sub that sounds really good in the 50-80Hz range as well as being able to dig deep for those movie soundtracks. You can get better info for that digging around in the Sub forums.

I would buy what you're happy with and don't skimp a few bucks unless you absolutely have to. Buying what you want now will help to hold off that upgrade bug that plagues us all.
post #82 of 104
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Great advice jm, I'm definitely trying to balance doing it right with budget creep.

With my 12x19 I'm a bit concerned with overpowering the room, we're not the type to blast a movie. I'm more interested in immersion than power.

But if you'd have to pick and choose, you'd suggest a better sub with the 51s, vs. say the 61s and a lesser sub?

I'll dig into the subwoofer threads and look between SVS, HSU and the Klipsch. Sounds like the main thing I should look for is the range?
post #83 of 104
I'm no expert by any means, but given the two options you've laid out there I would get the 51s and put the extra coin towards a sub.

You're looking for a sub that's going to be as FLAT as possible throughout its range. A lot of less-expensive subs will have some major peaks and dips in volume at certain frequencies - think of when you've been in someone's car and certain bass notes are WAY louder than others. If you're using this setup primarily for movies and games you've going to want a good sub, trust me. I spent years with a budget sub and kick myself for not upgrading sooner. The sub and the center channel are probably the two most important speakers in a theater setup. Don't skimp there. I know you've kicked around some budget numbers, but in real talk what are you looking to spend on a sub? Your room is almost the exact same dimensions as mine, and you're going to need a good sub to fill out your sound regardless of volume. You're not going to be very "immersed" if your sub just goes "rumble rumble" every once and I while with little clarity or detail.
post #84 of 104
Thread Starter 
Hoping in the $350-500 range, but I only want to do this once.
post #85 of 104
I would head over to the sub forums then, and run a search on the brands you're considering. I would also suggest calling hsu and svs to see what they suggest based on your room and needs. I think that for $600 you have some seriously good options.
post #86 of 104
Thread Starter 
One final question before I jump into the Klipsch.

In my 12x19 room, for movies and games, w the RB-52 and RC-52 up front do you recommend the RS-41 or RB-41 for surrounds? Or do I need to go the the RB-51 (the RS-52s seem huge and out of my price range).

Thanks everyone for your insight, truly appreciated.
post #87 of 104
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Final test drive: Paradigm bookshelf speakers. Going to put these up against the Klipsch bookshelf speakers to see which sound I like better. The dealer is trying to sell me the Paradigm subwoofer too (PDR-100), will try to talk him out of that and buy the SVS.

Price is pretty much the same, both comparable, but totally different sounds. Will be able to determine which I like best when they're side by side.
post #88 of 104
I'll lay my $ on the paradigm. Good call on the sub.
post #89 of 104
Yeah Paradigm makes some nice speakers. I'd probably prefer them over the Klipsch, but the price would be a big factor. Definitely go SVS or HSU for the sub. I'm sure the dealer would love to sell you more stuff though!
post #90 of 104
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Originally Posted by mbuck View Post

Final test drive: Paradigm bookshelf speakers. Going to put these up against the Klipsch bookshelf speakers to see which sound I like better.

Unless you compare them in your living room and match the levels you won't learn anything useful. The room profoundly affects what a speaker sounds like.
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The dealer is trying to sell me the Paradigm subwoofer too (PDR-100), will try to talk him out of that and buy the SVS.

That's all wrong, too. You don't talk him into anything. You tell him what you want and he either sells it to you for a competitive price or you walk.
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Price is pretty much the same, both comparable, but totally different sounds. Will be able to determine which I like best when they're side by side.

Furthermore you should be using this speakers with an AVR that has some kind of automated system tuning facility (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO) and it will significantly affect the system sound, usually in a good way.
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