Originally Posted by Chris_Stephens
Analog signals have this annoying habit of being degraded by things we cant completely measure with test equipment. I can easily demo differences in analog cables. Why these differences exist and what causes them is not what we want to get into on this thread of course as the normal war will develop between the factions on either side of the wire-makes-a-difference debacle. I will say right away so everybody knows, I hear differences in cables. In fact I can hear differences in digital audio cables and now even HDMI. Im also a die hard engineer.
So... with that said.. The systems I do all have expensive good runs of cable to the amps. You kinda toss out a lot of the goodness with that last 18" of breakout cable as that cable is, just by studio standards, not that great. By high end 2 channel audio standards its horrendous. IMHO. So its gotta go. Considering the truly epic nature of what is coming out of the RS20i it deserves a great breakout cable. You may think im completely crazy but $5000 sounds reasonable to me.
Before everybody clicks reply in a rage over wire, lets just all agree to disagree, hehehehe.. I think 10% of the system total with all the gear is a very reasonable amount to spend on interconnects. So if all the gear is say $500,000 then spending $50K on interconnects is reasonable and $5k for a breakout cable fits right in there.
So go ahead and count me as crazy. But good wire makes a difference. It can make or break a system. What I learned with the Datasat at this last install was that HDMI interconnects make a clear difference and up till then I had never heard any kind of difference before. The RS20i was just so good you could hear the differences that I know I can measure in jitter that come with different HDMI cables. The power cord was a surprize, I really didn't think it would matter on the RS20i, but it did. Who knows what influence the power cable had on things ?!?.
It all mattered. It was like dealing with a super high end 2 channel preamp and a turntable or high end DAC/Server. EVERYTHING mattered.
I admit this was all on crazy high end gear, your mileage may differ. But be aware, the RS20i is just insanely good and deserves good interconnects. Spend 10% of its cost on a break out cable. Also get a good short HDMI to DirecTV and BluRay. Audioquest and Wireworld make good ones at reasonable prices. Im not to sure yet on who makes the best sounding HDMI cables, thats new to me.
Hi Chris, first off, like you, the last thing I don't want to get into is the whole 'cable' debate, so I'm going to avoid any conversation on that specific topic. I will declare myself as a 'fence sitter' on the subject however - I have never gone to the trouble of trying to perform my own comparisons or blind test sessions, however my approach has always been to invest a little in slightly better than the vary basic cables to hedge my bets, so to speak, and have all elements of my system somewhat in balance.
With that in mind, I think you are right Chris in that any investment in cables has to be proportional to the system cost, clearly in a $500,000 system a $5,000 breakout cable is more in line, but likewise I think that would be disproportionate in a $100,000 system, and even less so on a $50,000 system..
It is probably also worth clarifying, I think you are referring to a break out cable with the 8 channels running directly to each amp input - is that right? If so this makes a little more sense as an investment rather than simply directly substituting the short one provided by Datasat, since the cost comparison therefore is your higher grade breakout cable, versus the Datasat breakout cable plus 8 separate runs of XLR cable.
Personally I have had my doubts about the Datasat supplied breakout cable, simple due to the very thin nature of wires that come out of the back of it. The Van Damme XLR cable that I use, whilst still thin compared to many other cables, is considerably thicker due to is double twisted pairs, cotton infills, and extensive braided shielding. I suspect the stock breakout cable lacks most of these elements.
That said I would be intrigued as to how a cable manufacturer gets 8 larger cables out the back of a standard DB25 shell. Do you have any images of the ones you have obtained?