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post #61 of 120
+1 on cheap PSU.

Screw Seasonic biggrin.gif !!!

Lol. overpriced for your situation. I have used cheap PSU plenty of times in cheap builds without issue.

I've also seen some high return rates for lower seasonic and Antec units at the bewarehardware or Behardware dot com (or whatever that crappy french website is called).

I hate the site- and feel it's crap and biased so perhaps I should not have bothered mentioning that. lol.
post #62 of 120
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

+1 on cheap PSU.

Screw Seasonic biggrin.gif !!!

Lol. overpriced for your situation. I have used cheap PSU plenty of times in cheap builds without issue.

I've also seen some high return rates for lower seasonic and Antec units at the bewarehardware or Behardware dot com (or whatever that crappy french website is called).

I hate the site- and feel it's crap and biased so perhaps I should not have bothered mentioning that. lol.
You get what you pay for. I used to use cheap PSUs until they crapped out on me at the most inopportune moments. I now only use quality brand name PSUs from Corsair, Seasonic, and a few others. Every one of them is still going strong and well worth the extra cost, IMHO.
post #63 of 120
I agree. My desktop PSU was $200.

I have an Antec Neo 400 watt in my HTPC.

I've used plenty of cheap PSU in cheap builds without any issues. You should match the PSU to the system IMO.

$200 builds don't need 25% of budget on a PSU.

Behardware.com was listing seasonic and Antec as the least reliable based on mfg return data. That was eye opening.

I don't believe it ^ but I do think seasonic gets overrated in this forum and other great PSU get underrated because they are not seasonic. Seasonic is great but there just isn't some huge gap in quality between seasonic and everyone else. There is actually a number of high quality PSU s that are not made by seasonic.

The only PSU I ever had fail was actually a Seasonic so go figure frown.gif

It's my luck.
post #64 of 120
Absolutely. It makes no sense to drop a $150 PSU in a $300 PC. I've bought a couple of the Corsair Builder Series CX430 PSUs just to have one on hand as a backup or for testing purposes or to preinstall software on a new build before actually putting everything in a new case. After rebate they're usually less than $20. For actual builds I'm usually around the $100 range, depending on the output of the PSU.

I haven't had a single PSU failure since I starting using better quality brand PSUs. I used to buy cheap PSUs on ebay for about $5 plus shipping, but they turned out to be more trouble than they were worth. I think every PSU failure I've ever had always occurred late on a Sunday night after all of the local computer stores were closed. That's when I started keeping one or two spares on hand just in case of an emergency. So far, I haven't had to use one, but then I'm also using better PSUs than before so the odds of needing one are much slimmer.
post #65 of 120
Your wise ^

Same story myself. I've got a corsair and coolermaster spare cheap backup too .

Anything cheaper is a headache.
post #66 of 120
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

Absolutely. It makes no sense to drop a $150 PSU in a $300 PC. I've bought a couple of the Corsair Builder Series CX430 PSUs just to have one on hand as a backup or for testing purposes or to preinstall software on a new build before actually putting everything in a new case. After rebate they're usually less than $20. For actual builds I'm usually around the $100 range, depending on the output of the PSU.

I haven't had a single PSU failure since I starting using better quality brand PSUs. I used to buy cheap PSUs on ebay for about $5 plus shipping, but they turned out to be more trouble than they were worth. I think every PSU failure I've ever had always occurred late on a Sunday night after all of the local computer stores were closed. That's when I started keeping one or two spares on hand just in case of an emergency. So far, I haven't had to use one, but then I'm also using better PSUs than before so the odds of needing one are much slimmer.

I am too using CX430, inexpensive, energy efficient, and works!
post #67 of 120
Coolermaster Elite 430watts go on sale for $17.99 AR too.
post #68 of 120
Thread Starter 
My new power supply came today and I'm having issues. I hooked everything up. Turned on the computer, the PSU fan, cpu fan, and front LED lights turn on, as well as the HDD activity light. However, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't boot into Windows. I removed the hard drive to see if it would boot to the BIOS, but nothing happens. What does this mean? If the motherboard is dead the cpu fan or HDD light wouldn't turn on would it? I've double checked the cables, and everything is firmly in place. Could the cpu be dead, or the motherboard still even though it powers the components? confused.gif
post #69 of 120
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

My new power supply came today and I'm having issues. I hooked everything up. Turned on the computer, the PSU fan, cpu fan, and front LED lights turn on, as well as the HDD activity light. However, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't boot into Windows. I removed the hard drive to see if it would boot to the BIOS, but nothing happens. What does this mean? If the motherboard is dead the cpu fan or HDD light wouldn't turn on would it? I've double checked the cables, and everything is firmly in place. Could the cpu be dead, or the motherboard still even though it powers the components? confused.gif



lol


Quote:
Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

My new power supply came today and I'm having issues. I hooked everything up. Turned on the computer, the PSU fan, cpu fan, and front LED lights turn on, as well as the HDD activity light. However, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't boot into Windows. I removed the hard drive to see if it would boot to the BIOS, but nothing happens. What does this mean? If the motherboard is dead the cpu fan or HDD light wouldn't turn on would it? I've double checked the cables, and everything is firmly in place. Could the cpu be dead, or the motherboard still even though it powers the components? confused.gif

It's hard to determine these kinds of issues.

Do you get anything on your screen? Can you see your bios or anything else on your monitor? Are you using a GPU ?

If not- Common issue is the power cable to the GPU card. If your not using a GPU card or confirm the card is powered up then I'd move on to level 2.


Level 2: You need to get a picture on your screen. If you don't you replace the GPU card. If you don't have GPU card then your probably looking at a CPU or Mobo issue. If you get a picture on your screen but it won't boot your probably looking at CPU, RAM or SSD/HDD. SSD being the primary issue. Sometimes power cycling fixes that on SSD drives. You'd need to confirm you can see your boot drive in your bios first.

I'll wait for more info to help you more.
post #70 of 120
Thread Starter 
Haha I'm an idiot. In my rush to get things working I forgot to plug in the HDMI cable! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Everything is up and running fine. The only thing that I am not happy with is the buzzing noise coming from the PSU. I don't know if it is the little 40mm fan on the back, or the components themselves, but if it stays like this I don't think I can live with it. It reminds me of the noise you hear when a refrigerator comes on. A high pitched piercing whine. Is there usually a break in period for PSUs to settle down a bit, or is this what I'm going to get? I'll give it a few days and see what happens, but I may have to return it. I'm just glad it was only the power supply that was dead and not everything else. Maybe I shoulda sprang for that Seasonic biggrin.gif
post #71 of 120
I like a story with a happy ending.
post #72 of 120
Thread Starter 
I'm strongly considering either getting a Pico PSU or starting a new build. I don't think I'm ever going to be happy with these mini U1 power supplies. The fan is too small and they are too loud, even the original OEM one. The other thing I could do is buy one of those $40 HTPC cases off Newegg that already comes with a standard ATX power supply, and just transplant my mini ITX motherboard and everything else over to the new case. That would work wouldn't it? If so I probably should have considered that in the first place.
post #73 of 120
I'd save your cash for a full rebuild when you feel you want to do it. Start fresh and upgrade.
post #74 of 120
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I'd save your cash for a full rebuild when you feel you want to do it. Start fresh and upgrade.
But if I get a new case and PSU now, it's already the first step. I could swap in a new motherboard and cpu down the road, I'd already have the case. It's $40 for a case and quiet 80mm power supply, vs $30 for the buzzing 40mm power supply I just bought. Either way I need the power supply, why not pay $10 more and have a quieter system with the ability to expand down the line?
post #75 of 120
On my main computer PSU cost was 12.5% of the total rig (display, mouse and kb included)
On my HTPC PSU cost was 11.69% of the total rig (mouse, kb, DVB-T tuner included)
Both of them are in the 1000€+ range (without shipping taken into account, didn't bother doing the math)
post #76 of 120
Thread Starter 
What's so great about the Silverstone ML03B that everyone seems to recommend? Is it just because it looks like a cable box?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163174
post #77 of 120
I like that case.

It's the best looking $60 Case... it's well made, and easy to build in.
post #78 of 120
^What he said.
I recommended that case for my sister's husband to build his new APU system.
Now then, what were the specs hrmm.. Think, think..
There we go, had to go through our chat history.
ML03B, couple of Sharkoon 80mm PWM fans I gave him last christmas you know those golf ball surface fans biggrin.gif, A6-6400K, ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M, SS-350ET psu, and some ddr3-1333 (some leftovers from me, he won't be gaming lol so I doubt he'll really need faster ram)
That psu because he'll be changing it to picopsu at somepoint, not enough budget for it right now so the cheapest decent enough psu that came up was that.
post #79 of 120
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I like that case.

It's the best looking $60 Case... it's well made, and easy to build in.
But why is it so much better than a cheaper case that comes with a PSU for $40? Once you add the PSU to that it's almost $100. That price difference right there is a new motherboard.
post #80 of 120
case + psu for 40$?
Must be overflowing with quality.
Go and get a case for cheap, don't gimp on the psu, it's what powers the whole damn thing.
post #81 of 120
Thread Starter 
I think I'm just going to keep my HP case and get a Pico PSU. Probably the 120 watt model. I'm only running a 45 watt processor, 5 watt graphics card that does 19 watt max, and an SSD. I've seen other people run way more than that on them. If it doesn't work I can always return it. A silent PSU would be nice for HTPC.

The 150 watt Pico+150 watt brick is $64 and the 120 watt Pico+120 watt brick is $52 shipped. Keep in mind the less efficient OEM power supply I was using lasted 6 years and was only 160 watts. Suggestions?
http://www.short-circuit.com/categories/powercombos.html
Edited by StinDaWg - 6/19/13 at 4:41pm
post #82 of 120
I'd suggest you get the MILO03 because it's a nice case for $60 and get a $20 PSU like the Antec, or the Corsair 430 or the Coolermaster Elite.

I used a $17.99 Coolermaster ELITE with that case in my brothers HTPC I made him for Xmas gift and it came out great.












Here is my costs:

$48 -Asrock M-atx Mobo open box (Has Sata 3 and USB3.0+ HDMI)
$51 G630 2.7ghz dual core CPU
$25 Muskin DDR3
$49 Vertex3 120GB SSD
$59 MILO03 Silverstone case
$17 Coolermaster 430watt psu
$99 WD GREEN 3TB
$249 without 3TB data drive, $349 with 3TB of storage

For $250 you get USB3.0 on front !!! I nice looking high quality case that is nice to build in- HDMI, SATA3, 120GB SSD, 8GB memory.... etc.. etc...

Keep in mind I bought these parts 12 months ago, they are the parts I bought in the "cheapest ever HTPC proud of myself" thread.

If I was doing it today I would get a $35 Ivy cpu like the G1610 I passmark linked above because it's cheaper and better saving you more $$$. But Ram is twice the price today... so you'll still end up around $250. Since you have some parts like an SSD you might want to go this route.

Oh.. yeah. I forgot if you look close it has wireless too. biggrin.gif

When I think of a nice HTPC... something like this is what I think about. It's highly affordable and leaves no compromises.
post #83 of 120
Thread Starter 
That does look nice. How quiet is it all put together? I know you can never get 100% silent unless you do passive cooling, but my ultimate goal is to get as close to that as possible. I will consider. Most of those PSUs are $35-40. Where are you getting $17 for the Coolermaster 430? I've just spent a week researching looks like I need to do another. cool.gif
post #84 of 120
This PSU is frequently on sale. I got one for $16.99 AR.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

A couple thoughts about cases. I wanted a nice sexy looking HTPC case but Mfusick started this thread about a year ago.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1404685/cheapest-ever-htpc-thats-decent-proud-of-myself

In keeping with the spirit of that thread I went for cheap & re-used an old Dell minitower case. I placed it in a corner out of sight so it didn't have to look really great. And it cost nothing.

My friend picked up a closeout scratch & dent special for $9 from a TigerDirect store. Maybe someone is recycling an old PC & you could take it off their hands & strip the parts from the case & then just recycle the parts & keep the free case. Just a thought.
post #85 of 120
Thread Starter 
Is this a good deal for $24.99 AR? Deal ends today. Or should I wait for something even cheaper? I'm assuming anything like that would fit into the Silverstone case?
CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

What about this for $24.99 shipped no rebate?
Rosewill RV350 350W ATX 1.3 Power Supply
post #86 of 120
Both should work nice for a budget build.
post #87 of 120
Thread Starter 
That Rosewill PSU only has a 20 pin connector. Can you still plug it into a 24 pin motherboard? I see some people complaining about that on Newegg while others say it works fine. If so, do you just offset the pins to one side when plugging in?
post #88 of 120
Yes you can plug it in. You don't need to offset it, there's only one way it can plug in since all those pins are of a certain shape and it's a standard.
The extra four pins are +12V1, +3.3V, +5V and ground.

For a low power system this is not a problem.
post #89 of 120
I'd just get a PSU with 24 pins for future proofing.
post #90 of 120
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I'd just get a PSU with 24 pins for future proofing.

Agreed. It may work, it may not. Why risk it?
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