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post #91 of 108
When will espn shut down espn 3d? It was fun while it lasted. Espn 3d had some glitches.
post #92 of 108
An article describing how ESPN 3D's nail in the coffin was their heavy use of 2D-3D conversions towards the end of their 3D channel's run (Yes. Yes, they did)- and how 3D fans and developers should welcome its demise for the betterment of the medium. An insider's perspective:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/espns-loss-is-3dtvs-gain/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=071113

"By shutting down, ESPN ceases to set a standard that the potential audience thinks is unacceptable. Filling a 24/7 cable channel with bad or marginal 3-D content didn’t do the technology any good; it’s far better to show fewer hours of higher quality programming."
post #93 of 108
Espn 3d sucks. Imagine if they did espys in 3d. I hate the espys.
post #94 of 108
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Originally Posted by digital_b_avs View Post

life is already in 3d. if you need 3d programming it means you have no life.

Love it! If you crave 3D.... GO OUTSIDE biggrin.gif

I'm not sure the content is there yet. There is some, but it's really hit or miss IMO. Broadcast 3D, for all the reasons mentioned, is still problematic, especially here in the States. I still prefer a well filmed 2-D movie over 3-D every time. It's still a novelty in my house where the kids enjoy it for a while, but even they tire of it. I suspect in a few years when the majority of sets sold have 3-D capability and the conversion/filing process improves, you'll see an uptick.
post #95 of 108
Let's be honest - it's not a decision that ESPN would have taken lightly. They know deep down as well does everyone else that 3D is really only suitable for 100" plus home projector screens - and obviously cinemas.

If they thought for one second it was going to be profitable now - or in the future... Then there is not a hope in hell's chance they would have dropped the flop that is 3D from home - like a hot potato.
post #96 of 108
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Originally Posted by Stu03 View Post

Let's be honest - it's not a decision that ESPN would have taken lightly. They know deep down as well does everyone else that 3D is really only suitable for 100" plus home projector screens - and obviously cinemas.

If they thought for one second it was going to be profitable now - or in the future... Then there is not a hope in hell's chance they would have dropped the flop that is 3D from home - like a hot potato.

Not true, 3D on a 32" screen with a proper sitting distance looks great! The problem with 3d is 1. The glasses, and people not wanting to wear it and 2. The unrealness of the 3D experience on TV or the movies.
post #97 of 108
It works i agree. Anything on any screen works given the correct seating distance. I thought passive on a 32" i witnessed in a shop was good from two/three feet.

But it must be too niche though. Not enough people are doing it. Even though you wouldn't really get a choice nowadays with purchases of 99% of consumer displays. It's only the monitors you actually get a choice of 3D or not 3D. I don't have 3D myself, i was contemplating getting 3D Now or 3D Fury conversion transmitter for my older plasma which is display only. But unfortunately i am not made of money and other thing's took first place. I would have liked it but i don't need it. Although my blu-ray player is 3D capable
post #98 of 108
The funny thing is I "love" 3D, but I won't bother with the hassle and expense of watching 3D. After I found I couldn't make it through The Hobbit due to the ridiculousness of the actual movie, the value of 3D shriveled up and disappeared. I fear that 3D is turning into something I watch a few times per year, at most.

I would love to play 3D video games, but with limitations on frame rates and resolution, that experience has been sub-optimal.

Wimbledon is still getting a 3D broadcast, and Tennis is just the sort of sport where 3D could offer the viewer a benefit. After all, most folks don't hold "Wimbledon watching parties," so the old argument that there are not enough glasses isn't a big factor.

What's next are autostereoscopic screens. I think that technology will be embraced by the video game industry, and that's where 3D will find a permanent home.
post #99 of 108
If the major networks decided to really push 3D, with quality cameras, quality production studios and quality content, you would see many people that already own 3D TV's jumping on the 3D band wagon. But you must have a product that makes the experience worthwhile. You will always have those that can't stand wearing the glasses and those that get headaches and those that have physical vision problems. It's just like anything else. You better get us from the get go cause we usually won't give a new technology or inferior brand of anything a second chance.
post #100 of 108
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

After I found I couldn't make it through The Hobbit due to the ridiculousness of the actual movie, the value of 3D shriveled up and disappeared. I fear that 3D is turning into something I watch a few times per year, at most.

I feel that way too, sad to say. Radagast and Azog were cartoonish... in a bad way.

I have a few dozen 3D Blu-Rays now, and most merit repeated viewings, but obviously I'm not going to watch them all the time. A few times a year sounds about right.

3D on cable, whether SbS or TB just doesn't look good on a passive set, IMO. That's where the resolution limitation of passive really shows. I have some 3D captures from Comcast On Demand (the free ones) that are watchable, but that's about the most that can be said. The best of the lot is the Mariinsky Theater production of the Nutcracker ballet.

Lots of ESPN 3D stuff was downright bad.
post #101 of 108
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

The funny thing is I "love" 3D, but I won't bother with the hassle and expense of watching 3D. After I found I couldn't make it through The Hobbit due to the ridiculousness of the actual movie, the value of 3D shriveled up and disappeared. I fear that 3D is turning into something I watch a few times per year, at most.

I would love to play 3D video games, but with limitations on frame rates and resolution, that experience has been sub-optimal.

Wimbledon is still getting a 3D broadcast, and Tennis is just the sort of sport where 3D could offer the viewer a benefit. After all, most folks don't hold "Wimbledon watching parties," so the old argument that there are not enough glasses isn't a big factor.

What's next are autostereoscopic screens. I think that technology will be embraced by the video game industry, and that's where 3D will find a permanent home.
OK, perhaps The Hobbit is a little ridiculous in the manner it brought everyone together (with the promise of a hearty meal) and then discovered an unlikely hero, but it's only just a tiny bit less ridiculous than LOTR. smile.gif In fact, I found the Middle Earth films easier to stomach than the likes of Avatar. The Hobbit is one of the movies I'm looking forward to see in 3D, as it seems to be highly rated in that presentation (I have only seen it in 2D thus far and was neither impressed nor disappointed because I kept my expectations in check).
post #102 of 108
Give classic films like Dial M for Murder, and Creature from the Black Lagoon a shot....and watch for House of Wax, the original, later in October.

I think you would like them.
post #103 of 108
I own a Mitsubishi 73" DLP and MonsterVision glasses and 3D is great for feature films.
At first, it was mainly kids 3D feature films, but lately there are more action films for adults in 3D.
Unfortunately, 3D BluRays are not available to rent and buying them is an expensive proposition.
I tried watching sports in 3D on ESPN and Comcast's 3D channel but it was a novelty that we quickly tired of.
There was a Kylie Monogue Concert on Comcast 3D and the occasional science documentary
but they broadcast the same ones for months on end. If there was a 3D movie subscription or pay-per-view
channel we would probably watch often. I watched HUGO (2D BluRay) with 3D conversion on my Panasonic
BluRay player, and while it wasn't quite as much a 3D effect as native 3D, it made the film more visually stunning.
Bottom Line: A lot has to change before 3D on a Home Theater becomes viable.
I'm curious what 3D will look like when native 4K 3D content is played on a 4K UHDTV.
A 1080p display in 3D is 2 images, each of less resolution than the 1080, so the same film in 1080 2D shows a lot more detail.
4K should up the 3D resolution, perhaps close to the limit of normal human vision.
Most people now have an HDTV purchased in just the past 3 years with the HD broadcast switch over..
It could be a few more years before folks start being motivated to upgrade to UHDTV, but the prices may not
drop as quickly as did the current 720 and 1080 HDTVs. Same for the 4K successor to Blu Ray.
Edited by wardhealer - 7/26/13 at 6:22am
post #104 of 108
myself, I absolutely love 3D,

what people need to understand is how 3D works, currently on 3D tvs what needs to happen is your eyes need to be LIED to. what the left sees and what the right sees.

here is something that I believe is not going to work ill say properly " Glasses free 3D Tv's "

it sounds interesting, especially to the 3D haters out there, but however, it will not be what I call "Eye Popping 3D" . I believe it is only going to be incredible Depth Perception 3D only

case in point, when you wear 3D glasses, they are right in front of your eyes, so 3D programming can be made to look like it is right in front of you, think of the Fish scene in "Imax Under the Sea" I don't believe you are going to get the same effect on a glasses free tv.

and I encourage anyone who will be able to get to see one in demo, to bring that movie with them and plug it in and see what happens

I tested that movie on the 55" Sony 4K set and looked incredible, blew everyone away including the Sony rep. I retired yesterday from my job after 37 years, I will be getting my incentive bonus for retiring in a few weeks, I will either get the 65" Sony 4K set or the Vizio 80" M series 3D 240hz Tv

when it comes to glasses free 3D, they should have done this instead, do any of you remember the old SEGA "Holographic" video games from the 80's? the image was projected up as the monitor was table top versus standing mode. Now imagine Fast and Furious being projected up off of a 90" tabletop monitor lol

IMHO, that's the direction they should have gone in
post #105 of 108
Just because ESPN 3D is shutting down don't mean 3D is dead. ESPN shouldn't have had 3D in the first place.....it was a joke and a half hearted attempt on their part to cash in on the 3D craze. It backfired because it was done wrong. I say goodbye ESPN 3D......you wont be missed, not by me anyway.
post #106 of 108
No it doesn't mean that, but it can't be a great sign for 3D though. It means they won't miss 3D either and that ain't great
post #107 of 108
Just saw on the news this morning that 3D may be used to view instant replay's during Baseball games, Football ect. They say it will give the ref's a more realistic view of controversial plays. Don't know if this will really work or not but it will be interesting to see if it works. I watched the Cowboy game last night in converted 2D to 3D on my HX850 and it was pretty cool even though it wasn't true 3D. That being said......3D has a place and is a great technology IF done right. Personally I don't want to see it go away.
post #108 of 108
The cinema experience for me was dead- I simply can't tolerate the boorish manners of so many of the younger suburban crowd, who, for instance, leave their phones on ring in case the babysitter needs to call to ask how to turn on the cable TV, let alone those who are so smug they bring the infant with them into the show. Then came 3D, including seeing a Shrek at Universal Studios complete with the moving seats and all. This is a great experience, worth the $15 or so it would cost. I hope the technology continues to advance, at least for professional uses.
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