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post #31 of 232
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I still think you should go with something from HSU like my original recommendation. You can get a 5.1 satin black package deal consisting of 1 VTF-3 MK4 sub, 1 HC-1 MK2 centre channel and 4 HB-1 MK2 bookshelf speakers all for $1369. That's pretty awesome value/performance.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3pkg.html

Forgot to include shipping. It's $1600.

The VTF-3 MK4 will have more max volume than the Rythmik LV12R. However, assuming that your room has 8 or 9 ft ceilings and not cathedral height, the LV12R should have plenty of output. Subwoofer performance is affected by total room volume (not just area).

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post #32 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Forgot to include shipping. It's $1600.

The VTF-3 MK4 will have more max volume than the Rythmik LV12R. However, assuming that your room has 8 or 9 ft ceilings and not cathedral height, the LV12R should have plenty of output. Subwoofer performance is affected by total room volume (not just area).

Look at his room measurements, that is a 27'x23' area. That might be a bit much even for a VTF3, especially if the seating is in a middle part of the room. To the OP, I would say, go multiple subs, or go with a powerful sub in a near-field placement. Or else get a good sub now leaving the option of adding another later if one isn't sufficient. I say try near-field placement to start with. Near-field placement is where you place the subwoofer very close to the listening position, like as an endtable or right behind the seat. This placement avoids the subwoofer having to pressurize the entire area to hear nice bass, which is what it would have to do otherwise. This also take a load of the subwoofer, which reduces distortion, raises headroom, and prolongs its life. I find it also add a greater visceral feel to the bass, so it is felt more in addition to simply being heard with respect to a more distant placement.
post #33 of 232
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Look at his room measurements, that is a 27'x23' area. That might be a bit much even for a VTF3, especially if the seating is in a middle part of the room. To the OP, I would say, go multiple subs, or go with a powerful sub in a near-field placement. Or else get a good sub now leaving the option of adding another later if one isn't sufficient. I say try near-field placement to start with. Near-field placement is where you place the subwoofer very close to the listening position, like as an endtable or right behind the seat. This placement avoids the subwoofer having to pressurize the entire area to hear nice bass, which is what it would have to do otherwise. This also take a load of the subwoofer, which reduces distortion, raises headroom, and prolongs its life. I find it also add a greater visceral feel to the bass, so it is felt more in addition to simply being heard with respect to a more distant placement.

With a budget of $1500 I highly doubt he'll be buying multiple subs, beside I don't think he's really looking to pressurize his room. I get the impression that he's just looking for a decent system that will sound good for his allowed budget.
post #34 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Forgot to include shipping. It's $1600.

The VTF-3 MK4 will have more max volume than the Rythmik LV12R. However, assuming that your room has 8 or 9 ft ceilings and not cathedral height, the LV12R should have plenty of output. Subwoofer performance is affected by total room volume (not just area).

Isn't the LV12R almost $590 shipped? So for $900 what speaker package do you think the OP could get that would perform better then the HSU setup?
post #35 of 232
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Look at his room measurements, that is a 27'x23' area.

Where did you get those numbers from???
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Originally Posted by cjp3 View Post

my room is 1 large space used as 2 rooms
tv room 15' L X 14'W
dinning room 12' L X 9' W

15 x 14 = 210
12 x 9 = 108

Approximately 320 sq feet
post #36 of 232
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Isn't the LV12R almost $590 shipped? So for $900 what speaker package do you think the OP could get that would perform better then the HSU setup?

Ummm... you were the one that recommended the Ascend Acoustics package early in this thread. Or did you forget?
post #37 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Ummm... you were the one that recommended the Ascend Acoustics package early in this thread. Or did you forget?

Ummmm I also recommended the HSU first too, or didn't you bother to read this thread from the beginning? I've mentioned HSU, Ascend Acoustics and Arx.

I think for the OP's budget I would still go with the HSU over the Ascend's and Arx setups.

Further to what I posted; I was simply asking you a question, if you thought there was a better speaker package for $900.

So once again, do you think there's a better speaker package then the HSU for the $900 the 5.0 speakers would cost?
Edited by jbrown15 - 6/16/13 at 2:18am
post #38 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Where did you get those numbers from???
15 x 14 = 210
12 x 9 = 108

Approximately 320 sq feet

Lol, wow where was my head. Somehow I just added those numbers like columns.
post #39 of 232
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Isn't the LV12R almost $590 shipped? So for $900 what speaker package do you think the OP could get that would perform better then the HSU setup?

Arx and Ascend are both in that budget range.

HSU, Arx and Ascend - gone full circle. Maybe it's because all three are solid choices wink.gif
post #40 of 232
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Arx and Ascend are both in that budget range.

HSU, Arx and Ascend - gone full circle. Maybe it's because all three are solid choices wink.gif

I would agree a 110%, but for some reason I still think the 5.1 package deal with the VTF-3 sub for $1369 plus shipping would make the most sense.
post #41 of 232
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Ummmm I also recommended the HSU first too, or didn't you bother to read this thread from the beginning? I've mentioned HSU, Ascend Acoustics and Arx.

I think for the OP's budget I would still go with the HSU over the Ascend's and Arx setups.

Further to what I posted; I was simply asking you a question, if you thought there was a better speaker package for $900.

So once again, do you think there's a better speaker package then the HSU for the $900 the 5.0 speakers would cost?

Eat your own dog food rolleyes.gif

Your very first recommendation in this thread
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I would take the LV12R, and probably go with the Ascend speakers.
Like I mentioned in my post from your other thread, the HSU speakers seem to have some pretty good feed back.

If you read the thread, then you know I already gave my opinion
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I'd suggest narrowing it down to your top two, and then ordering one pair of both and doing an in-home demo. The return shipping on the speaker pair you don't keep would be more than worth it. Reading on this forum can only get you about 80% of the way there on speaker choice. That other 20% depends on how they sound to you in your space. smile.gif

I'll vote for the Ascends since I like mine wink.gif
post #42 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Eat your own dog food rolleyes.gif

Your very first recommendation in this thread
If you read the thread, then you know I already gave my opinion

My very first recommendation to the OP which was from the first thread that he started was to go with the HSU package deal. And even after he started this second thread, I still believe for his budget it's the best value for a 5.1 setup.

So you can continue eating your own dog food thanks rolleyes.gif
post #43 of 232
Count out the Ascends for home theatre. Its good for music, but home theatre Hsu wins hands down.

Choice should be between the Arx and the Hsu. I have not heard the Arx but I highly recommend foing with Hsu period.
post #44 of 232
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

My very first recommendation to the OP which was from the first thread that he started was to go with the HSU package deal. And even after he started this second thread, I still believe for his budget it's the best value for a 5.1 setup.

So you can continue eating your own dog food thanks rolleyes.gif

You are not that important. I don't go back and look for your recommendations in other threads. In this thread, you clearly recommended the Ascends, and later I said my vote was for them too. So READ the thread before telling someone else to read the thread. Geez.
post #45 of 232
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Count out the Ascends for home theatre. Its good for music, but home theatre Hsu wins hands down.

Choice should be between the Arx and the Hsu. I have not heard the Arx but I highly recommend foing with Hsu period.

Brain, that comment is about as clear as your point that no one needs a subwoofer over $300. You might have liked the HSU's better as a matter of personal preference in your space, but that is no means definitive evidence that the HSUs are better for HT usage. There are plenty of people--long before the two or three weeks or so that you have been into HT--that have found the Ascends excellent for HT usage.
post #46 of 232
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Lol, wow where was my head. Somehow I just added those numbers like columns.

That's what I wondered, But you are right. If his room was that big, probably time to raise the budget for good sub performance smile.gif
post #47 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

You are not that important. I don't go back and look for your recommendations in other threads. In this thread, you clearly recommended the Ascends, and later I said my vote was for them too. So READ the thread before telling someone else to read the thread. Geez.

Anyways.....you'll notice that I did also recommend the HSU speakers in this thread too. I still believe they would be a better setup then going with the CBM-170 setup that has been recommended.

Enough of the side tracking of the thread going back and worth with the " I said/you said stuff"

I still believe the HSU speakers would be better then the CBM-170's, with that said though I would say that the CMT-340's from Ascend's would be better the the HSU speakers.
post #48 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Brain, that comment is about as clear as your point that no one needs a subwoofer over $300. You might have liked the HSU's better as a matter of personal preference in your space, but that is no means definitive evidence that the HSUs are better for HT usage. There are plenty of people--long before the two or three weeks or so that you have been into HT--that have found the Ascends excellent for HT usage.



Its my personal recommendation after testing out both speakers. I definately recommend the Hsu over the Ascends.
post #49 of 232
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Brain, that comment is about as clear as your point that no one needs a subwoofer over $300. You might have liked the HSU's better as a matter of personal preference in your space, but that is no means definitive evidence that the HSUs are better for HT usage. There are plenty of people--long before the two or three weeks or so that you have been into HT--that have found the Ascends excellent for HT usage.

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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Anyways.....you'll notice that I did also recommend the HSU speakers in this thread too. I still believe they would be a better setup then going with the CBM-170 setup that has been recommended.

Enough of the side tracking of the thread going back and worth with the " I said/you said stuff"

I still believe the HSU speakers would be better then the CBM-170's, with that said though I would say that the CMT-340's from Ascend's would be better the the HSU speakers.

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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Its my personal recommendation after testing out both speakers. I definately recommend the Hsu over the Ascends.
I have heard both, extensively, and can say they are both excellent speakers for music and HT, but certainly have their differences.
post #50 of 232
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Choice should be between the Arx and the Hsu. I have not heard the Arx but I highly recommend foing with Hsu period.

I had the chance to demo both the Arx and the HSU and both had their strong points and weak points. The HSU seemed to have a more punchy and dynamic midbass but had a smaller sweet spot and treble just seemed too restrained with not alot of detail. The Arx had deeper bass (seemed like) but wasn't as punchy or dynamic in the midbass. The Arx had a much wider more expansive soundstage and the planar ribbon was very detailed and articulate for not only stringed instruments but movies had great treble. Now this was the older slightly smaller Arx A1 bookshelf, the newer A1b has a larger cabinet volume and 10hrz deeper extension, but I never got to compare it to the HSU bookshelf.
post #51 of 232
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I had the chance to demo both the Arx and the HSU and both had their strong points and weak points. The HSU seemed to have a more punchy and dynamic midbass but had a smaller sweet spot and treble just seemed too restrained with not alot of detail. The Arx had deeper bass (seemed like) but wasn't as punchy or dynamic in the midbass. The Arx had a much wider more expansive soundstage and the planar ribbon was very detailed and articulate for not only stringed instruments but movies had great treble. Now this was the older slightly smaller Arx A1 bookshelf, the newer A1b has a larger cabinet volume and 10hrz deeper extension, but I never got to compare it to the HSU bookshelf.

Did anyone here both hear the Arx A1b and the Hsu HB1?
post #52 of 232
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Did anyone here both hear the Arx A1b and the Hsu HB1?

The A1 and A1b are very similar and the A1b is actually an improvement over the A1 that I had against the HSU. But I only kept the HSU for a trial period as well as several others and decided on keeping the Arx speakers. I haven't seen anyone that has the Arx A1b and HSU HB1, seems to be Ascend 170SE and Arx A1b get compared much more often.
post #53 of 232
Also, whats better as far as soundstange goes?

You cant say the Hsu HB1's are neutral. They are a tiny bit forward. How about the Arx's?
post #54 of 232
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

Also, whats better as far as soundstange goes?

You cant say the Hsu HB1's are neutral. They are a tiny bit forward. How about the Arx's?

IMO the HSU's are very restrained and far from being considered forward or bright. Just because they use a horn doesn't make them bright, the actually use a silk/soft dome tweeter in the horn lens. The HSUs need to be angled inward and have a small one seat sweet spot. The Arx are much more wider and projects a larger soundstage. I would consider the Arxs to be neutral to alittle warm. I would say my older Axioms were considered bright but not the HSU or Arx.
post #55 of 232
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

IMO the HSU's are very restrained and far from being considered forward or bright. Just because they use a horn doesn't make them bright, the actually use a silk/soft dome tweeter in the horn lens. The HSUs need to be angled inward and have a small one seat sweet spot. The Arx are much more wider and projects a larger soundstage. I would consider the Arxs to be neutral to alittle warm. I would say my older Axioms were considered bright but not the HSU or Arx.


I'm still under the 30 day trial period with the Hsu's.

I can somewhat work my budget and settle for a lesser sub and get the Arx A3C towers and A2c Center and A1b's for sorrounds.

I got the rosewood HB1s to fit my cabinet color, (sine i have them set up in my cabinet) but if I get floorstanding speakers I can go black with $90.00 more than the HB1's.

Ahhh! This forum is killing me!
Edited by Brian323 - 6/17/13 at 12:25pm
post #56 of 232
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I'm still under the 30 day trial period with the Hsu's.

I can somewhat work my budget a settle for a lesser sub and get the Arx A3C towers and A2c Center and A1b's for sorrounds.

I got the rosewood HB1s to fit my cabinet color, (sine i have them set up in my cabinet) but if I get floorstanding speakers I can go black with $50.00 more than the HB1's.

Ahhh! This forum is killing me!

Haha yeah it'll do that to you. In the last two years alone I've spent about 7grand getting my 7.2 setup together and about another 4grand on my projector and screen. Plus not to mention totally rebuilding my theatre room along with room treatments. This hobby gets expensive fast! wink.gif
post #57 of 232
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

I'm still under the 30 day trial period with the Hsu's.

I can somewhat work my budget a settle for a lesser sub and get the Arx A3C towers and A2c Center and A1b's for sorrounds.

I got the rosewood HB1s to fit my cabinet color, (sine i have them set up in my cabinet) but if I get floorstanding speakers I can go black with $50.00 more than the HB1's.

Ahhh! This forum is killing me!

Don't skimp on your subwoofer budget. The Arx A3 is really just an A1b with deeper bass and extra woofer. You would be wise if your going Arx to stay with A1b's all around and use the money you saved toward a better subwoofer or two.

Right now theres no confirmed date for the A3c or A2c so I would try out the A1b and if you like them wait on the A3 and A2 combo. I expect them to be ready by July/Aug but i'm not holding my breath, Jon Lane has said they are in production and awaiting to be shipped by how long that will be is unknown.

Yeah this forum is awesome but it sucks the money right out of your wallet lol.
post #58 of 232
What about the overall sound? Do the Arx speakers sound closer to the Acsends or the Hsu's? And also, are these speakers airy?
Edited by Brian323 - 6/17/13 at 12:42pm
post #59 of 232
After reading some other members thoughts on these speakers, it stil seems to me like the Hsu's are the winner for home theatre.

You do NOT want a airy laid back speakers running your sound when watching movies.
post #60 of 232
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Originally Posted by Brian323 View Post

After reading some other members thoughts on these speakers, it stil seems to me like the Hsu's are the winner for home theatre.

You do NOT want a airy laid back speakers running your sound when watching movies.

I would say the Arx is a airy speaker in the treble (thats a good thing) and they are somewhat laid back and not fatiquing in your face shrill. Movies sound great with the A5s, A2s and A1s all around. Its all subjective of course. Some think the JTRs are the best cinema speakers around while others say they sound like a pack of screaming cats or finger nails on a chalk board.

Since you keeping the HSUs and they are nice speakers (I came really close to keeping them) I would use the MTM center as vertical mains for extra output and dynamics and use the HB 1s for surround duty. And you'll have a pretty kick ass setup.
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