Originally Posted by Speakerphile
Actually, there are laws that require a certain percentage of discount if an item is advertised as "on sale". There are also laws that prevent retailers from artificially raising the "reg price" just so they can advertise a "sale" to skirt those laws. Best Buy follows all of these laws. What model in particular are you talking about? And when was this?
Also, my signature is clear about my opinions being my own. Do they mesh with my employer in this instance? Probably. But I assure you that I do not blindly defend their every action and am not doing so in this case. I just happen to oppose the idea that every big box retailer is out to screw their customers, like I get the impression you do.
This was around the timeframe of the beginning of the thread (and this set, 64F8500). For months every single authorized seller had a list price of $3399, it was MAP (presumably) and stayed that way from day one up until very recently. Best Buy had a flyer that week with the F8500 listed, and had this big "special sale" price listed of... $3399 just like everyone else- you may as well consider it MSRP, as that is how it was treated by most everyone. The manager at the store tried to convince me it was a sale price and a good deal as well when he wasn't budging from it. At all.
Conversely, you at some point have to realize that every internet reseller is not out to screw their customers- or they'd stop having them eventually. And that certainly happens sometimes.
There's nothing confusing about what ECTV does. They lure many people in with the lowest price on the internet (just google the model numbers for sets like these and you get a sponsored ad with the price usually), and then they easily make profitable margins by hard selling extras. Most people are convinced and some even appreciate package "deals" of cables, wall mounts, extended warranties and full price white glove upgrades. None the wiser, and honesty, still come out ahead of their local Best Buy's full price and sales tax where they'd likely get sold on wall mounts, cables and extended warranties just the same!
It's all more alike than it is different, I feel. That's really what I've been hinting at this whole time.
Originally Posted by smurraybhm
I quickly removed the link you have enjoyed using to get on your box about because it was not something relevant to this discussion and no retailer would or should be expected to take a return of a customer damaged display. Good job because I edited that post immediately after it went up when I realized the link was included.
Weak argument? Seriously? People talk with their wallet and yes, failure of most displays occurs early in their life (actually true for most AV equipment), so having the ability to return it to where you bought it from is a big plus and a GIANT red flag when a retailer doesn't allow you do so. Sorry sir your two minutes is up and you did have a chance to plug it in. Name a single respectable retailer who has a no return policy? We know you like EC and had a good experience which is great. However, the number of negative experiences posted on this forum and elsewhere far outweigh the positive ones and to continue to recommend them as if they are God's gift to retailing is irresponsible to those who only see a price a few hundred less than Amazon, Paul's, Cleveland TV or BB.
I think there are a few of us who will continue to post about EC, Abe's of Maine and Powerseller NYC in hopes that those who consider doing business with them will do their homework first and understand the risks involved from buying from them. Not everyone has the happy ending you seem to imply is more common than it actually is. Peace out.
Exactly. That is why it should be discussed. It's the same tired point brought up over and over, yet you can't find a good example of it actually happening once- much less consistently like you make it sound.
Find me one example where someone was denied warranty coverage having bought their set from an unauthorized reseller who did not take returns.
I never said I like EC. This was a simple experiment, and it confirmed my hunch. Nearly everyone who has something bad to say about EC is using pure speculation, rumors, parroting someone else doing the same, or has something to gain from it.I don't know anything about Abe's, Powerseller, or anyone else. I can't speak for those and I won't. I only have experience with ECTV, and am comfortable and justified in having an actual experienced, informed opinion about them.
It would be infinitely more helpful to everyone if more people did the same.