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post #31 of 467
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I guess I'm working under this premise...

Future Alec told Kagame some stuff that got him to agree to be sent back in time... Kagame did not necessarily tell his crew everything he knew.

I could be WAY wrong of course... but I'm working from the theory that Kagame told Sonya to kill Travis. He didn't tell her how to kill him, but he knew what kind of person she was... and given everything else he probably knows about her + what he told her... he probably figured what/how she was most likely to do... with the result being Travis goes to the hospital, not the morgue, and eventually to prison.

So... Travis thinks Sonya rebelled against Kagame's wishes... he doesn't know that Kagame gave the order... meanwhile, Sonya doesn't know why she was supposed to kill Travis... or, if my theory holds, even IF she was supposed to be successful...

Again, I am making half of my theory up... but I have a nagging feeling that the "all is not as it appears" applies to this show quite a bit... so I'm thinking Kagame wanted to change the future and needed to kick off some things before he blew himself up.

Right before she shot him, Sonya told Travis that Kagame had checked himself out of the timestream and appointed her the leader of Liber8. I can't remember if Kagame told Sonya to kill Travis, or whether it was just implied, or whether that was Sonya knowing that if she didn't kill Travis he would never concede to his subordinate role. She loved Travis enough to throw her old life away for him, that's pretty strong stuff. That's why my biggest question right now is what's Sonya's game?
post #32 of 467
Wow. This episode had a little bit of everything. Best episode in the series so far, imo. Its nice how Travis seems to become more evil while Sonja seems almost noble. The show is kicking butt now.
post #33 of 467
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

The show is kicking butt now.
Agreed.

I have one complaint regarding our hero Kiera....
The writers have made her too hard-boiled, too masculine, IMO.
She doesn't show the amount of empathy a woman would show in many of the circumstances played out in episodes.
It's hard to believe she is a mother or wife....it's almost as though she pitches for the other team at times.rolleyes.gif
post #34 of 467
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Agreed.

I have one complaint regarding our hero Kiera....
The writers have made her too hard-boiled, too masculine, IMO.
She doesn't show the amount of empathy a woman would show in many of the circumstances played out in episodes.
It's hard to believe she is a mother or wife....it's almost as though she pitches for the other team at times.rolleyes.gif

But she's not a woman-she's a protector. As they showed in the training exercise her empathy and normal human feelings have been deemed undesirable and trained out of her. Which makes you wonder about the motives of her superiors-are they really the "good guys"? Thats one of the most fascinating things about the series, we don't really know who is the hero or villian. There is at least a possibility that she's fighting for the wrong side.
post #35 of 467
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Thats one of the most fascinating things about the series, we don't really know who is the hero or villian. There is at least a possibility that she's fighting for the wrong side.
A STRONG possibility.....wink.gif
post #36 of 467
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Agreed.

I have one complaint regarding our hero Kiera....
The writers have made her too hard-boiled, too masculine, IMO.
She doesn't show the amount of empathy a woman would show in many of the circumstances played out in episodes.
It's hard to believe she is a mother or wife....it's almost as though she pitches for the other team at times.rolleyes.gif

As said above, she is trained to be dispassionate in critical situations. But what about her desire to return to her timeline to her family? The scene with her drug addict sister? Her breakdown this latest episode when talking about her son with her partner at the end?
post #37 of 467
Agree that it was one of the strongest episodes of the series so far. The scene where Kiera meets her aged former partner in the hospital for the first time was extremely well done. It wrung a lot of emotion out of the encounter without being cloying. I don't know who directed this episode but I may go back and find out. Might be a cheerful omen if we see that name in the opening credits again.

Wouldn't be surprised if the role-playing "hero" came back in a future episode in some capacity. He's got some dangerous knowledge now. Of course, serialized shows often leave loose ends like that dangling; no biggie.

No Kellog this episode, and barely any Carlos. Another great fight scene, though! This show choreographs and films close personal combat as well as any I've seen.
post #38 of 467
They also kind of left it hanging what conversation her old partner might have had with the agent she was distracting, so Kiera could go about her business.

That nosy agent is kind of being douchy... but I keep having a feeling he isn't bad-douchy... that ultimately he will prove to be a good ally IF he ever knows what is really going on.
post #39 of 467
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

That nosy agent is kind of being douchy... but I keep having a feeling he isn't bad-douchy... that ultimately he will prove to be a good ally IF he ever knows what is really going on.
The FBI?
The Federal Bureau of Idiocy?
Sir, you can't be serious!
post #40 of 467
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

That nosy agent is kind of being douchy... but I keep having a feeling he isn't bad-douchy... that ultimately he will prove to be a good ally IF he ever knows what is really going on.


Oh, he's bad. With the actor they got playing him it would be a waste of talent if he wasn't. smile.gif
post #41 of 467
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That nosy agent is kind of being douchy... but I keep having a feeling he isn't bad-douchy... that ultimately he will prove to be a good ally IF he ever knows what is really going on.

I know it's been years, but I still think of Nicholas Lea as Alex Krycek from the X Files. Rat Boy!
post #42 of 467
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Oh, he's bad. With the actor they got playing him it would be a waste of talent if he wasn't. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I know it's been years, but I still think of Nicholas Lea as Alex Krycek from the X Files. Rat Boy!
+2
post #43 of 467
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I know it's been years, but I still think of Nicholas Lea as Alex Krycek from the X Files. Rat Boy!
I don't know where my head was at but I didn't fully realize who it was until this episode. Rat boy indeed. He's got a rare gift of being slimy and yet strangely likeable at the same time.
post #44 of 467
That's why I'm thinking he will turn good at some point... because it is just so damn obvious for him to be a bad guy... surely the "twist" will be that he will be an ally once he is in on things... and you just know he eventually will be in on things.

Oh, and though nobody mentioned it... Kiera didn't seem to be very concerned about how much her partner had to have blown up the time line by having a huge family! I mean... for all the "I can't change stuff" that Kiera has been on... seems like this episode would have been a HUGE eye opener for her... that the timeline is already blown in many ways... so she might as well try to make things better.
post #45 of 467
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post


Which makes you wonder about the motives of her superiors-are they really the "good guys"? Thats one of the most fascinating things about the series, we don't really know who is the hero or villian. There is at least a possibility that she's fighting for the wrong side.

So, a police force whose primary mission is to root out subversives (that are against corporate greed and resort to violence as a way to gain notice of the cause), are the good guys...hmmm. This is just one particular future we may be heading towards and why this is good science fiction. It definitely makes you wonder who is good and who is evil. I thought this was obvious, no?
post #46 of 467
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Originally Posted by FOPA View Post

So, a police force whose primary mission is to root out subversives (that are against corporate greed and resort to violence as a way to gain notice of the cause), are the good guys...hmmm. This is just one particular future we may be heading towards and why this is good science fiction. It definitely makes you wonder who is good and who is evil. I thought this was obvious, no?

I get your point. You didn't get mine.
post #47 of 467
One day the rabble will wake up, and guillotines will make a strong comeback.... wink.gif
post #48 of 467
That always works out so well
post #49 of 467
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

That always works out so well

Democracy wouldn't be here if it didn't. wink.gif
post #50 of 467
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Democracy wouldn't be here if it didn't. wink.gif
Truth.
post #51 of 467
So I finally caught up with all the episodes and I am torn. While I am enjoying it, it seems to be lacking in multiple areas. The whole, not willing to kill the main characters, especially the liberate 8 group just makes it a moan fest at times because you know nothing is going to happen to them. Its like they tease at Alex going to have a "lair" but that has dragged out and nothing happens. So many hints at cool stuff that never really pans out. First season, lots of use of the suit and its abilities, now, not much, except being on another person who uses it more then the actual person that is suppose to have it on. I find myself not looking forward to it as much as I did, which is sad because it is a great show with lots of potential.
post #52 of 467
Ah, July 4th where we celebrate guillotines, the core of our democracy! Maybe it's that way in Canada but hey, I never knew that.
post #53 of 467
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

So I finally caught up with all the episodes and I am torn. While I am enjoying it, it seems to be lacking in multiple areas. The whole, not willing to kill the main characters, especially the liberate 8 group just makes it a moan fest at times because you know nothing is going to happen to them. Its like they tease at Alex going to have a "lair" but that has dragged out and nothing happens. So many hints at cool stuff that never really pans out. First season, lots of use of the suit and its abilities, now, not much, except being on another person who uses it more then the actual person that is suppose to have it on. I find myself not looking forward to it as much as I did, which is sad because it is a great show with lots of potential.
Won't argue with any of that.
post #54 of 467
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Ah, July 4th where we celebrate guillotines, the core of our democracy!
LOL....nice one.
post #55 of 467
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

So I finally caught up with all the episodes and I am torn. While I am enjoying it, it seems to be lacking in multiple areas. The whole, not willing to kill the main characters, especially the liberate 8 group just makes it a moan fest at times because you know nothing is going to happen to them. Its like they tease at Alex going to have a "lair" but that has dragged out and nothing happens. So many hints at cool stuff that never really pans out. First season, lots of use of the suit and its abilities, now, not much, except being on another person who uses it more then the actual person that is suppose to have it on. I find myself not looking forward to it as much as I did, which is sad because it is a great show with lots of potential.

I understand your point but I'm having a much different reaction to the 2nd season. I'm enjoying it far more than the first. And I liked the first.
post #56 of 467
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...it seems to be lacking in multiple areas. The whole, not willing to kill the main characters, especially the liberate 8 group just makes it a moan fest at times because you know nothing is going to happen to them.

I don't understand this comment at all. They have killed two members of the Liber8 group already, including Kagami, the leader. I don't see them unwilling to kill the characters. If it were a US show, they would not have done even that.
post #57 of 467
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I don't understand this comment at all. They have killed two members of the Liber8 group already, including Kagami, the leader. I don't see them unwilling to kill the characters. If it were a US show, they would not have done even that.

He was introduced later and wasn't part of the main group that came back, that was in every episode, until much later. The core group stays and will always be there. that is what sucks, not moving on to something else.
post #58 of 467
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

The core group stays and will always be there. that is what sucks, not moving on to something else.
I can see where this will become a problem if nothing is done.
Hopefully, the showrunners recognize this and find a solution.
Also, the whole thing with Keira working alongside the cops can't continue forever (as tonite's episode pointed out).
post #59 of 467
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Originally Posted by oink View Post


Hopefully, the showrunners recognize this and find a solution.
Also, the whole thing with Keira working alongside the cops can't continue forever (as tonite's episode pointed out).

Liber8 controls the mayor and are surely responsible for the change of leadership at the stationhouse. Plus we now know Liber8 has infiltrated the police force. Kiera is becoming more and more isolated and can only fully trust her partner. To me the storyline is progressing nicely. As far as noone dying from the Liber8 group, there is a good reason for that too-they're winning.
post #60 of 467
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post



Liber8 controls the mayor and are surely responsible for the change of leadership at the stationhouse. Plus we now know Liber8 has infiltrated the police force. Kiera is becoming more and more isolated and can only fully trust her partner. To me the storyline is progressing nicely. As far as noone dying from the Liber8 group, there is a good reason for that too-they're winning.
I think this partnership with the cops is hamstringing her more than anything else.

She has the ability, at least when her suit is working, to take out Liber8.
Now that Alex has been brought up to speed, she is even more deadly.
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