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post #121 of 618
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

I think JRiver is excellent as well, and their options for music far surpass MB or anything else I've come across. Madvr is also possible with live TV in Jriver, but a poor guide/DVR and no support for HDHomerun prime was a deal breaker for me. I might buy it anyway just for how good the theater view audio player is.
HD Homerun Prime should be working now.
post #122 of 618
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You will love it. That is what I run and it added no more noise to the system and can run all the great high mad-vr levels smile.gif

You are correct I do love it.
post #123 of 618
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What did you have before?

Your a heavy mediabrowser user right ? Your using MB3 Classic configured with MPC-HC as the external player ?
post #124 of 618
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Originally Posted by jriver View Post

HD Homerun Prime should be working now.

Thanks for your on-going support! I have purchased Jriver MC-19 and can't wait to see how your software progresses. The money spent was well worth it as a music player alone. There's plenty of great feature recommendations in the Jriver forum so I won't leave them here, but really if you just make the Guide and recording experience more like WMC, you have THE killer software on your hands for PC audio and videophiles alike.

Edit: Just wanted to also confirm HD Homerun Prime playing nice with Jriver now.
post #125 of 618
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

What did you have before?

Your a heavy mediabrowser user right ? Your using MB3 Classic configured with MPC-HC as the external player ?

Yep.

I had an Nvidia GTX460. I was happy with it for awhile but it generated too much heat to the point I couldn't close the door on the cabinet of my tv stand without the system overheating and restarting itself. This new card runs much cooler and of course the ability to run madvr at it's highest settings is awesome.

I use MPC as an external player yes. I do prefer having everything within MBC, but I had quickly gotten used to the external player launching, it isn't bad at all. Plus MPC is worlds better than WMC's internal player. Subtitles and audio track switching just work, madvr/lav benefits and the fast forwarding/rewinding is so much smoother. I especially love the ability to use the MB-Server remote function with MPC. Makes it feel like it is part of MBC.
post #126 of 618
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Not sure if you guys have been following the new MediaBrowser3 Theater stand alone player project but here is some good related news:

Screen shots:




Notice the ICON tray ??? ^





Lav splitter
Lav audio
Lav video
Reclock
Madvr
XySubFilter

I believe even SVP should be possible biggrin.gif

According to the developers this will be all available in the integrated player without a need for setting external so the integrated overlay features should all work well biggrin.gif

Looks like MediaBrowser3 might be the top choice for front end for the high performance folks.
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For those who are curious for a few more details, MBT will not be using VLC anymore.

Our internal player will be based on DirectShow, and will be made to work with LAV at a minimum. All other components such as Madvr, Reclock and XySubFilter will be optional.

Our installer will install LAV if it’s not already there. We’ll probably do the same for the subtitle filter just to make things easy for everyone, even though it’s technically optional.

The player will integrate seamlessly into the application similar to the mb2 internal player.

http://community.mediabrowser.tv/permalinks/r/14623/61757/mbt-all-your-favorite-toys#61757
post #127 of 618
The 90/10 rule is very important to us. It has to be easy for novices. But having said that, I don't think supporting SVP should be a problem.
post #128 of 618
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The 90/10 rule is very important to us. It has to be easy for novices. But having said that, I don't think supporting SVP should be a problem.

You should test it biggrin.gif There is a small learning curve to set up but nothing beyond your scope. Keep up the great work! News of support for MadVR and the change of MB3 Theater to support DirectShow and LAV is the best news I've read in a while. I am sure it's of interest to many followers of threads like this one.
post #129 of 618
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

You should test it biggrin.gif There is a small learning curve to set up but nothing beyond your scope. Keep up the great work! News of support for MadVR and the change of MB3 Theater to support DirectShow and LAV is the best news I've read in a while. I am sure it's of interest to many followers of threads like this one.

I gotta give that another shot, SVP. I tried it one day and my HTPC overheated immediately smile.gif.

But I do have a new video card now.
post #130 of 618
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Originally Posted by FantaXP7 View Post

I gotta give that another shot, SVP. I tried it one day and my HTPC overheated immediately smile.gif.

But I do have a new video card now.

SVP is definetly tough on your hardware.

I am using an i7 Haswell 4770k with a XFX Radeon 6870 X2 GPU and this combo seems to work pretty well. Originally I thought about upgrading my older GPU but it appears to do very well. ReneTHX had tested and it seems its as good or better than most 7000 series cards, I am not sure why it does so well but it seems adequate so I never upgraded it.

SVP is mostly CPU dependent I believe anyways.

My i7 can run it with MadVr and reclock on max but my HTPC can't without a GPU. My HTPC is a 3570k quad core, but it only runs at level 4. It's not consistent at level 5 depending on what else I have running it can struggle. I have not overclocked it but I guess I could since its on a Z77 Asrock Mobo.

What CPU and card do you have ? What level did you try ?
post #131 of 618
Any reports on the use of >> and << in MB3 theater?
post #132 of 618
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Any reports on the use of >> and << in MB3 theater?

Sorry but...what? smile.gif. Does that mean Fastforward/rewind?
post #133 of 618
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

SVP is definetly tough on your hardware.

I am using an i7 Haswell 4770k with a XFX Radeon 6870 X2 GPU and this combo seems to work pretty well. Originally I thought about upgrading my older GPU but it appears to do very well. ReneTHX had tested and it seems its as good or better than most 7000 series cards, I am not sure why it does so well but it seems adequate so I never upgraded it.

SVP is mostly CPU dependent I believe anyways.

My i7 can run it with MadVr and reclock on max but my HTPC can't without a GPU. My HTPC is a 3570k quad core, but it only runs at level 4. It's not consistent at level 5 depending on what else I have running it can struggle. I have not overclocked it but I guess I could since its on a Z77 Asrock Mobo.

What CPU and card do you have ? What level did you try ?

I had a core i5 760 and a nvidia gtx 460. Had some issues with heat so I downgraded as that was overkill for everyday HTPC use. I now have an i3 2100t and the ati 7770

I probably had way higher settings that I could run. I just tried it quickly and got rid of it. It was pretty cool for cartoon/cgi stuff. Got a little weirded out with standard movies/tv shows.
post #134 of 618
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Any reports on the use of >> and << in MB3 theater?

Sorry but...what? smile.gif. Does that mean Fastforward/rewind?

Yes. Currently under MPC-HC they do not work other than a programmed skip interval in the MPC-HC settings which is slightly better than the pre-determined skip that occurs in WMC's native player. Having full >> and << control in an mkv would be a real nice feature to have.
post #135 of 618
Apologies if this is a stupid question but would PQ be better using madvr to upscale a DVD of an 'old' (pre-2000) movie or using madvr to watch a blu ray (re-?)release of the same movie? Or would it depend on the movie and how 'good' the transfer to blu ray is?
post #136 of 618
A Blu-ray version of a (old) movie is often better than upscaling a DVD version by madVR. Playing back 1080p contents is a lot easier, you can get nice PQ even without madVR.

Film itself has no resolution, it is set only when scanned and digitized by a film scanner. PQ surely depends on this process (and post-procesing such as noise reduction and color adjustments).
post #137 of 618
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

DXVA2 is always the best for every Intel iGPU. Intel iGPU is optimized for running Intel driver's scaling algorithm on ASICs instead of running madVR's own algorithms on EUs (simply because there are not enough EUs for this purpose). You may need a faster memory to play back some video contents (i.e. not film) without dropped frames, however. If you see dropped frames, just stay with EVR (not EVR Custom Presenter), there is no big difference in PQ between EVR DXVA2 and madVR DXVA2 (because of the same Intel driver's algorithm).

renethx, your posts are greatly helpful, however not sure if you had tried intel QS decoder for intel gpus:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162442
Edited by aush - 8/13/13 at 2:00am
post #138 of 618
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renethx, your posts are greatly helpful, however not sure if you had tried intel QS decoder for intel gpus:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228

His post was about scaling algorithms, not decoding. Independent topics. smile.gif
I'm sure renethx knows about the QS decoder from Eric, though.
post #139 of 618
QS (ffdshow's version) could do IVTC and deinterlacing BEFORE the video renderer, that would be great for SVP users. It's still buggy right now.
post #140 of 618
sorry I have posted a wrong link for quicksync, have corrected it as:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162442
post #141 of 618
Basically egur's effort is pulling Intel's HW acceleration (of not only decoding but post-processing) outside DXVA2 framework. LAV Video Decoder supports QSV decoder via egur's and madVR supports basic QSV post-processing (deinterlacing and scaling) via madshi's own. Whichever method you use, PQ is basically the same because it relies on Intel hardware + Intel driver.
Edited by renethx - 8/13/13 at 5:24am
post #142 of 618
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Basically egur's effort is pulling Intel's HW acceleration (of not only decoding but post-processing) outside DXVA2 framework. LAV Video Decoder supports QSV decoder via egur's and madVR supports basic QSV post-processing (deinterlacing and scaling) via madshi's own. Whichever method you use, PQ is basically the same because it relies on Intel hardware + Intel driver.

Thanks renethx! Basically I'm using a 1080p LCD TV, and I mainly watch 1080p moive (90%) and sometime 1080P videos (10%), in my case, what would be the recommended HW? My intention is to use Intel iGPU to setup my htpc, it could be quieter than dedicated GPU.
post #143 of 618
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Basically egur's effort is pulling Intel's HW acceleration (of not only decoding but post-processing) outside DXVA2 framework. LAV Video Decoder supports QSV decoder via egur's and madVR supports basic QSV post-processing (deinterlacing and scaling) via madshi's own. Whichever method you use, PQ is basically the same because it relies on Intel hardware + Intel driver.

Where could I learn more or read more about this ?
post #144 of 618
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Originally Posted by aush View Post

Thanks renethx! Basically I'm using a 1080p LCD TV, and I mainly watch 1080p moive (90%) and sometime 1080P videos (10%), in my case, what would be the recommended HW? My intention is to use Intel iGPU to setup my htpc, it could be quieter than dedicated GPU.

Wait for Pentium (no HDMI 1.4a 3D) or Core i3 (for HDMI 1.4a 3D + up to 20% more processing power by HyperThreading) Haswell processor, that will be available on September 1 (unless you are interested in SVP, Smooth Video Project, for which Core i5 / i7 is recommended).
post #145 of 618
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Where could I learn more or read more about this ?

Eric Gur's posts?
post #146 of 618
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Wait for Pentium (no HDMI 1.4a 3D) or Core i3 (for HDMI 1.4a 3D + up to 20% more processing power by HyperThreading) Haswell processor, that will be available on September 1 (unless you are interested in SVP, Smooth Video Project, for which Core i5 / i7 is recommended).

Thanks!
post #147 of 618
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Wait for Pentium (no HDMI 1.4a 3D) or Core i3 (for HDMI 1.4a 3D + up to 20% more processing power by HyperThreading) Haswell processor, that will be available on September 1 (unless you are interested in SVP, Smooth Video Project, for which Core i5 / i7 is recommended).

Does the hyperthreading make up some difference between an i5 and an i3?

Is i7 the best choice because of hyperthreading ?
post #148 of 618
The only CPU intensive video playback task is SVP, for which Core i7 is the best. Otherwise you can go with any.
post #149 of 618
Just off the top of my head, could SVP theoretically offload more of its work to the GPU? Or is this type of processing destined to remain CPU bound?
post #150 of 618
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Originally Posted by politby View Post

Just off the top of my head, could SVP theoretically offload more of its work to the GPU? Or is this type of processing destined to remain CPU bound?

Umm...

Ummm...

(thinking)


No Idea ... Not my strong suite biggrin.gif

My understanding is SVP is CPU bound because of the calculations it needs to do. I am not sure a GPU would help matters much unless it was the specific CPU processing that GPU is strong at. I don't know enough about how the program works- but knowing that SVP can basically crush any dual core- and even give most quad cores some trouble makes me think a GPU might not help much. GPU is strong at a certain type of processing used in graphics- but not necessarily all types of CPU calculations. They are optimized for specific tasks. SVP would need to be written in a way to take advantage of this. Where a normal CPU is more capable in a general sense, but might lose out to a GPU in a GPU specific optimized process.
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