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post #31 of 68
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 
Err if you bothered to read what I said you would have noticed I said $2,500 to pay a professional to build and set up the speakers. If it takes 50 hours to build and set up 6 extraordinary well built speakers, that'd be about $50 an hour and maybe you could get it for less.
I know what you said. And I am saying, if I figured my labor my custom pair of speakers would have cost $2000. Half of that for all the components. So for 5 it would be more than twice the cost. So then the boxes would be about $500/ea including the veneer, stain, finishing(the veneer and stain were very expensive.)
Just for the XO components/speaker were the same as the price for each Ti tweeter.

A guy who has a shop in a basement or garage is not going to be as automated as a commercial cabinet shop. So therefore, there will be more total hours in labor. But if you were to contract with a cabinet shop, you would be paying for their overhead and profit margin. So its more/less a trade off, either pay for more total hours of labor, or pay for profit. And with a cabinet shop they are probably going to charge around $50/hr. Depending on where that shop is located.
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I mentioned that the parts would probably cost about $8,000 for the 6 speakers.

I'm not talking about building speakers using JBL drivers, I'm talking about speakers using top of the line parts like Scan Speak and TC sounds.
That sounds like a statement from someone who has never seen the high end JBLs. BB only ever sold the low end.
I can not say how the top end JBL drivers compare to Scan Speak, as I've never seen, much less used SS.
I doubt you have ever seen/heard the JBL Ti inverted dome drivers used in the Performance Series (unless you have auditioned Revel Salon2).
And the drivers used in the K2, Everest speakers are better yet. But it really makes no difference which drivers might be used, as to the cost of building the boxes.

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If you get someone who knows what they're doing to build you top of the line cabinets with top of the line parts, you will save boat loads.
Really when you break down a speaker it's just drivers, crossovers and cabinets. Someone with a lot of knowledge in this area can pull this off much cheaper.
And that is what I said, the $2K it cost me to build that pair, would be a drop in the bucket compared to if they had been commercially produced. And I've had many an offer to sell those speakers, mostly by musicians I know. And others have asked to if I could build a pair for them. But I can not where I live now, no availability of parts, and no more shop.
Edited by 4DHD - 7/5/13 at 5:48am
post #32 of 68
A friend of mine built these for me and they sound great

http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=40

It is possible to do what Comp Tech is advocating
post #33 of 68
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Originally Posted by jjwinterberg View Post

A friend of mine built these for me and they sound great

http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&Itemid=40

It is possible to do what Comp Tech is advocating

I never said it could not be done. I'm questioning the cost of the build. As I've built 5 all total.
And unless the end user is also the builder, or some really good friend builds for cheap or free there is still someone's labor to pay.
And in any case, will be $100s or $1000s less than commercial built speakers.
post #34 of 68
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post


It's just surpising I don't read much on here about people going this route.

Maybe you don't read much about it here because this is the $20,000+ forum, not the DIY or bargain speaker area. I've asked a moderator to move this to a more appropriate location.
post #35 of 68
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I never said it could not be done. I'm questioning the cost of the build. As I've built 5 all total.
And unless the end user is also the builder, or some really good friend builds for cheap or free there is still someone's labor to pay.
And in any case, will be $100s or $1000s less than commercial built speakers.

No argument, my friend builds speakers as a hobby and he wanted to see how the Thors sound. He put in probably 100 hours on my speakers. It did cost me some good wine but I know I got a good deal.
post #36 of 68
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

Maybe you don't read much about it here because this is the $20,000+ forum, not the DIY or bargain speaker area. I've asked a moderator to move this to a more appropriate location.

Does this thread offend you sensibilities? This seems like a perfect place to ask this question. There's a thread about someone who built speaker enclosures out of stone and that was pretty interesting.

Speakers are one of the highest mark-up items in a high-end system. You can purchase ultrahigh-end drivers for a fraction of the cost of finished speakers and there are numerous articles and designs available for DIY or custom fabrication. I for one, am interested in others opinions about this.
post #37 of 68
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post

Figuring you could lay down $2,000 for some scan speak illuminator drivers, pay someone who does cabinetry $1,000 for a pair of extremely well made speaker cabinets and a $1000 dollars on active crossovers and equalizers and you're beating out $50,000 speakers for $3,000-4000. I mean while YG acoustics use machined aluminum cabinets and slightly modified illuminator drivers, you could get very, very close to their $100,000+ anat line if you get really good cabinets made.

Also, amongst people who know alot about audio, it's generally accepted that active crossovers are far superior to passive crossovers, so not only would you get great speakers, the audiophiles would gain an advantage with the active crossover.

It's just surpising I don't read much on here about people going this route.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_crossover#Active
I have not tried because I did not like the results of friends who have tried. One friend who has advanced degrees in electrical engineering and physics,doctorate, produced some of the worst sounding speakers I have heard. Another an electrical engineer did not do any better. The first laughed at my speakers, because of the price I had paid and actually set out to beat them. That was 20 years ago however. Perhaps the tools needed are easier to obtain or where not even obtainable then? My fear is that I could spend a lot of money and end up with a very "colored" pairs of speakers like a friend's that were built with custom cabinets by a guy who actually has a lot of experience building speakers. I think a $2000 pair of PSB speakers can bet those speakers and it has been further reason for me not to try.
post #38 of 68
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Originally Posted by jjwinterberg View Post

Does this thread offend your sensibilities?

I for one, am interested in others' opinions about this.

No. Why would it?

That you're interested is great. There are lots of places to discuss this very topic and get other folks' opinions. This thread should be in one of those places.
post #39 of 68
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

No. Why would it?

There are lots of places to discuss this very topic and get other folks' opinions. This thread should be in one of those places.

Not necessarily!! I am in the process of selecting a respected loudspeaker manufacturer with expertise in the Accuton Diamond Tweetr to build a series of speakers that fit this particular multi-channel array.Because there is a fabric canopy surrounding the space



While the spec says Kharma, the degree of customization is available from other vendors, like www.surrountec.de - I will have 3 such vendors propose. While the speakers will be built by professionals the design could sprout in this very thread, if I chose so...




As a starting point my BIM designer took the outside dimensions of the existing Kharma exquisite models and created these cubes to pop them into the space and see how they would work. The initial screen size is 200 inches wide 2-1ar. That is what is shown.There are collisions.









These are early work in progress positions ( my BIM man obviously is unaware that you don't place center channels on the floor) I am willing to reduce screen size by 5% as well as making the over the screen speakers way narrower and pushing the screen up to have the center channels some 15" above floor.















These are other highly celebrated German Speakers using the accuton diamond ceramic combo.There are 4 other highly respected manufacturers using a complete Accuton bill of materials or the ceramic driver portion.





This is the 7,000 Euro 2" mid-hi 50mm:
http://www.accuton.de/drivers/detail.php?driver=27&matID=1&appID=2

This is the 8" ceramic sandwich bass:
http://www.accuton.de/drivers/detail.php?driver=38&matID=2&appID=4

This is the 11" sandwich bass:
http://www.accuton.de/drivers/detail.php?driver=31&matID=2&appID=4


Why Diamonds?

The diamonds saved Bowers and Wilkins from sounding horrible to once again becoming a worthy contender to the best.

Currently I am deploying ribbon Quested speakers in my system ALBIORIX but for EUROPA I want to pull out all the stops..
Edited by CINERAMAX - 7/7/13 at 7:54pm
post #40 of 68
I'm sure you're talking about more than $2500 each using off-the-shelf Seas or Scan-Speak drivers. wink.gif

Now what you're doing, that's a relevant topic.
post #41 of 68
I'm dead serious though.

With the intellectual audiophile firepower in this forum, we could address a broad range of issues and because the project is real, and the patron will pay for demonstrable single digit percentage performance improvements we could take residential surround sound into new territory....

Lets say that there are 5 front speakers that use dual 2 inch diamond mid range tweeters, if like to review the dynaudio temptations to consider the way Dyn fed each esotar a different signal.

Also interesting fore thew under the screen 3 channels Center and Center Left, and Center Right. The Confidence center has a throwswitch that by delaying the top Esotar a bit Elevates the virtual image bya bout a foot and a half. Confidence Center feature. Also meridian speakers have this audio tilt.

Left right speaker would be d'ppolito but show be automated to converge in one of three setting for each row. Front row and the laser pointers on the speakers would converge in the center of the front row, the same for center row and back row presets.
Edited by CINERAMAX - 7/8/13 at 9:45pm
post #42 of 68
Psycho-acoustically do not concern yourself with the TORUS screen, I've got that. You can ask Mark Hafflich who heard the Prometheus room 2 years ago with the Tact and found little issue if any with the SQ in this Torus room. If the system sounded excellent with the Tact after Carl Huff pulled the center channel forward into the room, out of the screen (time delay), and added a bit of air with and a triffle of balls at 40hz; nopt to mention the awesomeness of the datasat-IT SOUNDS DIVINE. And the screen an image like very few of you have experienced...the TORUS is the love of my life...

EQwise this was the departure from textbook Floyd Toole JBL Synth one with the roll off after 16k and all, JBL, and Carl arrived at the same curve solution from different paths.

The prometheus speaker array with the flanking large dappolitos now sounds super with the mark levinson and the dynaudio c4's. So we start with something great and then we pull out all the stops, increase the headroom, eliminate transient sizzle and reduce compression...






Edited by CINERAMAX - 7/8/13 at 9:44pm
post #43 of 68
Peter,

Just because it's uber expensive doesn't mean it's best.

All those direct-radiating drivers will likely be a phase-incoherent mess, except maybe at a few listening positions.

I suggest you research Tom Danley's Synergy Horn systems.
post #44 of 68
Valid points Noah,

Some of the speakers do not need be dual diamond D'apolito (only the front which are far field) surrounds can be a 2 way combination woofer to 1,200 and single diamond mid/high above. The dispersion coverage is crucial.

But I want to stay away from horns. I have as a standard the Prometheus confidence based TORUS system and the Dione Temptation LCR and 4 Confidence 4 surrounds. That is the sound I am pursuing, I just love the realism of the Diamond tweeter and are looking for more spl without giving away refinement..

All i need in MID HF dispersion is the width of the listening area (about 60 degrees) 180 even horizontal dispersion is not needed, the room is SUPER Damped except for strategic diffusion in the surrounds.

I do expect to have to deal with phase issues on the over under channel mainly for the center channel, the LC and RC channels are under the screen only with the dual tweeter elevation trick. Only the true center channel is a combination of below and above screen. The left and right speakers over the screen are height fx.

The system phase can be managed with Trinov.

Thanks again for the point regarding excess number of drivers.

Another consideration would be motorizing the screen tilt for the sides, top, and bottom array that way if you sit in the middle row the above and below the screen speakers servo-tilt accordingly to memory, the same with the left and right column.A sound bar above and a sound bar below tilting to preset memory for audience targeting. Presets would be called to optimize each memory.
post #45 of 68
Peter, will you be actively crossing them using the Trinnov crossover functionality?

(I'm going to go from passive to active early next year.)
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

The dispersion coverage is crucial.
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I just love the realism of the Diamond tweeter and are looking for more spl without giving away refinement.

The trouble with direct radiators is that the dispersion/directivity is constantly changing with frequency, so you can have smooth freq response on axis or off axis (pick the angle) but not both.

As for refinement, some who have systems using the SEOS (super elliptical oblate spheroid) waveguides developed in the DIY Speaker forum say they give up nothing to electrostatics.

Have you heard a Synergy system?

I couldn't find Tom Danley's post, but recently he said that they're so coherent/point source that even if you put your head inside the horn, the sound can't be localized to the drivers, it sounds like it's coming from "out there" somewhere.

You can also take comfort in that they're not inexpensive smile.gif
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

The trouble with direct radiators is that the dispersion/directivity is constantly changing with frequency, so you can have smooth freq response on axis or off axis (pick the angle) but not both.

That's the 'rule of thumb' but not all cone/dome speakers measure like that. Well designed cone/dome speakers can have very flat on and off axis response both laterally and sometimes vertically, at least through the frequency above which the baffle width controls radiation and below the frequency at which the tweeter starts to beam due to it's size. Now don't get me wrong I am generally not a fan of cone/dome especially for high performance home theater!

Some examples that come to mind are YG at one end of the price spectrum, Genelec in the mid price and Event monitors at the low end. The commonality is use of a waveguide for the tweeter.
post #48 of 68
No reason to build your own when the cost of the Seaton Catalysts are so reasonable! smile.gif
post #49 of 68
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I know what you said. And I am saying, if I figured my labor my custom pair of speakers would have cost $2000. Half of that for all the components. So for 5 it would be more than twice the cost. So then the boxes would be about $500/ea including the veneer, stain, finishing(the veneer and stain were very expensive.)
Just for the XO components/speaker were the same as the price for each Ti tweeter.

A guy who has a shop in a basement or garage is not going to be as automated as a commercial cabinet shop. So therefore, there will be more total hours in labor. But if you were to contract with a cabinet shop, you would be paying for their overhead and profit margin. So its more/less a trade off, either pay for more total hours of labor, or pay for profit. And with a cabinet shop they are probably going to charge around $50/hr. Depending on where that shop is located.
That sounds like a statement from someone who has never seen the high end JBLs. BB only ever sold the low end.
I can not say how the top end JBL drivers compare to Scan Speak, as I've never seen, much less used SS.
I doubt you have4 ever seen/heard the JBL Ti inverted dome drivers used in the Performance Series (unless you have auditioned Revel Salon2).
And the drivers used in the K2, Everest speakers are better yet. But it really makes no difference which drivers might be used, as to the cost of building the boxes.
And that is what I said, the $2K it cost me to build that pair, would be a drop in the bucket compared to if they had been commercially produced. And I've had many an offer to sell those speakers, mostly by musicians I know. And others have asked to if I could build a pair for them. But I can not where I live now, no availability of parts, and no more shop.

I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make here.

I said each speaker including labor would cost about $1,750 each or $3,500 a pair which is more than what you've quoted.

And I'm sure JBL makes some good premium speakers, but since you haven't heard much of scan speak you wouldn't know their d3004 tweeter is considered by many as the greatest tweater in the world while their midrange and woofers are considered to be the best of the best too.

It's just that scan speak who is owned by the same people who own dynaudio and skanning or audio technologies are the best of the best. They're mainly used in $50,000+ speakers they're untouchable.

Either way, I think an experienced speaker builder should be known on here for doing this practice and could cater to the $20,000+ crowd a speaker building business since you get a huge bang for your buck. I'm sure people who don't come in this section of avs forum often or if ever, including myself, would be interested too.

When I walk in to the high fidelity market I can assure you I will not be spending $30-40,000 on a kef and velodyne set up which both reference lines are about the best of the best as in at that point you've hit 99% of as good as you can get.
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

Maybe you don't read much about it here because this is the $20,000+ forum, not the DIY or bargain speaker area. I've asked a moderator to move this to a more appropriate location.

Since when did upper class people start disliking a good deal? I didn't mean DIY when I started this thread I meant pay someone to do it I should have been more clear.

Even if I were worth $10,000,000 I could never spend $50,000 on speakers. It's just on general principle that I know most parts are available 3rd party and you could just easily pay a professional to do a good job.

Sure I'd buy a Rollys Royce, a Lamborghini or a Ferrari and I know they take more than a genorous over head, but you can't exactly get someone to build you one from scratch.

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And also referring to scan speak as common off the shelf drivers is ridiculous. Scan speak is owned by dynaudio they're the best of the best. While I know people like Accuton, scan speak is more well respected in most circles.

Are the $100,000 YG Acoustic Anat Reference II speakers that use a scan speak illuminator d3004 tweeter and scan speak illuminator midrange and woofers crap because they use "off the shelf scan speak drivers"?


I made this thread because these $20,000+ speakers use drivers and components you could buy yourself.


Cinermax knows what's up ha ha kudos to him.
Edited by ComputerTech0903 - 7/15/13 at 1:06am
post #50 of 68
Saying Dynaudio is the best is only your opinion. I am quite sure Greg Timbers @ JBL would put his DD67000 against Anything Dynaudio.
I've seen many comments saying Dynaudio was NOT their favorite brand when they were comparing high end speakers.
post #51 of 68
Thread Starter 
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Saying Dynaudio is the best is only your opinion. I am quite sure Greg Timbers @ JBL would put his DD67000 against Anything Dynaudio.
I've seen many comments saying Dynaudio was NOT their favorite brand when they were comparing high end speakers.

Well first off I don't know why you're trolling about dynaudio it's not dynaudio it's scan speak and if you search d3004 you'll find it's reputation.

And second off I've never heard a negative thing about dynaudio ever and I've read a lot. You'll find people who say they don't like lamborghinis it doesn't mean they're right. It's borderline insane to question dynaudios quality at that point your trolling. I'm sure they're not everyone's favorite but they're consistently up there in the best of the best.

And I'm sure the high end jbl speakers are great but your being argumentative to the point where I want to slap you the whole point of this thread was saving money not questioning jbl's fidelity or how much you'd charge to build a pair of speakers argh stop posting off topic.
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post

You'll find people who say they don't like lamborghinis it doesn't mean they're right.

Of course they're right, unless you're asserting that you know better than them what they like.
post #53 of 68
I am not trolling anything...YOU are the one who mentioned Dynaudio, as in they are/use scan speak drivers. And YOU are the one proclaiming they are the best. So you are the one off topic.
I would not be so ignorant as to proclaim XX speakers are the best, when there is no way in the world I have auditioned every speaker made. I could not begin to say which speaker is the best....and even if I could, it would purely subjective...as in an opinion.
But in some posts I have read, of people doing auditions, they did not think Dynaudio were the best, in their opinion. I personally have no opinion of Dynaudio.

First you want someone to build a pair of speaker boxes for $1000. Then a few posts down you want to have someone build five boxes and install them for $2500. Is the guy suppose to install/setup for free? Last time I did math, 2/1000 was the same as 5/2500.
So then you would be asking that cabinet maker to install/setup a MC system for free.
You might get one pair setup for free, not a five considering the time it takes to do a MC setup.
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

I am not trolling anything...YOU are the one who mentioned Dynaudio, as in they are/use scan speak drivers. And YOU are the one proclaiming they are the best. So you are the one off topic.
I would not be so ignorant as to proclaim XX speakers are the best, when there is no way in the world I have auditioned every speaker made. I could not begin to say which speaker is the best....and even if I could, it would purely subjective...as in an opinion.
But in some posts I have read, of people doing auditions, they did not think Dynaudio were the best, in their opinion. I personally have no opinion of Dynaudio.

First you want someone to build a pair of speaker boxes for $1000. Then a few posts down you want to have someone build five boxes and install them for $2500. Is the guy suppose to install/setup for free? Last time I did math, 2/1000 was the same as 5/2500.
So then you would be asking that cabinet maker to install/setup a MC system for free.
You might get one pair setup for free, not a five considering the time it takes to do a MC setup.

This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

If I understand you right you meant how I mentioned $1,000 or $2,500 labor for just building as opposed to paying extra money to set up the speakers then you're wayyyyyyy over thinking this like wayyy over thinking.

If it's setting up active crossovers and equalizers on 6 speakers I'm guessing that's 5-6 hours of work if you know what your doing, or $250-300 at $50 an hour which is included in the $2,500. $2,200 to build 6 speakers is a great deal of money.

Even if $2,500 isn't enough, then $3,000. Big deal. Semantics. I was just guessing get a life I'm not giving a real life quote on work that is actually going to happen it's theoretical. Lol. I actually just laughed because this is so ridiculous. Arguing about nonsense.

Jeeeeze.

And screw scan speak any high end driver there are many 3rd party drivers that are great and used in comparable $20,000+ speakers I don't really care what anyone uses the manufacturer is irrelevant it was an example I was only using it as an example for the concept that I was trying to convey don't get stuck on the manufacturer. I just didn't like that people said scan speak was an off the shelf brand and they weren't meant for the $20,000+ forum when the drivers are high end reserved for uber expensive speakers even though they only cost $300-500 a piece. There are many $20,000+ speakers that don't use tweeters that cost over $50 let alone $300. Should they not be in the $20,000 forum? Some $20,000+ speakers use incredibly cheap drivers.

The whole point of this thread is that many $20,000+ speakers use "off the shelf" drivers like scan speak or even much cheaper Vifa tweeters and you could just cut out the middle man and save boat loads like Cinermax is doing.

There are very few speakers that use very expensive drivers like the accuton diamond tweeter or midrange, most try to save money by using the cheapest ones they can possibly get their hands on.

Sorry for being off topic this was really bugging me.

Either way I'm glad to see Cinermax is doing something like this and saving boat loads. Kudos to him. Kharma grand exquisites cost $220,00 a pair, and I'm sure he's not going to be spending that, or at least I hope so.
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Of course they're right, unless you're asserting that you know better than them what they like.

And booo it's well regarded that Lamborghinis are awesome and most people like them. People aren't wrong if they don't like them, but that doesn't mean it's not a great car because some people don't like them which applies to what I was talking about dynaudio speakers.

Although I think most people can agree that those cars that you see driving around on the highways that are in the shape of a cube are ridiculous. Haha. smile.gif



Either way, let's drop it and if anyone has any further thoughts on the topic then good luck.
Edited by ComputerTech0903 - 7/16/13 at 1:18am
post #55 of 68
Who doesn't like an Esotar?...

In any event I am taking my high end customized speaker design project into it's own thread. TOO MUCH STATIC HER.rolleyes.gif
post #56 of 68
Hey Peter, how successful is Trinnov at allowing a true high fidelity image of those over/under center channels? I have been toying with the idea in my mind of adding another Seaton Catalyst center channel and doing this over/under on my next theater build and going to a non AT screen. I guess Trinnov is the only software with this center channel combining feature?

Right now all three of my fronts are behind my screen. My future theater in my mind's eye will be much larger, allowing the left and right speakers to be beside the screen and also to have many feet of breathing room from the side walls.



What sonic tradeoffs are there in this over/under center channel scenario (again, using Trinnov) vs a single center behind the screen?
post #57 of 68
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Hey Peter, how successful is Trinnov at allowing a true high fidelity image of those over/under center channels? I have been toying with the idea in my mind of adding another Seaton Catalyst center channel and doing this over/under on my next theater build and going to a non AT screen. I guess Trinnov is the only software with this center channel combining feature?

Right now all three of my fronts are behind my screen. My future theater in my mind's eye will be much larger, allowing the left and right speakers to be beside the screen and also to have many feet of breathing room from the side walls.



What sonic tradeoffs are there in this over/under center channel scenario (again, using Trinnov) vs a single center behind the screen?

I'm pretty sure you can do the over / under thing with Anthem's D2, also you could do it manually using a pro DSP.

I've also done a dual center arrangement using two separate AVRs.
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post

Figuring you could lay down $2,000 for some scan speak illuminator drivers, pay someone who does cabinetry $1,000 for a pair of extremely well made speaker cabinets and a $1000 dollars on active crossovers and equalizers and you're beating out $50,000 speakers for $3,000-4000. I mean while YG acoustics use machined aluminum cabinets and slightly modified illuminator drivers, you could get very, very close to their $100,000+ anat line if you get really good cabinets made.

Also, amongst people who know alot about audio, it's generally accepted that active crossovers are far superior to passive crossovers, so not only would you get great speakers, the audiophiles would gain an advantage with the active crossover.

It's just surpising I don't read much on here about people going this route.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_crossover#Active

People approach the hobby with different interests and skill. There are those who enjoy the building, designing, and implementing of individual components, and there are those who get enjoyment from watching/listening to their systems. Many people in this forum have the financial means to purchase expensive equipment and prefer to do so. The vast majority of folks in this forum who are willing to spend 5 figures or more on speakers would derive no enjoyment from building speakers. Additionally, I'm certain that it's more cost effective for some people in this forum to purchase $100,000 + loudspeakers than it would be to spend the time building them even if the parts had zero cost.
post #59 of 68
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Hey Peter, how successful is Trinnov at allowing a true high fidelity image of those over/under center channels?

With Trinnov you wouldn't need to do that if the L/R are appreciably higher than the center; it will use them to raise the center image.
post #60 of 68
Even for far off center viewers, like the edge seats in a 5 wide array?
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