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Cool. Hi. I don't think Sony is pretending this is a make believe laser projector. They have been very forth coming about what it is in their technical materials. It is designed to fulfill the needs of a let's call it, a commercial projector where low maintenance, read long life illumination source, and lots of lumens are required.
Sony call the VPL-FHZ55 a True Laser projector in all their promotion, even if they have admitted it is a hybrid laser phosphorus, where the phosphorus is what creates the light.

What will then call a really true Laser projector where they use RGB lasers to create the three primaries (Kodak/Imax), or combined for white light (Christie & Barco) where the light from the Laser is hitting the LCD Panels/DMD directly?

That is what I want to point out and call it Sony's make.believe.



This is the construction design for the Sony VPL-FHZ55. No laser is hitting the LCDs and only blue laser to excite the phosphorous wheel.
Very similar to some other laser/LED hydrides where they use a Red LED for Red and blue laser for blue and same phosphorus wheel for Green.

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I was quite disappointed when I recently learnt that Christie Laser projector which they have demoed, is using RGB laser for creating white light and not RGB for creating each primary colors.
I only guess that Barco does the same.
Probably to make it easier to retrofit Series-2 projectors with Laser light engine.
Wonder if they get the advantage of the Laser Ètendue in this construction?

As far as I remember, the Kodak projector use RGB for each of the primaries.

So to have a true RGB laser projector one has to make it from scratch.

How the Red Laser projector is constructed we don't know. Is it true RGB or white light?
To be able to do the claimed 4K~3D for each eye, I will guess it has to be dual head when they use Lcos.
I just hope this delay, among others because they had to move engineering resources to the development of the Dragon sensor, make them rethink the use of Lcos and move to DLP (wishful thinking, I know tongue.gif ).

But when they started the work on the Redray projector they only had been using a Sony SXRD projector at Red studios, but now when they have had a Barco 4K projector in-house for a long time, how can they be satisfied with designing a Lcos projector. biggrin.gif

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Despite what someone on the Red forum says. for high lumens true laser projectors are concerned there are present regulatory barriers. the FDA has not signed off on high powered laser projectors. They have only signed off to the Kodak laser and have stated they will not issue another exemption but will require industry and health and safety community consensus and completion of an informal rulemaking. Informal means legally under the APA not on the record or a trial like proceeding. It means a notice and comment rulemaking. Low powered class two lasers could come to market but I think that would have to be not a green laser but someother other type such as a spinning green phosphor wheel such as Panasonic reportedly has.
Yes, I was the first to inform about this here at AVS. If anybody at Reduser says something different it is because they don't know about this. The projector manufacturers hasn't exactly been forthcoming in giving the FDA rules as a reason for why they don't launch their Laser projectors.

It is also important to make a distinction between the approval Kodak obtained from the FDA, which happened quite some time before they licensed their Laser projector design to Imax.

It is easy for a company like Imax which doesn't have very many theatres to confirm to the FDA rule for Lasers, in the same way a lot of museums do for their laser driven planetariums and concert tours and arenas does it, even if they use lasers that can do real damage.

It is quite impossible to sell Laser projectors that will end up in any cinema, post projection facility and peoples home theatres worldwide without braking all the outdated laws and risk heavy fines.
That would become a administrative nightmare.

That's why LIPA is working on a obtaining technical data from projector manufacturers that will make Laser projectors and try to get a unified agreement they can get FDA to agree to.
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from reading press releases on the FDA's exemption for the Kodak laser, they appear to say the laser is approved for projector use and is not limited to the Imax projector which is licensed by Kodak to use its laser. Obviously, I am not sure of these specifics.
post #93 of 241
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23 days left before departure wink.gif

Here the informations about the new EPSON (better call them refreshment as new models) :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484998/epson-eh-tw9200-eh-tw9200-ifa-berlin-2013

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484993/epson-eh-tw8200w-eh-tw8200-epson-2014-models-ifa-berlin-2014
post #94 of 241
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But doń´t be afraid, others Brands will revealed new exciting Projectors.
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But doń´t be afraid, others Brands will revealed new exciting Projectors.

Like Acer for example.
post #96 of 241
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Like Acer for example.

What exciting do Acer have? Probably NDA until IFA starts
post #97 of 241
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23 days left before departure wink.gif

Here the informations about the new EPSON (better call them refreshment as new models) :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484998/epson-eh-tw9200-eh-tw9200-ifa-berlin-2013

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484993/epson-eh-tw8200w-eh-tw8200-epson-2014-models-ifa-berlin-2014

Any word if they will have a reflective LCD product for this year?
post #98 of 241
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Nope and we won't have confirmation before IFA and blee0120 is right I'm now under NDA for a couple of new exciting projectors.
post #99 of 241
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Nope and we won't have confirmation before IFA and blee0120 is right I'm now under NDA for a couple of new exciting projectors.

Can you give us a hint if these exciting new projectors are in the $3000+ msrp category?
post #100 of 241
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No I'm really sorry, but I will give you all here the 4 September.
post #101 of 241
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No I'm really sorry, but I will give you all here the 4 September.


No problem, that was expected. Can't wait to hear about them
post #102 of 241
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A little teaser wink.gif
post #103 of 241
Kraine. You are such a night street lady. smile.gif
post #104 of 241
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I take that as a compliment mark wink.gifbiggrin.gif
post #105 of 241
Of course it was meant as a compliment. You are one of the best you tease. smile.gif
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So my dear street walking tease, the title page or soon thereafter page of your video says 4K, Laser, 3D, so for the even the most plebian of detectives here you just blew your NDA and gave it all away. Everything except the brand.
post #108 of 241
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So my dear street walking tease, the title page or soon thereafter page of your video says 4K, Laser, 3D, so for the even the most plebian of detectives here you just blew your NDA and gave it all away. Everything except the brand.
This pleb would put a bob on Sony smile.gif . 4K 1000es expertise and the just to market vplz55 laser 2d and sony's predilection to shake up the industry . Just right to plug the carousel into ? Other speculation welcome wink.gif
post #109 of 241
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Well let the investigations for the law enforcement professionnals wink.gif All the titles aren't related to only one projectors and some of them are already available like the LG HECTO or the VPL-FHZ55. For the others....... 12 days to wait wink.gif
post #110 of 241
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Well let the investigations for the law enforcement professionnals wink.gif All the titles aren't related to only one projectors and some of them are already available like the LG HECTO or the VPL-FHZ55. For the others....... 12 days to wait wink.gif

Thanks for the clarification kraine ; I thought I was glueing pieces that don't really fit in order to elicit a smidgen of info biggrin.gif; laser 3d doesn't make sense with the 55es uhp coming smile.gif
post #111 of 241
Why not a laser 3D 4K. We have bulb 3d 4K now. And God knows laser could be mean anything starting with a glowing white phosphor disc excited by a peanut whistle blue laser to separate red, blue and green laser beams. There are lots of companies that have laser lit phosphor systems of one sort or another.
post #112 of 241
How about a single chip tricolour laser excited phospher wheel for 2D, and a dual chip for 3D..........biggrin.gif
post #113 of 241
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Why not a laser 3D 4K. We have bulb 3d 4K now. And God knows laser could be mean anything starting with a glowing white phosphor disc excited by a peanut whistle blue laser to separate red, blue and green laser beams. There are lots of companies that have laser lit phosphor systems of one sort or another.

Oh certainly Mark ; was referring to releases @ ifa from sony . I think sony if anyone are in a position to give us a 4k laser projector eventually for the reasons I elicited before smile.gif Ime happy the optoma hd 90/91 is coming sooner even if it's a led hybrid cool.gif
post #114 of 241
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JVC won't present their new range of DLA projectors in Berlin but we have almost all the informations here :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1487574/jvc-dla-x500-dla-x700-and-dla-x900-new-jvc-european-range-2013-2014
post #115 of 241
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But EPSON will be there with this new projectors :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484998/epson-eh-tw9200-eh-tw9200-ifa-berlin-2013

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1484993/epson-eh-tw8200w-eh-tw8200-epson-2014-models-ifa-berlin-2014

and now we are waiting for the official release of SONY new projectors.
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post #117 of 241
Kraine. When you post a foreign language to most here could you please post a version translated to English.

I gather that article is referring to the 4K projector below the 1000ES. I think there will also be another 4K projector shown.
post #118 of 241
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Sorry Mark I was outside and I was using my Iphone to post the link. Here is the translation :

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.projection-homecinema.fr%2F2013%2F08%2F28%2Fsortie-du-remplacant-du-sony-vw95es-modele-4k-dans-7-jours%2F

7 Days to go before the official announcement.
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I have open a dedicated video channel on youtube for the live cover of IFA BERLIN 2013, here is the adress :

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6ND7f85Ed3LGVBCGc27n6Q
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