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post #31 of 233
Ok then stay with the original plan.

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post #32 of 233
Wow, crowd sourcing at its best. This blog is so awesome!!! biggrin.gif
post #33 of 233
Yeah, lets just continue with the plan as is. Don't want to add the confusion of returning money through paypal with all their fees and nonsense. I hear tell Ricci has never tested a JTR sub. Anyone got one of those? I think we may have started something here....
post #34 of 233
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Soon as we get the VTF15H sub tested, I will make a poll thread on which sub we want to target next! My goal is to get all of the popular subs measured by Josh so folks have apples to apples data to compare. I feel this is extremely important for folks buying ID subs sight unseen or heard!
post #35 of 233
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Soon as we get the VTF15H sub tested, I will make a poll thread on which sub we want to target next! My goal is to get all of the popular subs measured by Josh so folks have apples to apples data to compare. I feel this is extremely important for folks buying ID subs sight unseen or heard!
I agree, its a great tool to help out potential buyers, thanks to everybody who pitched in to get this HSU VTF-15 tested, what a great bunch of people, wish i couldve gave more, but im vary stingey with my money, but im glad i gave a little bit.
post #36 of 233
What's the time frame for the testing on HSU VTF-15 thanks.
post #37 of 233
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Chris should have the check today, I am guessing he will ship it out next week and possibly Ricci can test within the next couple weeks. I dont know either one personally, so depending on thier life style and current events, your guess is as good as mine.
post #38 of 233
Your efforts are certainly laudable, and the more stuff that appears on data-bass.com the better, but was all this even necessary? Josh has very solid cred in this industry, so I have to assume he would have been able to contact Dr. Hsu -- or just about anyone else for that matter -- and secure virtually anything he wanted. If I can get subs from all these companies, free of charge, then surely Josh must be able to as well. He's miles ahead of me in this arena, yet even I have almost no problems at his point. I haven't paid for shipping in the better part of two years, so I doubt any company would ask Josh to.
post #39 of 233
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Your efforts are certainly laudable, and the more stuff that appears on data-bass.com the better, but was all this even necessary? Josh has very solid cred in this industry, so I have to assume he would have been able to contact Dr. Hsu -- or just about anyone else for that matter -- and secure virtually anything he wanted. If I can get subs from all these companies, free of charge, then surely Josh must be able to as well. He's miles ahead of me in this arena, yet even I have almost no problems at his point. I haven't paid for shipping in the better part of two years, so I doubt any company would ask Josh to.

Josh contacted me saying more than likely hsu would not send a sub out to test...especially after all the testing that it has been thru. He also said he was willing to test the vtf15 being we could get one to him. It was initially Saints idea, I just started the donation thread. Was it necesssary, well evidently the folks that donated thought it was. smile.gif
Edited by basshead81 - 6/21/13 at 6:11pm
post #40 of 233
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Your efforts are certainly laudable, and the more stuff that appears on data-bass.com the better, but was all this even necessary? Josh has very solid cred in this industry, so I have to assume he would have been able to contact Dr. Hsu -- or just about anyone else for that matter -- and secure virtually anything he wanted. If I can get subs from all these companies, free of charge, then surely Josh must be able to as well. He's miles ahead of me in this arena, yet even I have almost no problems at his point. I haven't paid for shipping in the better part of two years, so I doubt any company would ask Josh to.

While not totally necessary, I feel that it was a good idea. Like you said yourself Josh has a solid cred in the industry and people put a lot into the info he provides with his test measurements. And a lot of the time debates can even get a little heated!....lol
And most of the times the measurement numbers from data-bass.com always referenced so IMO the subs he has listed on his web page the better people can be informed and help the make a buying descion.

I think the more subs Josh can test and have listed on his site the better.
post #41 of 233
I'm certainly not attempting to diminish your efforts -- so please don't misconstrue my post -- I was just wondering if it was really necessary. I can pick up the phone right now and call Ed Mullen (SVS), Brian Ding (Rythmik), Tom Vodhanel (PSA), Mark Seaton, Jeff Permanian (JTR) and several others and they would know who I was and be willing to send me almost anything I asked for. Josh is far more established than I am, so it just seemed surprising that he wouldn't be able to do the same thing. Anything is possible, of course, so who knows.

Either way... if he ends up with another sub to test all the better. I use data-bass.com like everyone else does, and it certainly has become the defacto site for comparison, so I definitely look forward to any new additions he posts.
post #42 of 233
I think it comes down to the fact that Josh didn't think HSU would be willing to send him one. And since the 15h gets brought up when people recommend subs it's great to have some reliable numbers on it. And it was nice that we could split the costs for shipping among a few members, i would be willing to do it more often if the opportunity arises. I would LOVE to see Josh test a XS30 from PSA but sadly I don't think that will be happening anytime from what Tom has said.

And for the record Jim, I think you do great work too with your sub tests.
post #43 of 233
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I'm certainly not attempting to diminish your efforts -- so please don't misconstrue my post -- I was just wondering if it was really necessary. I can pick up the phone right now and call Ed Mullen (SVS), Brian Ding (Rythmik), Tom Vodhanel (PSA), Mark Seaton, Jeff Permanian (JTR) and several others and they would know who I was and be willing to send me almost anything I asked for. Josh is far more established than I am, so it just seemed surprising that he wouldn't be able to do the same thing. Anything is possible, of course, so who knows.

Either way... if he ends up with another sub to test all the better. I use data-bass.com like everyone else does, and it certainly has become the defacto site for comparison, so I definitely look forward to any new additions he posts.

Oh no I didnt think that at all...hince the smiley. My apologies if my reply lead you to believe that!! I appreciate everything you have done here and over at HT shack! I have learned alot from reading your posts!!
post #44 of 233
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I would LOVE to see Josh test a XS30 from PSA but sadly I don't think that will be happening anytime from what Tom has said.

Tom has always been amenable to reviews, so I'm surprised to hear that. I'll see if I can make the necessary arrangements to get Josh an XS30.

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And for the record Jim, I think you do great work too with your sub tests.
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Oh no I didnt think that at all...hince the smiley. My apologies if my reply lead you to believe that!! I appreciate everything you have done here and over at HT shack! I have learned alot from reading your posts!!

Much appreciated! I put a lot of time and effort into those reviews, so I'm glad when I hear someone enjoys them.
post #45 of 233
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Tom has always been amenable to reviews, so I'm surprised to hear that. I'll see if I can make the necessary arrangements to get Josh an XS30.

Much appreciated! I put a lot of time and effort into those reviews, so I'm glad when I hear someone enjoys them.

I think Tom just basically said that while they'd like to have Josh test one at the time there really isn't much point. They are selling faster then they can make them so there's no need to hype them anymore at that point. I don't think that he meant he wouldn't ever send him one to test, but just at this moment it just didn't make sense.

Like I said though I'd love to have Josh put one threw its paces, and I think that would be awesome if you could make that happen Jim.
post #46 of 233
I think HSU is making a mistake by not sending a sub for testing. I'm sure whatever sub is being sent has been well taken care of and the shippers won't break anything, but why wouldn't HSU make sure the test sub is in excellent shape? If the sub is defective in a subtle manner or not up to snuff then they could lose a lot of sales.
post #47 of 233
Let me clear up a few things...
Saints and Basshead81 were discussing the potential of sending one of Saints subs to me to get it added into DB so I pm'd them to say that I would be willing to do it.

I never attempted to contact HSU at all. Actually I have never personally contacted any sub manufacturer and asked for a review unit that I can remember...Typically either the manufacturer contacts me, AH contacts me to let me know what is coming, an owner contacts me, or I acquire something that intrigues me enough through that old motivator known as green-backs (usually raw drivers or amps for DIY type stuff). Anyway I never attempted to contact HSU. I did make a comment to the effect that HSU may not exactly jump at the chance to spend more resources sending out yet another VTF15H for one more round of measurements when the other 3?...4?...Times around caused such confusion and heated debate. That was pure speculation on my part though.
post #48 of 233
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^Thanks for clearing that up Josh! Hoping Chris can ship the sub out next week.
post #49 of 233
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Chris recieved the check and is planning on shipping out monday-ish.
post #50 of 233
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Your efforts are certainly laudable, and the more stuff that appears on data-bass.com the better, but was all this even necessary? Josh has very solid cred in this industry, so I have to assume he would have been able to contact Dr. Hsu -- or just about anyone else for that matter -- and secure virtually anything he wanted. If I can get subs from all these companies, free of charge, then surely Josh must be able to as well. He's miles ahead of me in this arena, yet even I have almost no problems at his point. I haven't paid for shipping in the better part of two years, so I doubt any company would ask Josh to.
Jim, much respect and I see Ricci has cleared this up already but here is my take. This thread did start kind of heated, but I think we all agree that the more testing done by one person leaves much less for error and even though it started as a heated debate we have all come together for a common goal and gained much needed respect for each other and accomplished an awesome common goal by coming together.

For me it is a kind of mystery that will satisfy my own wonders. When I was looking to upgrade I had already owned an Outlaw sub which Dr. Hsu had a hand in developing. At the time I bought the Outlaw I had a limited budget and at the time I was ready to upgrade I had a budget. I had originally always wanted a Hsu and this was at the time the 15h had come out and was tested by Audiohlics. I remember reading the review and being kind of disgusted by the ugly remarks made by the reviewer and having it revised etc... I read every post multiple times from Audioholics to the 200+ page thread here on AVS and then the review came out from a real world shoot out between multiple subs from members on here and it solidified my desicion to go with Hsu.

So was this necessary? To me, from all of the mixed reviews to get the one review from the one reviewer that I have followed and trusted, yes, it is. I never expected Ricci to PM me about reviewing a sub that has been out better than a year. Ricci did mention that he usually charges to review a sub as it takes time and he schedules around weather conditions, family, etc.., but he wanted the chance to review the 15h and would do so free of charge as long as it was sent to and from him. An excellent opportunity IMO, come on its like Star Wars fans having a chance to have George Lucas play with your Darth Vader action figure, ok maybe not George, but Mark Hammil... All kidding aside I was going to ask Ricci to sign my sub as a review unit, but it was just too much as I am too far away to make it cost affective so we found someone closer.

I know this got heated as a Hsu vs PSA, but to me it has nothing to do with that. I have what I have and if I could afford more i would have that. In the end I put up money to satisfy my own curiosities, help others and it was really awesome to come together with other members to possibly be the pioneers of getting something like this done.

Thanks to all involved!
post #51 of 233
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Jim, much respect and I see Ricci has cleared this up already but here is my take. This thread did start kind of heated, but I think we all agree that the more testing done by one person leaves much less for error and even though it started as a heated debate we have all come together for a common goal and gained much needed respect for each other and accomplished an awesome common goal by coming together.

For me it is a kind of mystery that will satisfy my own wonders. When I was looking to upgrade I had already owned an Outlaw sub which Dr. Hsu had a hand in developing. At the time I bought the Outlaw I had a limited budget and at the time I was ready to upgrade I had a budget. I had originally always wanted a Hsu and this was at the time the 15h had come out and was tested by Audiohlics. I remember reading the review and being kind of disgusted by the ugly remarks made by the reviewer and having it revised etc... I read every post multiple times from Audioholics to the 200+ page thread here on AVS and then the review came out from a real world shoot out between multiple subs from members on here and it solidified my desicion to go with Hsu.

So was this necessary? To me, from all of the mixed reviews to get the one review from the one reviewer that I have followed and trusted, yes, it is. I never expected Ricci to PM me about reviewing a sub that has been out better than a year. Ricci did mention that he usually charges to review a sub as it takes time and he schedules around weather conditions, family, etc.., but he wanted the chance to review the 15h and would do so free of charge as long as it was sent to and from him. An excellent opportunity IMO, come on its like Star Wars fans having a chance to have George Lucas play with your Darth Vader action figure, ok maybe not George, but Mark Hammil... All kidding aside I was going to ask Ricci to sign my sub as a review unit, but it was just too much as I am too far away to make it cost affective so we found someone closer.

I know this got heated as a Hsu vs PSA, but to me it has nothing to do with that. I have what I have and if I could afford more i would have that. In the end I put up money to satisfy my own curiosities, help others and it was really awesome to come together with other members to possibly be the pioneers of getting something like this done.

Thanks to all involved!

Well said Saints, and,I have to say as heated as it did get I know I didn't take anything personal. Honestly I never do in any of the threads because at the end of the day everyone is going to have their own tastes whether its budget or just liking a different sub better then something some else likes. So to each their own right.

It was pretty cool to see some of us thrown money in to get a sub tested just for sh*ts and giggles really....lol
post #52 of 233
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So was this necessary? To me, from all of the mixed reviews to get the one review from the one reviewer that I have followed and trusted, yes, it is. I never expected Ricci to PM me about reviewing a sub that has been out better than a year. Ricci did mention that he usually charges to review a sub as it takes time and he schedules around weather conditions, family, etc.., but he wanted the chance to review the 15h and would do so free of charge as long as it was sent to and from him. An excellent opportunity IMO, come on its like Star Wars fans having a chance to have George Lucas play with your Darth Vader action figure, ok maybe not George, but Mark Hammil... All kidding aside I was going to ask Ricci to sign my sub as a review unit, but it was just too much as I am too far away to make it cost affective so we found someone closer.

Very nicely worded reply. Thanks for taking the time to write it. Unless I'm misinterpreting though, it seems my asking 'was it necessary?' may have been taken out of context.

I wasn't debating whether Josh should test the VTF -- like everyone else's, I think the more he gets his hands on the better -- I was confused as to why there was a "crowd source" to get him one. I do know Josh charges for his services, which isn't really the norm and could potentially be an issue for some companies, but with what he's established at data-bass.com I was just surprised he couldn't get whatever he requested from pretty much any company. What I didn't know, however, is that he doesn't actively pursue candidates for evaluation. For me that changes the perspective, and I now see why you folks went about doing this in the manner you did.

To try and secure an XS30 I did already reach out to Tom, but I'll retract my request in light of the change in circumstances. Not that my involvement ensured anything, of course - I was merely advocating on his behalf.
post #53 of 233
I am thinking of sending one of my subs to Ricci if he wants to test it. It is a DIY eD A7S-650 kit(passive). The problem is it weighs 200 pounds!
post #54 of 233
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Chris shipped his VTF15 out today...should arrive at Ricci's residence on Wednesday.
post #55 of 233
That's great now the fun part begins. biggrin.gif
post #56 of 233
I am curious as to how it fair either way I am very happy with mine .
post #57 of 233
I like my twins but if the numbers aren't as good as most think they will be, a lot of future owners could be turned off. I'm curious as to why it took all this to get this done.
post #58 of 233
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I like my twins but if the numbers aren't as good as most think they will be, a lot of future owners could be turned off. I'm curious as to why it took all this to get this done.
Curious minds and spec warriors want to know but as usual trust your ears their what counts but I would be very surprised after owning several different subs and to date the VTF-15H has exceeded my expectations.
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I like my twins but if the numbers aren't as good as most think they will be, a lot of future owners could be turned off. I'm curious as to why it took all this to get this done.
Curious minds and spec warriors want to know but as usual trust your ears their what counts but I would be very surprised after owning several different subs and to date the VTF-15H has exceeded my expectations.

+1

I only have a single, but it far exceeded an eD A7s-450 w/ eQ.2 in my listening space. More dynamic and more effortless at all volume levels than the eD. For the people that live and die via bench racing, it may cause them to look elsewhere....but the HSU punches above its weight in my listening room and that's made me quite happy.

EDIT: I'm excited to read/see the results, regardless of the outcome. Josh does quality work.
post #60 of 233
Honestly I think most of the top upper half of ID subs would make people happy, especially if you didnt have two to compare directly and do A/B comparisons with. But it always seems to lead back to the measurement numbers war.
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