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post #31 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

I was considering his budget. Seperates will always rarely sound better than a AVR. A common AVR no matter how expensive will have the power supply right nex to the processing chip which will always mightincrease noise which will could theoreticallydecrease soundstage dramatically. You won't get much processing and sound through $20.00 processing chips and $10 power supply the common recievers give you.

All AVR's are good for are room eq and room correction software it coems with. Even at that, they may take much out of your speakers.

Better to spend $550.00 on GIK Acoustics and get proper room treatment to cover the first reflections.

Fixed that for you.
post #32 of 99
What budget is that? Whose as well? Seems chevy stepped in here and I got him mixed up with the OP, too. Emotivas rep on processors is pretty dismal from what I can see, amps may be okay but you can do better on a budget. I don't buy into that separates is always better stuff. I'd bet you couldn't tell in a blind test. What do you have?
post #33 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

Whats the point of getting CMT 340's for music? Its gonna sound the same as the 170's.

It that your experience? Others on the forum who have compared both do find the CMT's an improvement. According to Ascend, it's a little better driver than the 170s and then there are two of them.
post #34 of 99
They are both dome tweeters. Not gonna be much improvement between the two. He will hear a bigger difference from seperates.
post #35 of 99
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

What budget is that? Whose as well? Seems chevy stepped in here and I got him mixed up with the OP, too. Emotivas rep on processors is pretty dismal from what I can see, amps may be okay but you can do better on a budget. I don't buy into that separates is always better stuff. I'd bet you couldn't tell in a blind test. What do you have?


Go out and try seperates for yourself. You will hear a clear difference.

Speakers will always cover about 50% of your sound. Room will be about 25% and amps/dacs and speaker cables about 25%.
Edited by NAIM101 - 9/21/13 at 9:46pm
post #36 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

Vapor Cirrus Black with upgraded Amorphous RAAL Tweeter and Dueland CAST capacitor and resisters/Job 225 Amp/ Eximus DP-1 DAC/ Monarchy DIP upsampler/ VH Audio interconnects and custom speakers cables/ PS Audio power conditioner.

About 10K dedicated 2.0 system.

How much did you pay for those interconnects?
post #37 of 99
Spent about $400.00 on (4) interconnects. 8ft speaker cables about $300.00.
post #38 of 99
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

How much did you pay for those interconnects?

Strange. What happened to the post you quoted in your response? Seems like it's no longer there???
post #39 of 99
I edited that post because my set-up is not completed yet. But yes, that is what will be having for my dedicated music as well as movie listening.
post #40 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

What budget is that? Whose as well? Seems chevy stepped in here and I got him mixed up with the OP, too. Emotivas rep on processors is pretty dismal from what I can see, amps may be okay but you can do better on a budget. I don't buy into that separates is always better stuff. I'd bet you couldn't tell in a blind test. What do you have?


Go out and try seperates for yourself. You will hear a clear difference.

Speakers will always cover about 50% of your sound. Room will be about 25% and amps/dacs and speaker cables about 25%.

I have had separates for quite a long time in my 2 ch system. I use avrs in my multich systems. You're a believer in speaker cables affecting sound? Good luck with that...
post #41 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

I edited that post because my set-up is not completed yet. But yes, that is what will be having for my dedicated music as well as movie listening.

Better not to make massive changes to a post because it creates confusion among those reading and responding to the the thread smile.gif

Usually works better to edit and write something like "UPDATE" at the end and add clarification.
post #42 of 99
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I have had separates for quite a long time in my 2 ch system. I use avrs in my multich systems. You're a believer in speaker cables affecting sound? Good luck with that...


The more transparent all your gears are the more speaker cables will affect the sound. If you go with heavy sounding speakers in a big MDF box, ofcourse because of the resonance, you wont hear a difference. If you are talking about all your gear costing under $3,000 including avr and seperates etc, it will be hard to tell a difference. But, it will also be hard for YOU to hear the sound of the source the way it was intended to be.
Edited by NAIM101 - 9/22/13 at 12:41am
post #43 of 99
You're funny. Not very knowledgeable though. You're sinking your rep pretty quickly in what 21 posts?
post #44 of 99
You have no clue what you are talking about do you? All you do is cruise around this particular forum, listening to your lowest budget speaker with monoprice cables trying to convince yourself there really isnt a differenve between a Pioneer AVR and McIntosh's, DartZeel's seperates etc...

Hey, its your gear, if you can't tell the difference then all power to you. I wish I had your dull ears. Don't be so arrogant and try to convince someone that a $500.00 avr sound the same as a $20,000 DartZeel amp. It may work well on this forum, but out of this forum, you will seriously get laughed at.

Goto your local high-fi shop and compare your current system to one of the higher end sperates playinig through a higher end speaker. First thing you will notice immediately is the difference of soundstage and clarity and naturality of the instruments. The seperation will be astonshingly better, and the vocals and instruments will just pop out in the air in 3d.

You'll know you have a good set-up when you close your eyes and hear music and vocals and instruments coming from all over your room, and the speakers just dissapear.
And you know your whole room is filled with sound from all over the areas of your room. Even behind you.

And you can get this with 2 speakers. Not 5 and sorround sound blah..



But anyway, goodluck with your gear and keep preaching what you preach. And maybe get a ear check done by a doctor sometime.
Edited by NAIM101 - 9/22/13 at 12:53am
post #45 of 99
You're frikkin hilarious! Which forum are you speaking of? One of the audio mags? Audiogon? Share....
post #46 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

You have no clue what you are talking about do you? All you do is cruise around this particular forum, listening to your lowest budget speaker with monoprice cables trying to convince yourself there really isnt a differenve between a Pioneer AVR and McIntosh's, DartZeel's seperates etc...

Hey, its your gear, if you can't tell the difference then all power to you. I wish I had your dull ears. Don't be so arrogant and try to convince someone that a $500.00 avr sound the same as a $20,000 DartZeel amp. It may work well on this forum, but out of this forum, you will seriously get laughed at.

Goto your local high-fi shop and compare your current system to one of the higher end sperates playinig through a higher end speaker. First thing you will notice immediately is the difference of soundstage and clarity and naturality of the instruments. The seperation will be astonshingly better, and the vocals and instruments will just pop out in the air in 3d.

You'll know you have a good set-up when you close your eyes and hear music and vocals and instruments coming from all over your room, and the speakers just dissapear.
And you know your whole room is filled with sound from all over the areas of your room. Even behind you.

And you can get this with 2 speakers. Not 5 and sorround sound blah..



But anyway, goodluck with your gear and keep preaching what you preach. And maybe get a ear check done by a doctor sometime.

I'm afraid that you seem to be the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. There has been many double blind tests, and not one could show that an amp or a cable made a bit of difference whatsoever. IF you know what your listening to, then your brain fools you into thinking that there is an actual difference. It's called the Placebo Effect.

Look, I used to be in the magical cable, amp crowd. But now I know better. As long as a cable or amp is constructed well and isn't absolute junk, it will work fine for any application you need it for.

A little light reading for you:

http://ethanwiner.com/audiophoolery.html
Edited by flyng_fool - 9/22/13 at 1:30am
post #47 of 99
If you get to the mid-budget of seperates and cables and speakers, it will be harder to tell. The more you go up the chain, smaller the difference will be. But here we have LovintheHD saying a $300.00 Onkyo reciever will sound the same to a darTZeeL amp.
post #48 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

Whats the point of getting CMT 340's for music? Its gonna sound the same as the 170's. Atleast upgrade to the NRT for music. RAAL would be better.

The 170s do not sound exactly the same as the 340s, and not everyone can afford the upgrade to nrt or esspecially raal
post #49 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post


You'll know you have a good set-up when you close your eyes and hear music and vocals and instruments coming from all over your room, and the speakers just dissapear.
And you know your whole room is filled with sound from all over the areas ...

Vocals and instruments comming from all over the room? How do you define seperation then? Imaging? I dont think you even understand what the word imaging means.
I definitely dont want vocals comming from all around the room.
post #50 of 99
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post


The 170s do not sound exactly the same as the 340s, and not everyone can afford the upgrade to nrt or esspecially raal

On paper, the specs appear similar for power handling and frequency response. What would you know, you only actually listen to these real speakers. We best consult with the armchair expert who doesn't have to worry about real-world results or monetary spending. Ahhh, just buy a component system, ahhh just buy $100 cables, ahhh just buy RAAL speakers. SInce he knows best, I will just pull the $$$ out of my ass, buy a Marantz AV8801, MM8077, 6 x Paradigm S8, Paradigm C5, and 4 x SVS PC13 subs. Might as well throw in one of those Sony VPL-VW500 projectors while I am at it. Seriously, what was I thinking? rolleyes.gif
Edited by Chevypower - 9/22/13 at 8:19am
post #51 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

You have no clue what you are talking about do you? All you do is cruise around this particular forum, listening to your lowest budget speaker with monoprice cables trying to convince yourself there really isnt a differenve between a Pioneer AVR and McIntosh's, DartZeel's seperates etc...

Hey, its your gear, if you can't tell the difference then all power to you. I wish I had your dull ears. Don't be so arrogant and try to convince someone that a $500.00 avr sound the same as a $20,000 DartZeel amp. It may work well on this forum, but out of this forum, you will seriously get laughed at.

I'm not 100% convinced that people can't hear the difference between a $500 AVR and a much more expensive amplifier because I've moved up the scale a little in headphone amps to something that would be comparable to a more expensive separate amp for speakers. However, I do agree with the science not to trust my own listening judgments, because we do know how unreliable audio perception/memory is.

So I'm not going to argue with you over whether or not inexpensive amps are sonically the same as more expensive ones based on what I *think* I can hear with my own equipment (putting the science aside). But I do think your recommendations are out of touch for this budget range. The sound quality increase between upgrading from an AVR to separate amps is not going to be as significant as putting the money into speakers.
post #52 of 99
@Cel4145, how do the 340 L/R speakers compare to the 170s in terms of sound stage, especially for 2 channel music?
post #53 of 99
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Originally Posted by Chevypower View Post

@Cel4145, how do the 340 L/R speakers compare to the 170s in terms of sound stage, especially for 2 channel music?

newc33 is one of the few people that has done a direct comparison between the two. Have you seen his thread? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478626/ascend-acoustic-5-1-setup-review
post #54 of 99
Awesome, I forgot about that review, I read it once before. Yep sounds like 2 CMT-340s plus 2 170s are the way to go instead of 4x 170s. It's exactly what I want brilliant sound for both movies and music.
post #55 of 99
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Originally Posted by NAIM101 View Post

If you get to the mid-budget of seperates and cables and speakers, it will be harder to tell. The more you go up the chain, smaller the difference will be. But here we have LovintheHD saying a $300.00 Onkyo reciever will sound the same to a darTZeeL amp.

I said no such thing but it wouldn't surprise me under matched conditions in a blind test. The darTZeel amp (the 458 I just looked at) is quite striking aesthetically but for $150,000 a pair of 450w monoblocks I'll likely never know and it won't bother me a bit. Guess you'd need magic cables for sure for that kind of magic amplification. By your own formula it would need to be some awfully expensive speakers to use with such amps.

Again, list your wonderful and carefully chosen gear you use yourself. What forums do poor slobs like us who have lowly avr "sorround" sound systems and Ascend speakers get laughed at on?
post #56 of 99
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post

The entire system seems to be built around quality, accuracy and clairity. They are phenomenal
at reproducing Electric and acoustic guitar in particularly IMO. They give a very live sound for music
and a theater like high quality sound for movies

They seem to be good for both movies and music alike.

The speakers also can be played pretty loud before you ever hear them running out of steam or distorting

They may not br the prettiest speaker physically but there aimed for a buget concious customer.

The speakers do not add any coloring to music so if you like colored sound theese may not be for u.
Also if u like bass heavy speakers or do not plan on running a sub theese may not be for u.

Just some quick general info!smile.gif feel free to ask any more specific questions

Thanks for the input. Only a matter of days until I place my order.
post #57 of 99
Thread Starter 
Awsome I'm sure u will appreciate the clarity and detail theese speakers have for there price.

What sub will u be buying?
post #58 of 99
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Originally Posted by newc33 View Post

Awsome I'm sure u will appreciate the clarity and detail theese speakers have for there price.

What sub will u be buying?

Sub is still up in there air -- I'll definitely be going with the 340's for left, right and center and 170's for surround. I've been browsing for data on PB1000 and Rythmik LV12R on AVS, particularly here. I'll start a thread once decided with pics of my set up.
post #59 of 99
Thread Starter 
I would highly recommended either ryhnik or Psa. To me svs is slightly over priced. For 40 dollars more u could get an xv15 over a pb12nsd... that's a no brained to me.

If sound quality is most important I'd look at the lv12r

If high output is key than the xv15 would be great

If high output and quality is equal than I'd go xv15hp (I'm buying 2 in a couple weeks
post #60 of 99
Thread Starter 
I would also look into hsu
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