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Advice for new receiver, Looking at a Denon vs Pioneer

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I'm looking for advice on a new Home Theater setup. The room is 20' x 18' and prime listening is about 13' from the tv. My budget started at under $1000 but now I would like to keep it under $2000.

I was originally looking at the Onkyo HT-S9400THX 7.1-Channel Network A/V Receiver/Speak​er Package because it was rather inexpensive and appeared to be a great deal ($775). The only home theater system I have had was a Home theater in a box sony system, which I thought was great. I'm pretty much a beginner when it comes to a good audio system, but after scouring these forums and other resources I have pretty much scrapped the HIB idea.

I heard good things about Onkyo receivers until I read more and more about the hardware issues with them. I am now looking at a Denon AVR-2313CI ($599) and Pioneer SC-1222-K ($579) as well as any other recommendations from anyone here. If I can keep the receiver around $600 then I could get some good quality speakers such as the Klipsch RF-42II Home Theater Bundle-FREE BIC Acoustech PL-200 and add RB-41 II for back surround.

Denon vs. Pioneer

They both look great to me, considering my last receiver was a 15 year old sony.

Both are 7.2 channel. Denon appears to have the advantage in power output, I believe?

I do have a 2nd tv that I use outside occasionally so the 2nd hdmi out on the Denon could be beneficial. However, I currently use a hdmi splitter for this that works fine. Not sure if that would work coming out of the receiver. Can the 2nd hdmi out on the Denon show a different picture or do the 2 hdmi outs have to use the same source?

Audyssey MultEQ XT vs MCACC. I am not familiar with these, but I read the audyssey set up was easier. Is there a big difference that should sway my decision? No sub eq with MCACC?

Denon 3 year warranty, Pioneer 1 year.

Pioneer has D3 amplification and runs cool and quiet.

The pioneer boasts it is made for you and your ipad with airplay and using apple device as a remote. Nice perk but not necessary. Also, Denon appears to have the same thing.

I'm sure there are some differences that I am missing and any input is appreciated.

Thanks in advance for any advice or opinions!
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The 2nd HDMI output on the 2313CI would simply mirror what is playing in the main zone, while the 3313CI adds a 3rd HDMI output that will output a separate HDMI source to Zone 2.
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I would advise against any Pioneer, Sony, Or Yamaha receiver, as they have really gone to low-quality Class D amplifiers that sound like crap IMO.

The Denon 3312 is an exceptionally good receiver, and the 2313 is no slouch either.

The 3312 is really outstanding, and as last years model there are some real deals at times.

You might want to look for one.

The Harman-Kardon 3650 is another one I can recommend.
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I would advise against any Pioneer, Sony, Or Yamaha receiver, as they have really gone to low-quality Class D amplifiers that sound like crap IMO.

The Denon 3312 is an exceptionally good receiver, and the 2313 is no slouch either.

The 3312 is really outstanding, and as last years model there are some real deals at times.

You might want to look for one.

The Harman-Kardon 3650 is another one I can recommend.
Have you heard any of the new Pioneer 's especially the Elites with Air Studio's approval doubt very seriously they would allow their name to be tarnished if the sound quality was not up to par.
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I would advise against any Pioneer, Sony, Or Yamaha receiver, as they have really gone to low-quality Class D amplifiers that sound like crap IMO.

Have you heard any modern class D amps? Can you select a class D amp in a blind test vs a class A/B amp? If the answer is "no" then your opinion carries no weight as far as i am concerned. The class D pioneers are outstanding units and offer great feature sets and hold their own in the often mentioned 'all channels driven' tests. Much better "on paper" performance then a lot of comparable avr's. Yamahas are fairly stout and feature packed as well. I don't know much about Sony's as I do not pay much attention to them due to sub-par room correction packages.

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The Denon 3312 is an exceptionally good receiver, and the 2313 is no slouch either.

The 3312 is really outstanding, and as last years model there are some real deals at times.

You might want to look for one.

The 3312 is technically the 2011-12 model. The 3313 is the 2012-13 model. The new X4000 is the current model. That makes the xx12 models two models old. Nothing wrong with it, in fact for features and current blow out prices its a great value. Audyssey multeq xt is the second best version of audyssey room correction available. The OP may want to look at the onkyo 818 going for close to the same pricing as the older denons here. It has multeq xt 32 and is the best consumer level audyssey room correction available. Capable of outstanding sub woofer frequency range EQing.

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The Harman-Kardon 3650 is another one I can recommend.

May be okay for some, but for me it is under featured for its price. The denon 3312 or 13 or the onkyo 818 provide a better package for the going prices.
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