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post #31 of 73
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I would be willing to wager svs could back the limiter off a touch and still maintain low distortion with more output. I am.not saying do away with it, but i am saying in most cases 15% thd will not noticeable over 10% at loud volumes. I have experienced velodyne and paradigm subs with limiters and didnt care for it at all. I like to be the govenor over my system...smile.gif

Maybe. But not everyone needs that much control smile.gif
post #32 of 73
I guess in a way the lv12r does have protection (low Med high extension level) that when set to high hads higher Max output and less extension/less low end. How exactly does that work? Is it the same as dsp or something completly diffrent?
Edited by newc33 - 6/22/13 at 10:01am
post #33 of 73
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... I'm now leaning towards the Rythmi[k]. The only thing that may sway me back to the SVS is "logistics". ...
Given the good deal you're being offered, and in light of the confirmation that the LV12R is better overall than the PB-1000, I'd go with the LV12R.

Re. concerns about after-sales CS service: I'd talk directly to someone at Rythmik and ask them to double-check everything on the unit they send out to you (something they may do anyway). Once that's done, and barring some incredible stroke of bad luck, you shouldn't have any issues with the sub, greatly diminishing SVS' advantage of a Canadian distributor.

And if you did happen to have problems with the sub, Brian's / Rythmik's CS rep - from what I've read about it so far - is top notch, so I think they'd do whatever the could to minimize any impact on you.

Just my 2¢... smile.gif
post #34 of 73
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

The LV12R because of output quality due to Direct Servo technology and the 15" driver.

It's your choice if you want to compromise output quality for a few shekels. Let's say you went with the PB-1000......you know you'll always wish you had purchased the LV12R and then you'll read on how in love people are with Direct Servo technology and then you'll look back on your other choice.....and buyer's remorse will set in.

In the end, it's always about the Benjamins. Without realizing it, your question morphs into: do you go with the "Big Dog" or do you go with: "Almost A Big Dog?"

(returns are part of the hassle of ownership)

The choice is yours for if you need proof, buy the PB-1000, save a few bucks and be happy or find out about Direct Servo and larger drivers vs smaller drivers.

(people who openly demand proof, tick me off as this is a discussion forum, not a court of law. if you need proof, do your own research and go with what ever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside)
It reads like you want the PB-1000 and you're trying to convince yourself you're not going be shortchanging yourself over a few dollars. The price difference is ninety bucks or the price of a fill-up for a pick-up truck. So, in my opinion, what this all boils down to is, the price of a tank of gas.

Just saying.

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Let me further "tick" you off. I don't know Basshead from Adam. I don't know his qualifications nor do I know his preferences. For all I know, he may prefer the Rythmic purely on a subjective whim (no offense to you Basshead.) According to your mal conceived logic, I should just blindly except everyone's opinion on that happens to offer one. Wow!! Really??? If someone says product A is better than product B, then there was obviously some tests that were interpreted. All I was asking for is a link to these tests. If no tests were involved or interpreted , than the opinion is purely subjective and IHO, not worth a dam. I'm not judging any person for offering an opinion but I would like to know just where that person is coming from.

I have received some additional from Jim regarding the tests. In his opinion, the Rythmic is the best sub $600 sub out there at the moment but the SVS comes very close. I will be going with the Rythmik but not because of anything your post had to offer.
post #35 of 73
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Given the good deal you're being offered, and in light of the confirmation that the LV12R is better overall than the PB-1000, I'd go with the LV12R.

Re. concerns about after-sales CS service: I'd talk directly to someone at Rythmik and ask them to double-check everything on the unit they send out to you (something they may do anyway). Once that's done, and barring some incredible stroke of bad luck, you shouldn't have any issues with the sub, greatly diminishing SVS' advantage of a Canadian distributor.

And if you did happen to have problems with the sub, Brian's / Rythmik's CS rep - from what I've read about it so far - is top notch, so I think they'd do whatever the could to minimize any impact on you.

Just my 2¢... smile.gif

Thank you. Your post helps dispel any fears I've had.
post #36 of 73
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post

I will be going with the Rythmik but not because of anything your post had to offer.
Good choice but wow, that sounds harsh for someone offering you his opinion to your post:(
Edited by Cowboys - 6/23/13 at 6:53pm
post #37 of 73
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post

Let me further "tick" you off. I don't know Basshead from Adam. I don't know his qualifications nor do I know his preferences. For all I know, he may prefer the Rythmic purely on a subjective whim (no offense to you Basshead.) According to your mal conceived logic, I should just blindly except everyone's opinion on that happens to offer one. Wow!! Really??? If someone says product A is better than product B, then there was obviously some tests that were interpreted. All I was asking for is a link to these tests. If no tests were involved or interpreted , than the opinion is purely subjective and IHO, not worth a dam. I'm not judging any person for offering an opinion but I would like to know just where that person is coming from.

I have received some additional from Jim regarding the tests. In his opinion, the Rythmic is the best sub $600 sub out there at the moment but the SVS comes very close. I will be going with the Rythmik but not because of anything your post had to offer.


I gave you my opinion based off of Jims Reviews as mentioned...I think at this point Jim solidified the fact that my opinion is valid. Maybe I should not of used the term " blows it away" however the LV12R is another level above the PB1000...and for the price difference its a no brainer. FWIW I dont pimp any particular brand, most ID subs are top notch...I usually weigh all of the posters wants, needs, and budget before making a recomendation.
post #38 of 73
Bee always means well and takes a lot of time trying to help. We all can say things we wish we hadn't or in a way that comes across short. Sometimes we all get short especially if one posts a lot.
post #39 of 73
Lol, this sure is a sensitive group formed around some macho BS like subwoofers. Come one everyone, lets just have a big group hug!
post #40 of 73
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Thanks, for your input Jim! This is exactly what I gathered from your reviews. Now could you please go this thread and explain to Mic James the pb1000 is not in the same league as the xs15.



http://www.avsforum.com/t/1476793/whats-the-best-sub-for-the-money-max-500

Just caught this biggrin.gif There was a little more to it than "league" basshead. I had never mentioned leagues, only aspects of low tuned ported and un eq'd compact sealed for a moderate volume situation. For overall performance I would never argue that the pb-1000 has more output than the Xs15, that argument would be doomed to failure wink.gif
post #41 of 73
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Lol, this sure is a sensitive group formed around some macho BS like subwoofers. Come one everyone, lets just have a big group hug!



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+1 with emphasis on the macho. I notice me doing it at times myself.
post #42 of 73
I didnt mean to come off as macho or anything like that...my apologies.
post #43 of 73
I think I might go look for a new AVATAR. smile.gif
post #44 of 73
It's sad that there are never any women interested in subwoofers. I know women who love bass though, so I guess they just don't care much about the technical aspects of achieving that sound. They leave the dull stuff to us dudes, which is probably smart.
post #45 of 73
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According to your mal conceived logic, I should just blindly except everyone's opinion on that happens to offer one. Wow!! Really???

Actually, yes. Why? If one is not willing to accept the opinions of those they ask the opinions of, then they shouldn't be asking for opinions and instead, should take the time necessary to do the hard research themselves so they're not dependent on the opinions of others. Sans one doing the hard research themselves, by definition of the word "opinion." it's being intellectually disingenuous to ask those offering opinions, to offer hard proof. Allow me to repeat my comment as it's a comment I feel totally at ease with:

"(people who openly demand proof, tick me off as this is a discussion forum, not a court of law. if you need proof, do your own research and go with what ever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside)"

I'm glad to read that you made it perfectly clear you're going with my recommendation, despite you not liking my opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to personally inform me of your decision and how my recommendation, based on my opinion, had nothing to do with finalizing your decision......even though going with my recommendation that you're rebelling against, yet going with.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 6/23/13 at 9:08pm
post #46 of 73
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Come one everyone, lets just have a big group hug!

Come here you big lug. {{{HUGS}}}
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Actually, yes. Why? If one is not willing to accept the opinions of those they ask the opinions of, then they shouldn't be asking for opinions and instead, should take the time necessary to do the hard research themselves so they're not dependent on the opinions of others.

It's a perfectly legitimate request to ask for "why" as he did in his original post. There's very good reason to ask for claims to be supported with some kind of explanation or evidence (see my sig below). Certainly much better than those poll posts which just ask for votes. wink.gif
post #48 of 73
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Thank you. Your post helps dispel any fears I've had.
Glad to help. smile.gif And best of luck with the new sub! cool.gif
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I gave you my opinion based off of Jims Reviews as mentioned...I think at this point Jim solidified the fact that my opinion is valid. Maybe I should not of used the term " blows it away" however the LV12R is another level above the PB1000...and for the price difference its a no brainer. FWIW I dont pimp any particular brand, most ID subs are top notch...I usually weigh all of the posters wants, needs, and budget before making a recomendation.

My retort to Beeman was nothing aimed at you Basshead. I looked at the test results for both subs that Jim performed and based on that I did not see a clear winner. That's why I asked if there was other proof you came across that would make you respond like you did. Its all good.
post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Actually, yes. Why? If one is not willing to accept the opinions of those they ask the opinions of, then they shouldn't be asking for opinions and instead, should take the time necessary to do the hard research themselves so they're not dependent on the opinions of others. Sans one doing the hard research themselves, by definition of the word "opinion." it's being intellectually disingenuous to ask those offering opinions, to offer hard proof. Allow me to repeat my comment as it's a comment I feel totally at ease with:-

"(people who openly demand proof, tick me off as this is a discussion forum, not a court of law. if you need proof, do your own research and go with what ever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside)"

I actually asked why that opnion was held. I was seeking more than an opinion.


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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 
I'm glad to read that you made it perfectly clear you're going with my recommendation, despite you not liking my opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to personally inform me of your decision and how my recommendation, based on my opinion, had nothing to do with finalizing your decision......even though going with my recommendation that you're rebelling against, yet going with.

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I going with the Rythmick based on Jmans tests and eljaycanucks opinion on the reputation of Rythmik.
post #51 of 73
Jim's tests results aren't useful for comparisons, so of course there won't be any clear winner.
post #52 of 73
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... (people who openly demand proof, tick me off as this is a discussion forum, not a court of law. ... ) ...
But in this post, you said:
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... I can ask if one killer sub will do the job as I expect the respondent will be using empirical evidence to base their comments ...
So, sometimes empirical evidence from respondents is a must...
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With all due respect, could you at least provide some personal FR graphs, so we can see what's what with your offerings?
...while, at other times, it is inappropriate for someone to expect empirical evidence.

Interesting.
Edited by eljaycanuck - 6/24/13 at 5:24am
post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post

My retort to Beeman was nothing aimed at you Basshead. I looked at the test results for both subs that Jim performed and based on that I did not see a clear winner. That's why I asked if there was other proof you came across that would make you respond like you did. Its all good.

all good!
post #54 of 73
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Originally Posted by 3db View Post

I actually asked why that opnion was held. I was seeking more than an opinion.

With the advent of the internet and Google, when in doubt, Google it. One does not "demand" proof. And if one asks for an opinion, it's understood the response is "hopefully" going be a fact based opinion.

In my case, last nights researched, unrelated to sound reproduction, revolved around finding university studies to corroborate anecdotal and opinion based commentary because I understood that what I was reading was exactly that, opinion based commentary, based on anecdotal evidence. I wanted empirical based evidence, not ancecdotal based evidence. If I want more than opinion, it's upon me, not the poster, to provide more fact based research. Considering the ease in which information is readily available today, demands for proof tick me off. Why? Because doing is is both rude and a tact admission the individual making the demand is intellectually lazy. Neither of which are complimentary to the individual making the demand.

Now if they were to say; hey, I tried researching my question further and was unable to find additional information. Does anybody have any linked information that can help answer my question? That's a horse of a different color.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 6/24/13 at 5:47am
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There's a big difference between expecting a manufacture to provide empirical evidence and asking for opinions, followed up by demands for proof.
Sing and dance all you want, but there's no difference.

You asked for opinions on the SubMersive, and then openly demanded proof from Mark Seaton. (You don't need any proof from him - just ask his opinion, trust that it will be based on empirical facts, and politely accept it.)

3db, having found the LV12R and PB-1000 to be seemingly comparable in terms of performance (based on his review of JimWilson's charts), asked basshead81 to provide evidence to substantiate his claim that the LV12R was significantly better than the PB-1000.

If it's acceptable for you to ask for proof, it's acceptable for others to do the same.

In the end, 3db was able to get the additional information he needed to make his decision. Good on him for asking, on basshead81 for spurring further discussion and on JimWilson for chiming in and essentially settling the matter.
Edited by eljaycanuck - 6/24/13 at 7:20am
post #56 of 73
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

Jim's tests results aren't useful for comparisons, so of course there won't be any clear winner.

Why do you feel those reviews aren't useful to make a comparison?
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Why do you feel those reviews aren't useful to make a comparison?

Because you aren't reviewing HSU subs and showing how HSU subs are better than them. wink.gif

Sorry. I couldn't resist. biggrin.gif
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With the advent of the internet and Google, when in doubt, Google it. One does not "demand" proof. And if one asks for an opinion, it's understood the response is "hopefully" going be a fact based opinion. -

Wow!! Again? I never demanded proof. I asked for proof nor was I rude about it. Perhaps you should read my original post and then follow the thread. It CLEARLY shows that I have had done research ahead of time and was asking for clarification. I suggest you read the post in that context instead of misinterpreting it. IHO, you are the one that's coming across as judgemental. If asking for proof is too much for you too handle. simply don't respond to those posts. wink.gif That's all I'm going to say on this matter as I don't want to derail any further the intent of the thread.
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Because you aren't reviewing HSU subs and showing how HSU subs are better than them. wink.gif

Sorry. I couldn't resist. biggrin.gif

Causing a ruckus again Charlie?
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