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xbox 360 as extender - How to change channels? What remote?

post #1 of 40
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I just set up an XBox 360 as an extender to my new HTPC which has a Ceton InfiniTV 4 card with a cablecard inserted. I can see the Media Center on my XBox with no problem, but my cheapo WMC remote doesn't work with it and using the Xbox controller is beyond clunky. I can't figure out how to change channels. Well up and down I figured out, but I can't do that from 465 to 729.

Any assistance appreciated.
post #2 of 40
For a simple Xbox & screen combination, probably the least expensive solution is the Microsoft Xbox 360 Media Remote:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Media-Remote/dp/B005FMLZQQ/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1372254866&sr=8-17&keywords=xbox+360+controller

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R1.TR5.TRC2.A0.Xxbox+360+med&_nkw=xbox+360+media+remote&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I use several older Logitech Harmony One remotes, but would be hard pressed to recommend them these days.
post #3 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I figured there must be something.
post #4 of 40
Make sure you go into the Xbox 360 settings and change the setting for the remote. There are two choices so select the other one and try your current remote again.
post #5 of 40
make sure you go into the console settings on the 360 and tell it what remote you are going to use. there are a few options.
post #6 of 40
You have to select "both" in XBOX360 dashboard settings for WMC remote to work. Default is XBOX360 remote.
post #7 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I need two additional remotes since I have a second XBox arriving from Ebay. I should have this all put together by the weekend. I'm sure I'll have another question or two.
post #8 of 40
How much did you pay for the xbox? I'm thinking of getting one of the new models that just came out.
post #9 of 40
Thread Starter 
It's hardly a new model, this was a used XBOX360 "Core System"; Core system means no hard drive or HDMI cable. But I have plenty of HDMI cables and I also have a few SATA 2 2.5" drives sitting around if I need them. But I think I can also just stick in an old USB stick with 4 gb or so and that should work.

But I think just as an extender I don't need a drive at all. And it was around $80 including shipping. Still much cheaper than a Ceton Echo.
post #10 of 40
I would not recommend getting the first gen version of the Xbox 360 (white and then later black). Those are very loud when used as an extender. I'd stick with any of the Slim models.
post #11 of 40
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Uh oh, I wondered why I heard about how loud they were. I have one that is very quiet, a later generation I guess. Well, if the new (used) one is noisy, I see that there are some replacement fans that will help a lot. I wouldn't mind taking it apart anyway just to check out the innards.
post #12 of 40
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I found the Setup option in the XBox360 to use both, in fact that's how it was set. It is still completely ignoring my media center remote. I set the XBox to boot into Media Center, and it does that, and still ignores my remote. Since the remote does work on the MC PC, I could use an idea as to why it is being ignored by the XBox. All the web articles I find on the subject seem to think that I need to configure the remote for the TV, but that doesn't make any sense since the tuner card does the tuning.
post #13 of 40
Do you have line of sight between the remote and the IR receiver on the Xbox?
post #14 of 40
Can you post a link or picture of your remote? The really cheap ones and Ortek/Adesso aren't compatible with Xbox. You'll need a universal or an actual MCE remote, meaning it uses RC-6 (MCE IR protocol).
post #15 of 40
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bryansj View Post

Do you have line of sight between the remote and the IR receiver on the Xbox?
Oh yes, and I moved it all around.
post #16 of 40
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Can you post a link or picture of your remote? The really cheap ones and Ortek/Adesso aren't compatible with Xbox. You'll need a universal or an actual MCE remote, meaning it uses RC-6 (MCE IR protocol).
Sure, this is the remote: I would guess it's as you say and won't work. I'll find out today when the others (hopefully) arrive. It is a very crappy remote, tiny buttons, no backlighting. Oddly it got very good reviews.
post #17 of 40
Yep, that one uses the Ortek protocol, completely incompatible with Xbox. Works great on a PC though using the Ortek dongle that comes with it. Also works great on Raspberry Pi.

EDIT: Check your PMs, dgk.
Edited by mdavej - 6/28/13 at 8:28am
post #18 of 40
Thread Starter 
A big day. The two XBox remotes arrived as did the Ebayed Xbox 360. I set up the new used XBox in the computer room/study. The XBox isn't really a core system like it was supposed to be since it has a 20gb drive and a wireless instead of wired controller. But since the controller has no battery case it's sort of useless at the moment. I'll pick one up if need be but for the moment I took the battery case from the other XBox's controller just to set it up. It did come with an HDMI cable and a component cable, but the component cable has a broken red audio channel cable - the big pin in the center is missing. Very weird, I've busted a few audio cables in my time by stepping on them but never managed to break off that pin. I do have another one of those cables and I'm using it at the moment; I can always splice in another RCA connector if I really need that cable. I do plan on using the optical output as soon as I can work that into the mix.

The only reason that I care about the component output is because I have a Hauppauge HD PVR device so I can record HD bypassing DRM. Not ideal perhaps but nice because Time Warner marks everything that isn't OTA as copy protected. FIOS just arrived in my neighborhood and I'll probably switch to them - my understanding is that they do not flag most shows as copy protected but I'll find out.

Unfortunately the new used XBox is a noisy one. Not terrible and it's bearable in the study since there's lots of other things making noise but the quiet one is in the bedroom. Both have been set to boot into WMC and do that fine. I'll keep an eye out for another extender or I can get those replacement fans.

The XBox remotes work very well, so the original topic of this thread is solved; thanks to all of you for helping out. RIght now I have everything running in parallel, the old setup (including TiVo) still working but the Ceton and XBox extenders also. I'll leave it this way to make sure that I get all the kinks out.
post #19 of 40
It is ridiculous how loud the first gen Xbox 360 is compared to the second gen Slim version.
post #20 of 40
Yep, I have no issues at all with the sound on the Slim, you really don't notice it at normal TV audio levels. Some people say the power supply makes noise but on both of mine the PS fan is very quiet, all I hear is the fan in the Xbox itself and it's not that loud. Definitely recommend the Slims over the old boxes, wouldn't get anything older now.
post #21 of 40
Thread Starter 
The Back and Last buttons don't seem to do anything. Shouldn't the Last button take you to the previous station you were watching? And, on a simlar note, is there any way to set up Favorites? I noticed a few times while changing channels that a messagebox asked if I wanted to add it to Favorites. But I don't see any way to select Favorites.
post #22 of 40
OK = Last channel

This is one of many reasons I prefer a universal remote. I can put any function on any button, so I can make Last and Back work as expected.

To pick a Favorites list, arrow left in the guide a couple of times. To make/edit a favorites list, IIRC, go to Settings - TV - Guide or something like that. I have never seen that message box though.
post #23 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks, I set up some favorites for myself and the SigOther. So far this is working very well. I'll get a universal remote for the main TV but the setup for the other two is just the XBox and the TV so that's handled pretty well by the XBox remote. I have some old Phillips remote which was pretty good but has been dropped enough times that it's getting flakey. I'll see if I can find a new main remote on Woot or something.

I actually bought one of those over-arm remote caddys for the living room. We have these two big chairs and the remotes were always falling off the arms. They are much safer now in the caddy.
post #24 of 40
I find that most of the noise of the older XBOXes is from the dust bunnies collected in the fins, or air opennings in the case, preventing good air flow. Once I clean them up, and replace the useless silicon thermal compond with arctic silver 5, they are just as silent as the slims.
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by dgk View Post

Sure, this is the remote: I would guess it's as you say and won't work. I'll find out today when the others (hopefully) arrive. It is a very crappy remote, tiny buttons, no backlighting. Oddly it got very good reviews.

It is not WMC remote, as others have pointed out.

$12 Rosewill's on newegg are WMC remotes.
post #26 of 40
Thread Starter 
AS5, it has been a while but I'm sure I have a tube lying around. I think I'll have some fun opening up an XBox and poking around.

So far the whole system is working very well. It was complaining about network errors last night so I might end up getting a new, more modern router. I have an old Linksys that does flake out sometimes.
post #27 of 40
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Originally Posted by dgk View Post

AS5, it has been a while but I'm sure I have a tube lying around. I think I'll have some fun opening up an XBox and poking around.

So far the whole system is working very well. It was complaining about network errors last night so I might end up getting a new, more modern router. I have an old Linksys that does flake out sometimes.

Before you replace the router, just put all of the TV wiring on a separate switch, and uplink to the router. Dumb (not in the derogatory way) switches seem to handle traffic better than switches built into routers.
post #28 of 40
Thread Starter 
That would be non-trivial. Each area has one wire coming in and a switch for whatever items are there. The switch by the main HTPC has at least three connections, the bedroom has the XBox, a PC, and an internet camera that watches the cat tree. The computer room/office has at least two PCs and the XBox, a printer, Well, let's see what happens when FIOS gets here and messes stuff up even worse.
post #29 of 40
Can a learning remote learn the codes of the xbox compatible remote? I would assume yes unless there are insanely long IR strings.
post #30 of 40
I would avoid learning if possible. The MCE (RC6) protocol used by Xbox and Media Center has a toggle bit that may require 2 buttons presses for a learned command to work.
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