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post #1 of 18
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It look like the largest sensor in a pocket size 1080p60 camera with zoom lens and tilting LCD.



http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100-m2
post #2 of 18
Whatever. I own the RX100 which isn't supposed to be much worse and tried filming with that one weekend to compare to a GW77 and my XA10. I wouldn't use the cam for much more than some outdoor spot captures.
post #3 of 18
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RX100 II official sample video (60p)

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I own an RX100 too and started a thread here many months ago where I was planning to post samples of what it does and doesn't as a video camera. The thread was quickly shot down when it was pointed out that the German "slashcam" identified the lens as crappy for video.

In fact, key to the design, is a lens that, by traditional standards, is a mess. In this case Sony and Zeiss worked together to make a lens and software package that would get more out of a compact design than the laws of optics used to allow.

The RX100 is my primary camera because I want four things. I want my camera to fit in my pocket, go relatively unnoticeable, take great photos in the RAW format and shoot acceptable 1080p60 video. I don't think any other camera does all four as well. There are lots of cameras that do three of those things.

Regarding this as a video forum, I've shot plenty of video footage that I like and very little where the camera did a bad job. I think it is a good video camera, especially for light weight travel. But, if "great still photos in the RAW format" is not on your list, the old and new RX100 models are not what you want.

Regarding the comment that "It looks like the largest sensor in a pocket size 1080p60 camera", my understanding is that it uses little of the large sensor for video. The large sensor is for still photos.

Bill
post #5 of 18
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I have the Panasonic ZS20 20x superzoom that also shoots 1080p60 and fits my pocket better.

post #6 of 18
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I have the Panasonic ZS20 20x superzoom that also shoots 1080p60 and fits my pocket better.


And, I think that is a better video camera than either of the RX100s. But I don't think it is a better still photo camera. Good, but not better. In fact, when my sister wanted a camera for taking grandkid pictures and my son wanted a "family" camera, I suggested the current ZS30 version.
post #7 of 18
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I used my NEX-3N today to shoot stills and videos of the grandkids and it's not much larger than the RX100 but has a larger sensor than the Canon 7D.



Edited by jogiba - 6/27/13 at 12:40pm
post #8 of 18
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I used my NEX-3N today to shoot stills and videos of the grandkids and it's not much larger than the RX100 but has a larger sensor than the Canon 7D.

It takes very little of "larger" than an RX100, to not fit in any of the pockets in my pants. If I had bigger pockets, and I don't mean for money, I might get a NEX6 and a couple lenses. But, that is back to the camera bag!
post #9 of 18
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My Verizon HTC Droid DNA smartphone with 5" 1080p display is always in my pocket.
post #10 of 18
I would have one of those smartphones except I refuse to give them the extra $360 a year for the data plan.
post #11 of 18
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RX100 II official sample video (60p)


Man - that video looks awful - and it is an official video too ! Heaps of block noise in the dark areas !
post #12 of 18
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I own an RX100 too and started a thread here many months ago where I was planning to post samples of what it does and doesn't as a video camera. The thread was quickly shot down when it was pointed out that the German "slashcam" identified the lens as crappy for video.

In fact, key to the design, is a lens that, by traditional standards, is a mess. In this case Sony and Zeiss worked together to make a lens and software package that would get more out of a compact design than the laws of optics used to allow.

The RX100 is my primary camera because I want four things. I want my camera to fit in my pocket, go relatively unnoticeable, take great photos in the RAW format and shoot acceptable 1080p60 video. I don't think any other camera does all four as well. There are lots of cameras that do three of those things.

Regarding this as a video forum, I've shot plenty of video footage that I like and very little where the camera did a bad job. I think it is a good video camera, especially for light weight travel. But, if "great still photos in the RAW format" is not on your list, the old and new RX100 models are not what you want.

Regarding the comment that "It looks like the largest sensor in a pocket size 1080p60 camera", my understanding is that it uses little of the large sensor for video. The large sensor is for still photos.

Bill

The Panasonic LX7 takes better pictures at the telephoto end and arguably as good (F/1.4) at the wide(r) end. The video IMO is far superior and I owned the RX100 for a few months (just sold it).
The LX7 also doesn't have an overheating icon that comes on like the RX-100 shooting video outdoors during the summer, and does 1280x720 @ 120FPS. Oh yeah, it's roughly 1/2 the price and has a built-in ND filter. Not that the RX-100 is bad; it's just not as good IMO for video. I would set the RX100 up on a chain-link fence to shoot my son's baseball team, and always felt nervous as that overheating icon would come on.
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Man - that video looks awful - and it is an official video too ! Heaps of block noise in the dark areas !

Yeah it's pretty bad....another example of Sony marketing asleep at the wheel.
post #14 of 18
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The Panasonic LX7 takes better pictures at the telephoto end and arguably as good (F/1.4) at the wide(r) end. The video IMO is far superior and I owned the RX100 for a few months (just sold it).
The LX7 also doesn't have an overheating icon that comes on like the RX-100 shooting video outdoors during the summer, and does 1280x720 @ 120FPS. Oh yeah, it's roughly 1/2 the price and has a built-in ND filter. Not that the RX-100 is bad; it's just not as good IMO for video. I would set the RX100 up on a chain-link fence to shoot my son's baseball team, and always felt nervous as that overheating icon would come on.
In Washington State there is a legal term, "co-mingle", that refers to sharing assets in a marriage. Considering my wife and I have been co-mingling for years, it can be said I own an LX-7 too! The catch is that it is one of the few co-mingled assets I'm not allowed to touch! That said, the LX-7 would not fit in my pocket. It does fit in a compact "travel purse" my wife bought. Other than that, you are probably right that it might be the better choice. She is very happy with it and frequently gets better pictures than I do. She has never, and probably will never, push the video button. She is simply not interested.

My video shooting with the RX100 is always short clips that are later assembled into a video. I've never seen the overheat icon and probably won't. Never have I posted that the RX100 is a good video camera. I have posted that I get high quality, short travel clips. I have suggested small cameras can get better travel scenes than camcorders or DSLRs. Try being an "ugly American tourist" in a quaint town in Spain while pointing a camcorder at a local citizen! The tiny RX100 will be less likely to offend the target.

For long clips of baseball, the RX100 would be a miserable choice.
post #15 of 18
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Yeah it's pretty bad....another example of Sony marketing asleep at the wheel.
I disagree. Sony is not trying to get you to buy this as a dedicated camcorder. The RX100 is aimed at picture takers that might not be packing their camera bag with two DSLR bodies and 5 lenses on a romantic gondola cruise. They want a pocket camera that is as capable as it can be in a shirt pocket size. Tiny is important.

If I was on a trip to Venice AND felt the need to ignore my date, wife or significant other to capture a little footage on the canal, I would be impressed with that video. In fact, I am a little jealous because my videos with my RX100 are not that well put together. When I travel with my wife, I put effort into making our trip together come first. I have to work at making photography and videography in a secondary role. My RX100 is a favorite accessory to the trip, not the purpose of the trip.

I think Sony marketing is smart here. They are demonstrating that a potential buyer can whip a multi-function camera out of a pocket and get some dramatic low light video footage. Other videos and examples show what it can do for still photo shooting that point out it can be almost as good as a huge DSLR.

(Keep in mind that the original might be better than the YouTube processing delivers.)
post #16 of 18
rx100 is a good camera
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

I have the Panasonic ZS20 20x superzoom that also shoots 1080p60 and fits my pocket better.


that nex-3n doesnt have lens.

if you include lens it is MUCH MUCH bigger.

LMAO
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by mecroman View Post

that nex-3n doesnt have lens.

if you include lens it is MUCH MUCH bigger.

LMAO
This thread is about the Sony RX100 II and it does have a F1.8 Zeiss zoom lens on it. BTW the Sony NEX-3N is the smallest APS-C system camera on the planet with the smallest zoom lens.

The Pentax Q vs 3N:
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