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post #61 of 482
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

She ruins the show for me. I'll try a couple more episodes, but she is VERY annoying, disorder or not. I hope my tolerance for her gets better, because the rest of the show was interesting.

I suspect if your tolerance doesn't get better, you'll probably end up bailing out . The article about how they wanted her condition to be as realistic as possible, will probably make her even more quirkier and even more non-conforming socially. I thought Kruger in the first episode was more likeable/normal than the Swedish actress who played Saga in the Swedish/Danish original version.
Edited by rebkell - 7/12/13 at 9:48am
post #62 of 482
Demian is excellent so far but I'm struggling to put the balance in his favor given how annoying Kruger's character is. It's got to get better, I hope.
post #63 of 482
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

I suspect if your tolerance doesn't get better, you'll probably end up bailing out . The article about how they wanted her condition to be as realistic as possible, will probably make her even more quirkier and even more non-conforming socially. I thought Kruger in the first episode was more likeable/normal than the Swedish actress who played Saga in the Swedish/Danish original version.
Exactly, and I'm hoping the consultant the producers added will "fix" that in the ensuing episodes. The Saga character in the original played the role with a much harder edge, it was very clear she had social interaction issues. So far, with only a few moments shining through, Kruger has played it more as just an annoying obnoxious cop. It's all well and good that her co-workers have acknowledged that she's "different", but the actor has to make that "difference" believable and so far Kruger is not quite hitting the mark.
post #64 of 482
I've found FX to have a good track record one their series so I expect this will be another good example. I've been told by someone who has worked in productions for network shows that FOX is the most hands off. Last thing you need is stupid bean counters meddling with a show.
post #65 of 482
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Exactly, and I'm hoping the consultant the producers added will "fix" that in the ensuing episodes. The Saga character in the original played the role with a much harder edge, it was very clear she had social interaction issues. So far, with only a few moments shining through, Kruger has played it more as just an annoying obnoxious cop. It's all well and good that her co-workers have acknowledged that she's "different", but the actor has to make that "difference" believable and so far Kruger is not quite hitting the mark.

The magic to me of Kruger's performance as Sonya is that she knows she seems like nothing but a hard assed, bordering on obnoxious, cop but thinks presenting herself that way is preferable to making clear what she has an affliction. The beautifully written and performed scene showing how shaken Sonya was when the lieutenant told her that he was considering retirement told us a lot about her.
post #66 of 482
If all she was presented as was a hard-ass, and they said "see - autism" I probably wouldn't watch, it would be typical tv malarkey.

Not understanding social interaction, and therefore lacking what we call social skills, doesn't mean you lack self-awareness or that you can't learn. I'm hoping that her personal story will be one of steady growth, with interesting setbacks along the way. We should always be aware of her limitations, but she should always be trying to adapt and improve.

We'll see in a few episodes where they're heading with it. I find Kruger's performance interesting, she seems invested in the role, and I'm a little disturbed that people seem to think you have to "like" a character.
post #67 of 482
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

We'll see in a few episodes where they're heading with it. I find Kruger's performance interesting, she seems invested in the role, and I'm a little disturbed that people seem to think you have to "like" a character.

Yes - I don't get that concept at all. I have to find the character interesting, or the plot interesting, I certainly don't have to like them.

That was the brilliance of the original Bron/Broen series. Saga was fascinating, maddening, intriguing and different. Likeable? Not so sure.
post #68 of 482
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Originally Posted by sneals2000 View Post

Yes - I don't get that concept at all. I have to find the character interesting, or the plot interesting, I certainly don't have to like them.

That was the brilliance of the original Bron/Broen series. Saga was fascinating, maddening, intriguing and different. Likeable? Not so sure.
Absolutely, that really captures Helin's performance in the original. And I also agree that having to like the character shouldn't determine whether one would enjoy the show or not, they are plenty of unlikeable characters in the history of TV. Tony Soprano wasn't a particularly likeable character but that show seemed to have had a few viewers! wink.gif



On the subject of Asperger's in television, I thought this article would be of interest. By the way, apparently there is no such thing as Asperger's anymore...

he Bridge and the End of Asperger’s on TV
post #69 of 482
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The magic to me of Kruger's performance as Sonya is that she knows she seems like nothing but a hard assed, bordering on obnoxious, cop but thinks presenting herself that way is preferable to making clear what she has an affliction. The beautifully written and performed scene showing how shaken Sonya was when the lieutenant told her that he was considering retirement told us a lot about her.
Yes, that's why I said "a few moments shining through" above. I think she will very likely pull it off, I'm hoping so as I enjoy this type show, very rough subject matter, international influences, very nuanced performances(hopefully anyway). Sure, it can be called a procedural, but can anyone really say this show is anything like a CSI, or a Law & Order? Not to me, these type of shows are light years away from this sort material.


So is it Wednesday yet? tongue.gif
post #70 of 482
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Yes, that's why I said "a few moments shining through" above. I think she will very likely pull it off, I'm hoping so as I enjoy this type show, very rough subject matter, international influences, very nuanced performances(hopefully anyway). Sure, it can be called a procedural, but can anyone really say this show is anything like a CSI, or a Law & Order? Not to me, these type of shows are light years away from this sort material.


So is it Wednesday yet? tongue.gif

Exactly. Can't wait
post #71 of 482
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

We'll see in a few episodes where they're heading with it. I find Kruger's performance interesting, she seems invested in the role, and I'm a little disturbed that people seem to think you have to "like" a character.

Exactly! When Sonya got dogmatic on the bridge and tried to keep the ambulance carrying a dying American from entering the US for critically needed treatment, I wanted to kill her. But when her soon to be partner, the Mexican cop Marco, imposed some adult supervision and countermanded Sonya's order I nearly cheered. Although Sonya churlishly asked Marco whether he had been bribed, she soon learned that he was solid. All of this was overlain, though, with Sonya's incredible fragility. I don't "like" Sonya as a person (Who could?) but I love her as a character.

If The Bridge lives up to the promise it showed in its pilot, I'll probably buy the BDs of the Scandinavian version from Amazon UK.
post #72 of 482
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

If The Bridge lives up to the promise it showed in its pilot, I'll probably buy the BDs of the Scandinavian version from Amazon UK.

Checked on that today smile.gif Too expensive for me right now. I don't know what Amazon's thinking sometimes - yesterday they had the BD import of Double Indemnity for $44 here in the U.S. I bought it at Amazon UK, along with the BD (both MoC) of Silent Running for $39 including shipping.
post #73 of 482
She also later filed a report against her new partner for letting the ambulance go across the bridge, even after he said he wasn't on the take. Her LT. had to give her a stern review. Nobody likes a rat.... She and Mirelle Enos on the Killing, especially season 1 and 2 have a lot in common. The stuck tape in the truck, how about just turning it down??? Very annoying. Gonna see how it all plays out..
post #74 of 482
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Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

She also later filed a report against her new partner for letting the ambulance go across the bridge, even after he said he wasn't on the take. Her LT. had to give her a stern review. Nobody likes a rat.... She and Mirelle Enos on the Killing, especially season 1 and 2 have a lot in common. The stuck tape in the truck, how about just turning it down??? Very annoying. Gonna see how it all plays out..

Although Sonya did write a report with the intention of throwing Marco under the bus with the Mexican authorities, her lieutenant talked her out of it. That's one reason, I think, why Sonya was shaken when she learned of her lieutenant's retirement plans. Because of her affliction, Sonya really needs the guy and knows it.
post #75 of 482
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Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

She also later filed a report against her new partner for letting the ambulance go across the bridge, even after he said he wasn't on the take. Her LT. had to give her a stern review. Nobody likes a rat.... She and Mirelle Enos on the Killing, especially season 1 and 2 have a lot in common. The stuck tape in the truck, how about just turning it down??? Very annoying. Gonna see how it all plays out..

The difference here is that Linden, although obsessed to the same extent, does not continually piss you off. But it's early and we'll have to see how it goes with Sonya. And as I said before, Marco could more than make up for being constantly annoyed at Sonya.

It's not whether the character is 'likeable' in this case, it's whether she/he makes you want to throw things at the set because of what they do, and Sonya is pretty high on that scale right now. Take Swearingen for example - no one could say he's likeable but damn was he a compelling watch every time Deadwood came on. Sonya right now makes me want to delete the recording, but then Marco talks and all is forgiven.
post #76 of 482
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

It's not whether the character is 'likeable' in this case, it's whether she/he makes you want to throw things at the set because of what they do, and Sonya is pretty high on that scale right now. Take Swearingen for example - no one could say he's likeable but damn was he a compelling watch every time Deadwood came on. Sonya right now makes me want to delete the recording, but then Marco talks and all is forgiven.

Al Swearengen was unique in the annals of television characters, I think. He was utterly ruthless and a stone killer but his charisma, intelligence, and leadership ability made him fascinatingly ambiguous. I agree that, so far at least, Diane Kruger's Sonya doesn't have much of that going for her. On the other hand, Demian Bichir's Marco adds a leavening factor to Sonya's pathological (literally) obnoxiousness. Marco is a charming easy rider, a guy who gets the job done but has learned not to sweat the small stuff. It seems to me that the combination of difficult, emotionally crippled, Sonya, and smooth old Marco promises a lot of fascinating stuff to come.
post #77 of 482
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As much as I'm burned out on serial killers I think this show has a lot of potential. You can see the seeds of some good characters even in the minor roles right now and while Sonya is abrasive Marco is the antithesis and I think that dichotomy could lead to see interesting and possibly amusing scenes in the future. The pilot hit all the right notes and in the bomb scene I honestly could not tell which way the scene was going to go. Even with Lillard in the cast I still thought maybe the show would be bold enough to kill him. Just the fact I thought that at least shows the direction of the show is playing with my imagination.

Bonus points for using subtitles on nearly all of the Mexico scenes. A more mainstream show would have had everyone speaking English to avoid alienating the audience.

Not impressed with the title sequence though. Boring music and generic location shots. Usually FX do something slightly more interesting or use better music, but given the network has been using PJ Harvey's "Down by the Water" in the promos because it contains one line which says "under the bridge" I think they left the incidental music and soundtrack duties to the B-team.

post #78 of 482
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Even with Lillard in the cast I still thought maybe the show would be bold enough to kill him.

Ack! I forgot about him - haven't seen Matthew since Hackers - seems that he's been working, but I literally have no memory of him since that little hipster movie.
post #79 of 482
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[Ack! I forgot about him - haven't seen Matthew since Hackers - seems that he's been working, but I literally have no memory of him since that little hipster movie.

Did you really forget his long running pinnacle role in the Scooby Doo movies? wink.gif
post #80 of 482
I checked out the show last week. I liked the biggest part of the show. Let's hope the continuining episodes are as well done as the pilot.

Is this one of those series that will only last a handful of episodes and that's it or a short-run season like some of the TNT shows?
post #81 of 482
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Originally Posted by MRM4 View Post

I checked out the show last week. I liked the biggest part of the show. Let's hope the continuining episodes are as well done as the pilot.

Is this one of those series that will only last a handful of episodes and that's it or a short-run season like some of the TNT shows?

13 episodes
post #82 of 482
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Originally Posted by MRM4 View Post

I checked out the show last week. I liked the biggest part of the show. Let's hope the continuining episodes are as well done as the pilot.

Is this one of those series that will only last a handful of episodes and that's it or a short-run season like some of the TNT shows?
Per IMDb it will have a 13 episode run, and if the ratings are decent presumably be picked up for additional season(s).
post #83 of 482
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Per IMDb it will have a 13 episode run, and if the ratings are decent presumably be picked up for additional season(s).

Mr. Landgraf is smart at renewing series. Seems like most of the FX shows gets renewed shortly after they make their initial go.

This show could be considered slow though. We'll see if it gets renewed.
post #84 of 482
From HOTP

Nielsen Notes (Cable)
FX: ‘The Bridge’ On Track To Become Net’s Biggest Launch Ever

Ratings on FX’s series premiere of The Bridge jumped from 3.04 million viewers who watched it on Friday, to 4.64 million viewers when DVR viewing is factored in, which the network said makes it the network’s most time-shifted new series debut to date.

FX also forecast The Bridge would become the most-watched series premiere in its history once all the viewing up to seven days after premiere is factored in. The Americans currently holds the record and its premiere clocked 5.11 million viewers over its first seven days. FX’s adaptation of this Swedish series follows two cops — one Mexican, one American – as they jointly investigate a serial killer terrorizing the Texas/Mexico border.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/fx-the-bridge-on-track-to-become-nets-biggest-launch-ever/
post #85 of 482
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I'm more interested to see how many people will stick around in three weeks to follow what could be a deep storyline that requires attention and a female lead that even people here find annoying.

And how many Middleman fans will stick around because Ida is in it? biggrin.gif
post #86 of 482
I'm a bit surprised that some of you find Sonya annoying. Is it because of the actress, or the character?
Someone mentioned they were pissed that she wouldn't let the ambulance pass. That's not the actress' fault. That's the writer.

Is it that most people are not used to dealing with someone with a mental disorder?

I have someone with a developmental disability in my family (not Asbergers). They require a ton of patience. Although I did not know she had Asbergers, I recognized from the beginning Sonya had serious social issues that could not be dismissed simply as she's an ahole.

I thought she showed more compassion than the bomb squad when she tried to calm the reporter (who was, btw, an ahole) by telling him, "It all just goes black", or whatever she said. The scene where she told the judges' husband his wife was dead was a good example of her trying to be compassionate. It was obvious she was struggling.

Now, what's behind that door?
post #87 of 482
I think as people understand the character more, much of that annoyance will subside, the question will be can Kruger in her performance as Sonya make that happen.
Edited by keenan - 7/16/13 at 11:38pm
post #88 of 482
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Now, what's behind that door?

I was waiting for an angle which tied that to the main story but we didnt get one last week. I'm expecting it to be a border tunnel for smuggling illegal immigrants. That would tie in to the general themes of the show and possibly be used at some point to link back to the main story. Either a victim or the killer uses it.
post #89 of 482
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I was waiting for an angle which tied that to the main story but we didnt get one last week. I'm expecting it to be a border tunnel for smuggling illegal immigrants. That would tie in to the general themes of the show and possibly be used at some point to link back to the main story. Either a victim or the killer uses it.

Smart thinking. You may be right.

As far as the people with disabilities, I work for a non-profit organization that helps people with disabilities, specializing in Cerebral Palsy. I have a lot of patience and compassion for people with disabilities. The actress/character doesn't bother me one bit.
post #90 of 482
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As far as the people with disabilities, I work for a non-profit organization that helps people with disabilities, specializing in Cerebral Palsy. I have a lot of patience and compassion for people with disabilities. The actress/character doesn't bother me one bit.

I agree that Sonya is entitled to our sympathy. Perhaps her incredible beauty lulls some of us into forgetting that she has a crippling mental disability and knows it. I don't view myself as the most empathetic person on earth or even close to it, but quirky, often clueless, Sonya has captured my heart.
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