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post #241 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Which set is he referring to?

Perhaps he is referencing the 81f ?

I miss read the quote and replied in terms of the 65f9000 and it being edge lit.
post #242 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

Perhaps he is referencing the 81f ?

I miss read the quote and replied in terms of the 65f9000 and it being edge lit.

What is the 81f, though? I just assumed he meant the 85.
post #243 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

What is the 81f, though? I just assumed he meant the 85.

I tried looking it up and it seems to be an older model. Im not sure if the 81f is fald tho. So I assuming he is talking about the 85"f9000.
post #244 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

I tried looking it up and it seems to be an older model. Im not sure if the 81f is fald tho. So I assuming he is talking about the 85"f9000.

The 85" is part of the S9 series, rather than F9000. Maybe he should respond, and clarify....
post #245 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

The 85" is part of the S9 series, rather than F9000. Maybe he should respond, and clarify....

+1
post #246 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Which set is he referring to? The 85S9 is FALD, according to Samsung.
Tell me what's Micro Dimming the 85 inch is one too,look on Samsung site for yourself.
post #247 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Tell me what's Micro Dimming the 85 inch is one too,look on Samsung site for yourself.

Try taking your own advice.

http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/un/85/s9/un85s9afxza/S9_UHDTV_SpecSheet_R05.pdf
post #248 of 772
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Samsung got some BS with this tv its call filp flop information,when Samsung rep comes by they don't know dimming it is.
post #249 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Samsung got some BS with this tv its call filp flop information,when Samsung rep comes by they don't know dimming it is.

They know, they just don't like to admit it. Their job is to sell TV's. Admitting that FALD is better than what they are doing with most of their line-up doesn't really accomplish that. They're not "flip-flopping" though. They have said this set was FALD from the beginning. Either way, none of this excuses you from finding the answer yourself before trying to tell me I was wrong. rolleyes.gif
post #250 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

They know, they just don't like to admit it. Their job is to sell TV's. Admitting that FALD is better than what they are doing with most of their line-up doesn't really accomplish that. They're not "flip-flopping" though. They have said this set was FALD from the beginning. Either way, none of this excuses you from finding the answer yourself before trying to tell me I was wrong. rolleyes.gif
You was not wrong or right in my book it is flip flopping because it says both.
post #251 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

You was not wrong or right in my book it is flip flopping because it says both.

They're not mutually exclusive. You are giving me a headache.
post #252 of 772
Guys stop fighting and enjoy the eye candy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx6eaVeYXOs

Found another stunning 4K stream. I watched it on my 1080p F8000. It looks superb on it. YouTube's 4K compression artifacts make it still inferior to native lossless 1080p but for streaming over the internet, the picture quality is amazing on this one. Breathtaking detail and clarity on the close ups. It's an absolute treat to watch on high quality TV's. Check out my previous post on this thread of another stunning 4K stream from YouTube if you liked this one.
post #253 of 772
post #254 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

They're not mutually exclusive. You are giving me a headache.
If you are going to work today,you going to see big price drops both sony and Samsung 4k TV's,did not know Samsung where dropping theirs too,plus the 90inch sharp.
post #255 of 772
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

The reason why Samsung loves Edge Lit over Full Array Backlit is because TV's that are edge lit can get much thinner and smaller bezels. If you've seen the Sony W900A full array backlit, you'd see how much thicker it is and how big the bezel is. It's not because Sony doesn't want a thin small bezel, it's because the full array backlit can't get as small. So if you want full array backlit, say goodbye to the impossibly thin small bezel designs.
I think most would rather have the thicker TV. If it does not say " full array, back lit, with local dimming ", the manufacturer is playing on words to make you think you are getting the best. Anything other words they use are not even close to " full array, back lit, with local dimming ".
post #256 of 772
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I think most would rather have the thicker TV. If it does not say " full array, back lit, with local dimming ", the manufacturer is playing on words to make you think you are getting the best. Anything other words they use are not even close to " full array, back lit, with local dimming ".
Some people don't know the difference one tv from the other.
post #257 of 772
Although the F8000 is edge-lit, its native black level is comparable to the W900A full-array backlit set and the F8000 puts out almost 30 more footlamperts than the W900A and the F8000 retains it's black level better on higher light outputs. Local dimming of the edge-lit LEDs on the F8000 improve the black level in horizontal subsections of the screen depending on the scene. Obviously it's not as accurate as the full-array backlit solution, but it does reduce the occurrence of blooming. I don't think people should demonize the edge-lit solution so much; when done right, like on the F8000, it's a serious competitor to the full-array backlit solution. The F8000 performs extremely well across the board.

I prefer the impossibly thin and minimalist design of the F8000 over the W900A. The giant "ring" stand of the W900A would not work with my entertainment stand at all. It'd be awkwardly high to my eye level and it'd be much further back on the entertainment stand.
post #258 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

If you are going to work today,you going to see big price drops both sony and Samsung 4k TV's,did not know Samsung where dropping theirs too,plus the 90inch


$5999 for the 65" 4k. Looks like a $1500 refund! Thats pretty cool!!!
post #259 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

The off axis viewing on the f9000 is much better. Only when I am standing or sitting far to the left or right I'd say almost as good as my vt50 in my bedroom, almost but not exactly. It does do a good job holding its picture.  On the f8000 the picture begins to loose its image only 2 or 3 seats either way, I did have the panel replaced due to dead pixels and the new panel is a td01, it seems to have the same veiwing as my 1st panel.. I am really happy with both sets. The 75" f8000 gives my living room the immersive attention the large room can handle and the 65" f9000 gives me a little better pic for my cave nights and also the tech for when I pick up the ps4 and xbox1 and more 4k content starts showing up.

As many have said when the 75" 4k sets come out at a smaller price tag than 20000 I will sell the f8000, of course I will loose a little bit but its nice to have a large 75" in a large room.

THANKS! smile.gif That may push me to the F9000 over the F8000.

We're going to have the two couples that we hang out with over for the Big Bang Theory one-hour two-episode premiere on September 24. We're all rabid fans. To accommodate everyone, off-axis viewing may be critical.

Quick question--how do compare the blooming, clouding or banding (or the lack of) of the F8000 and the F9000? Forgive me if you have already commented on this.

TIA.
post #260 of 772
The clouding and flashlighting are very minimal. I do notice more flashlighting and clouding on the corners of the 75f8000 but nothing that is terrible.

The clouding is noticable on the f8000 when booting into you tube or when a full black screen is on but its not as bad as the f7100 I had.

The f9000 seems to hold its blacks a little better especially in an all black screen shots. On the f8000 the flashlighting or bleeding will creep into the sides of the screen but once again not terribly.

I have not had any banding issues with either set when sitting in the sweet spot. However there is a slight band issue on the top of the f8000 that I only notice when my son is watching his cartoons and the screen is blue or yellow. It is only about 4 inches of the panel and only at the top and I have to stand far off to the side to see it.

The f9000 only shows a slight light bleed on the corners when I immerse the room in darkness. And I have a hard time finding any clouding on the f9000. Its screen is very uniform.
post #261 of 772
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Guys stop fighting and enjoy the eye candy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx6eaVeYXOs

Found another stunning 4K stream. I watched it on my 1080p F8000. It looks superb on it. YouTube's 4K compression artifacts make it still inferior to native lossless 1080p but for streaming over the internet, the picture quality is amazing on this one. Breathtaking detail and clarity on the close ups. It's an absolute treat to watch on high quality TV's. Check out my previous post on this thread of another stunning 4K stream from YouTube if you liked this one.

How are you boys switching the resolution. If I go to Youtube using the TV's apps and search for 4k material, I don't see any options for switching the resolution. By the way, I have a Sony 4k set.
post #262 of 772
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

How are you boys switching the resolution. If I go to Youtube using the TV's apps and search for 4k material, I don't see any options for switching the resolution. By the way, I have a Sony 4k set.

I'm not sure about Sony's YouTube app, I'd assume it auto chooses the video quality. Do you have a computer outputting to the TV? I have my PC extended into the TV so I use the webpage YouTube and set the video quality to "Original" which is right above 1080p. I have the 1080p F8000 and YouTube's 4K down-scaled to 1080p looks great! It's still not as good as lossless 1080p but it's damn good for some eye candy every once in a while outside of BluRay movies.
post #263 of 772
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Originally Posted by DRN94 View Post

Although the F8000 is edge-lit, its native black level is comparable to the W900A full-array backlit set and the F8000 puts out almost 30 more footlamperts than the W900A and the F8000 retains it's black level better on higher light outputs. Local dimming of the edge-lit LEDs on the F8000 improve the black level in horizontal subsections of the screen depending on the scene. Obviously it's not as accurate as the full-array backlit solution, but it does reduce the occurrence of blooming. I don't think people should demonize the edge-lit solution so much; when done right, like on the F8000, it's a serious competitor to the full-array backlit solution. The F8000 performs extremely well across the board.

I prefer the impossibly thin and minimalist design of the F8000 over the W900A. The giant "ring" stand of the W900A would not work with my entertainment stand at all. It'd be awkwardly high to my eye level and it'd be much further back on the entertainment stand.
Neither one is full array.
post #264 of 772
Thread Starter 
^^^ That is correct...... more play on words.......
post #265 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Sorry my friend that TV is not FALD its micro local dimming,read this whole blog.
Sorry! it is Full array local diming! try this link http://www.gizmag.com/go/6118/
I bought the LG LV 9500 with micro FALD and will not buy another tv that doesn't have FALD.
Edited by 6athome - 8/25/13 at 5:41pm
post #266 of 772
6athome.....

Which tv are you saying is FALD....you reference the 81 samsung and the 85S samsung and now are saying you have the lg. Im sorry but I am confused?

I understand the lg is FALD But in your first post you say the 81f samsung is also... im sorry for being confused as I didnt think the 81f was FALD.
post #267 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

If you are going to work today,you going to see big price drops both sony and Samsung 4k TV's,did not know Samsung where dropping theirs too,plus the 90inch sharp.

Yep, I was aware of the changes. Sharp rebate started last week.
Edited by Speakerphile - 8/25/13 at 7:18pm
post #268 of 772
Pulled the trigger on this TV and will be enjoying it later on today after I pick it up from Best Buy's warehouse. My questions are for the owners. Has any owner calibrated this TV yet? I'm wondering if with the expanded color make it harder to calibrate the TV. I of course want my TV to be used at it's fullest potential, being able to get more colors. Also, is the upconversion of HD content and blu rays automatic or is there something in the menu I have to turn on? Thanks in advance.
post #269 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

The clouding and flashlighting are very minimal. I do notice more flashlighting and clouding on the corners of the 75f8000 but nothing that is terrible.

The clouding is noticable on the f8000 when booting into you tube or when a full black screen is on but its not as bad as the f7100 I had.

The f9000 seems to hold its blacks a little better especially in an all black screen shots. On the f8000 the flashlighting or bleeding will creep into the sides of the screen but once again not terribly.

I have not had any banding issues with either set when sitting in the sweet spot. However there is a slight band issue on the top of the f8000 that I only notice when my son is watching his cartoons and the screen is blue or yellow. It is only about 4 inches of the panel and only at the top and I have to stand far off to the side to see it.

The f9000 only shows a slight light bleed on the corners when I immerse the room in darkness. And I have a hard time finding any clouding on the f9000. Its screen is very uniform.

THANKS for the answers to my questions. Much appreciated. smile.gif

One more question if you don't mind. I'm assuming power consumption for this TV is like a regular LCD or LED. Not like plasma, right?
post #270 of 772
No problem for the answers...power consumption is like lcd not plasma. And my 75" uses more than the 65" atleast thats what the yellow sticker says that comes on the tvs haha

Good luck with your choice as either you choose im sure you will be happy!
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