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post #271 of 772
I also notice ghosting on the f8000 that I do not notice on the f9000. Once again its not terrible but it is noticeable when comparing sets side by side. It is more apparent when my son is watching his cartoons.
post #272 of 772
I also decided to get the extended warranty so its covered up to 5 years just incase....this is an expensive set after all hahah warranty wasn't free but with the drop in price of the set I already had the money into the tv. So I got the 5 year warranty and about 600 back. Happy day!
post #273 of 772
Part of the ghosting is caused by the LED Clear Motion. The S-PVA panel type that Samsung uses is prone to dark tone smear which results with odd pink and green ghosts behind certain colored geometries. With LED Clear Motion on, ghosting is noticeable with stark geometry movement. Turning LED Clear Motion off will result in a blurrier image but no odd colored ghosting. I prefer LED Clear Motion on for TV and movie viewing but since I game in Game Mode, where LED Clear Motion is off, I don't see any colored ghosting.
post #274 of 772
Good to know thanks!
post #275 of 772
I have also noticed the firmware is still at 1102 for the f9000 while my f8000 is on version 1110. Im sure there will be an update for the f9000 shortly.
post #276 of 772
Still wondering if this TV auto upconverts or is there something you have to turn on or off?
post #277 of 772
Auto converts to 4k.
post #278 of 772
And there are more controls for 3d over the f8000 such as depth.
post #279 of 772
Thanks. Last question. Is there a way to access the 4K content they show in the store? Is it pre-loaded?
post #280 of 772
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Originally Posted by GerryWaz View Post

THANKS for the answers to my questions. Much appreciated. smile.gif

One more question if you don't mind. I'm assuming power consumption for this TV is like a regular LCD or LED. Not like plasma, right?

The power consumption would be similar to other LED's. That said, while LED consumes less than a plasma, even today's plasma TV's do not consume that much power. A typical LED may consume $20/year, where a similar sized plasma would consume $35/year.
post #281 of 772
The content is a sales demo disc. Im sure there is some way to get it but I dont know the way and it does not come with tv
post #282 of 772
Thanks for the reply. Kinda wish I would have went with the Sony. At least they have something in 4K to watch...
post #283 of 772
Theres a lot of trouble with the sony 4k box(I dont know exact specifics, but check out the sony forum)... and it costs 700 more. Which you can still go purchase and use on your tv. It simply streams what content they have available. I feel the samsung is a better product but if you feel you should have gotten the sony just take it back and exchange it. If you purchased it through a respected store you shouldnt have a problem with the exchange.

I believe 4k content is closer than we think. With the release of the ps4 and xbox1 in early november which both support 4k content, I think we will atleast see games and movies before the end of the year. Also sports are ususally the first to broadcast in the newest HD so that shouldnt be too far behind either.
Good luck and enjoy which tv you choose to stay with!
post #284 of 772
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

Still wondering if this TV auto upconverts or is there something you have to turn on or off?
Units will always upconvert to their "native" resolution. However, remember that something that is filmed bad will always look bad. Don't expect the Brady Bunch to look good on anything unless they remaster the film from scratch.
post #285 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

Theres a lot of trouble with the sony 4k box(I dont know exact specifics, but check out the sony forum)... and it costs 700 more. Which you can still go purchase and use on your tv. It simply streams what content they have available. I feel the samsung is a better product but if you feel you should have gotten the sony just take it back and exchange it. If you purchased it through a respected store you shouldnt have a problem with the exchange.

I believe 4k content is closer than we think. With the release of the ps4 and xbox1 in early november which both support 4k content, I think we will atleast see games and movies before the end of the year. Also sports are ususally the first to broadcast in the newest HD so that shouldnt be too far behind either.
Good luck and enjoy which tv you choose to stay with!

You're right. I think I was expecting too much. The wow factor probably won't come until the 4K content comes. I'll probably just stay with the Samsung. Will wait to see how Panasonic's look in the next month or two. I bought the TV from Best Buy and I'm a silver reward zone member. So I get 60 days to return. Thanks for the reply.
post #286 of 772
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Units will always upconvert to their "native" resolution. However, remember that something that is filmed bad will always look bad. Don't expect the Brady Bunch to look good on anything unless they remaster the film from scratch.

I understand. I guess I was expecting too much. As I told another member, the wow factor probably won't come until the 4K content comes. I gotta learn patience... smile.gif
post #287 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

Theres a lot of trouble with the sony 4k box(I dont know exact specifics, but check out the sony forum)... and it costs 700 more. Which you can still go purchase and use on your tv. It simply streams what content they have available. I feel the samsung is a better product but if you feel you should have gotten the sony just take it back and exchange it. If you purchased it through a respected store you shouldnt have a problem with the exchange.

I believe 4k content is closer than we think. With the release of the ps4 and xbox1 in early november which both support 4k content, I think we will atleast see games and movies before the end of the year. Also sports are ususally the first to broadcast in the newest HD so that shouldnt be too far behind either.
Good luck and enjoy which tv you choose to stay with!


Actually from looking at all the complaints and stuff, most if not almost all of the problems have been in the initial setup of the box where sony had to come out and swap the board out. But, the new sets shouldn't require this service as they should come ready so there shouldn't be any problems with the 4k server itself.
post #288 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

Theres a lot of trouble with the sony 4k box(I dont know exact specifics, but check out the sony forum)... and it costs 700 more. Which you can still go purchase and use on your tv. It simply streams what content they have available. I feel the samsung is a better product but if you feel you should have gotten the sony just take it back and exchange it. If you purchased it through a respected store you shouldnt have a problem with the exchange.

I believe 4k content is closer than we think. With the release of the ps4 and xbox1 in early november which both support 4k content, I think we will atleast see games and movies before the end of the year. Also sports are ususally the first to broadcast in the newest HD so that shouldnt be too far behind either.
Good luck and enjoy which tv you choose to stay with!

4k games at least on the PS4 has not been announced. Support for 4k movies has.
post #289 of 772
I would think that games will be in 4k very soon. The systems are set up for it and developers already make the content for pc, so im sure they will for the ps4 and xbox1.
post #290 of 772
It's not a matter that 4K games are "made", it's just what the hardware is capable of. PC games let you choose the output resolution. So if you're playing a game that doesn't run very well on your PC you can run it at 1600x900 or 1280x720 (lower than the 1080p standard). If you've got a nice rig and have a 4K monitor you can easily tell a game to display at 3840x2160 resolution, you just have to have some amazing hardware power to be able to drive such graphics.

You can imagine that say a PC game that does many calculations per pixel per second, you'd imagine fancy shaders, high res textures, shadows, bloom, materials, animation, physics, ect. going into each pixel 60 times a second (60 fps is preferred for games). Take a typical resolution 1080p, the amount of approximate calculations needed is 1920x1080=2073600x(whatever calculations per pixel)x60fps=how much processing power per second is needed. The Unreal Engine Demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdwHrCT5jr0 back in 2011, required at least 3 TERAFLOPS to run at 30 FPS. The next gen consoles have around 1.2 to 1.8 TERAFLOPS... And that's just for a 1080p 30 fps game with pretty close to prerendered CG level graphics. You would need roughly 4x more processing power to achieve the same level of graphics at 4K resolution and still only 30 fps.

So yeah, even IF the next gen consoles had native 4K games, the calculations per pixel would have to be very low and as a result, the graphics won't be as good. Geometries will be sharper and have less jaggies, but it still won't look as good as a 1080p game with higher level of graphics and a bit of anti-aliasing (much more processing power friendly and produces better "bang for buck"). 4K gaming is a LONG way off. Only people with higher end PC rigs nowadays can get decent graphics AND performance at 4K resolutions. I can tell you right now that the next gen consoles will not be able to do any spectacular 4K graphics given that it can't even do a tech demo that was run over a year ago on a single high end PC card. The next gen would be able to decode 4K BluRays no problem but rendering 4K graphics is a whole other story.

I mean, hell. My GTX 670 from over a year and some months ago has 2.5 Teraflops in comparison to the 1.2 to 1.8 on the next gen of consoles. No amount of software and OS optimization can make up for that gap. So my year and some month old GTX 670 can produce better graphics than the next gen consoles. And if you have a GTX 680, which produces over 3 Teraflops and is older than the GTX 670, it can produce the same graphical performance of the Xbox One and PS4 COMBINED. People are seriously over estimating the graphical performance and fidelity of the next gen consoles. PC games are going to benefit greatly from the next gen consoles. Developers will be developing NATIVE directx 11 and not having to compromise the fundamental graphics so it would be able to scale and run on the current gen of consoles will result in vastly superior graphics for PC versions of multiplatform games.
Edited by DRN94 - 8/27/13 at 1:58pm
post #291 of 772
The Samsung 85S9 (85" UHD) is full array back-lit with local dimming. The 55/65F9000 are edge-lit with local dimming. Samsung announced new lower pricing on the 55/65F9000 effective 8/25, but the 85S9 is still $40K.
post #292 of 772
Spartacus never looked better. Really liking my 65 inch F9000
post #293 of 772
Im set with my gtx 780's running in SLI. I produce 4k content on my new f9000 so im not too worried about the ps4 or xbone. Never the less 4k content will become available I believe quicker than most are saying. Even if its just movies for the new systems.

And those of us that have the tv's that can take advantage of the content will be very pleased with the results. smile.gif

Even as it site I am noticing improvments daily on my f9000 compared to my f8000. I thought the 75" immersed me more but with the 65"f9000 in the right room and right distance I understand the quality and appreciate the picture that much more.

Go get one of each and you will understand what I am talking about. smile.gif
post #294 of 772
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Originally Posted by MERKEY99 View Post

Theres a lot of trouble with the sony 4k box(I dont know exact specifics, but check out the sony forum)... and it costs 700 more. Which you can still go purchase and use on your tv. It simply streams what content they have available. I feel the samsung is a better product but if you feel you should have gotten the sony just take it back and exchange it. If you purchased it through a respected store you shouldnt have a problem with the exchange.

I believe 4k content is closer than we think. With the release of the ps4 and xbox1 in early november which both support 4k content, I think we will atleast see games and movies before the end of the year. Also sports are ususally the first to broadcast in the newest HD so that shouldnt be too far behind either.
Good luck and enjoy which tv you choose to stay with!

There are a few issues that exist with the setup, but overall I would not say it's a problematic product. Also, not everyone has these issues. The box is $500 when purchased with the TV. Personally, the TV's are so close in overall quality I think the 4K server does give it an edge over the Samsung. This is especially true when you consider the TV is $500 cheaper. Also keep in mind that the standard speakers version of the Sony is coming out shortly, with an even lower price. All told, you'll save $1000($500, if you purchase the server) and you'll actually have 4K content. The Samsung does have a better aesthetic design, and a slightly better picture. IMO, the Sony is certainly worth considering.
post #295 of 772
I don't find the dollar to performance ratio very good for any of the top tier graphics cards. I also don't game nearly enough to make such an investment worth it. I love great computer parts but I also love having lots of money lol I'm not upgrading anything in my rig until the GTX 800 series. I also see that SLI is only applicable to a handful of games and it introduces microstuttering at times. I'll probably always run a single card until SLI has little to no cons and has a higher dollar to performance ratio. I don't mind not being a pioneer of 4K gaming. I may pioneer 4K OLED gaming wink.gif but that's a bit down the road.
post #296 of 772
We all have different budgets and being 19 is a lot different than being in your 30's and having a 200+ year salary. Working for the government sucks but pays well. And in turn I get to spend my money on the toys I want.

I dont mind being an early adaptor so the next few get better deals...without such people some things would never be affordable for the general populous.
post #297 of 772
I'm going into computer engineering or some form of engineering, I don't know what peaks my interest most. I'm somewhat of a libertarian as some would say so I don't know if I'd want to work for the government even if they did offer higher salaries than private companies. I do have several thousands in savings that I'm proud of smile.gif and I have a pretty good PC build/set up and a kick ass F8000 and modest guitar gear. As far as I'm concerned, that's all I really need right now. The brand new E Class Mercedes and half a million dollar estate will be a few years from now wink.gif I'm very introverted so naturally I'm quite covetous of the latest and greatest of material things. Not anything I'm proud of but that's all you have when you're alone like me.
post #298 of 772
We all have our quirks. Another plus for me is that the galaxy note 3 will record video and take pictures in 4k resolution. This is a great thing and I look forward to it. And im sure samsung has some plans for a 4k box as sony has now. Id be pretty suprised if they dont come out with something of the sort later this year.

As for working for the government.....well lets not get into that as this is a tech forum and not a political one. As I say to each there own and we are in a free country because of the sacrifices made by free amaricans so we can spend our money how we like. smile.gif
post #299 of 772
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Originally Posted by haneyhkw View Post

I am hoping I can afford the new 4k local dimming led tv after all these years.
Just wait till the prices come down LG for what I know in the 55 and 65 inch has full array,wait see with Panasonic and Toshiba will do,plus read the article that the editor on HDGURU said.
post #300 of 772
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gillietalls View Post

I understand. I guess I was expecting too much. As I told another member, the wow factor probably won't come until the 4K content comes. I gotta learn patience... smile.gif
That is correct, upconversion will never be like something filmed in 4K.
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