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post #61 of 772
What do you think?



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post #62 of 772
These are NOT FALD. They are edge-lit with micro-dimming. While you might expect these to have this for the price they are asking, keep in mind that prices on these sets will begin to fall rapidly once all of the competition is released. They would have stupid not to build in a little room for price drops.
Edited by Speakerphile - 7/31/13 at 2:10pm
post #63 of 772
Really surprised there isn't a little more discussion on these. Has anyone pre-ordered? Has anyone had a chance to see it yet? The picture is pretty impressive, though to me not necessarily better than the Sony. Really like the aesthetic design, especially the lack of a cheesy looking bezel.
post #64 of 772
For me, I kind of lost interest when I found out it wasn't a true FALD set, but will have the same faux micro dimming as the current Samsung F8000. While it should be better than the Sony, a true FALD set like the 55" and 65" 4K LGs should be better. Honestly though, unless you are in the need of an immediate set, it would be better to wait for HDMI 2.0 or other high speed connection to get higher frame rates for sports and gaming. Hopefully, we should start seeing HDMI 2.0 early 2014.
post #65 of 772
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

For me, I kind of lost interest when I found out it wasn't a true FALD set, but will have the same faux micro dimming as the current Samsung F8000. While it should be better than the Sony, a true FALD set like the 55" and 65" 4K LGs should be better. Honestly though, unless you are in the need of an immediate set, it would be better to wait for HDMI 2.0 or other high speed connection to get higher frame rates for sports and gaming. Hopefully, we should start seeing HDMI 2.0 early 2014.

This set will have HDMI 2.0 as soon as Samsung releases the new "One Connect" box.(That is what they are calling the Evolution Kit for the F9000) From what I've heard, the LG will be the only FALD set on the market. It looks pretty good, but I didn't really have enough time with it to judge the picture vs the Samsung. I also didn't get to see very dark content on it.
post #66 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

This set will have HDMI 2.0 as soon as Samsung releases the new "One Connect" box.(That is what they are calling the Evolution Kit for the F9000) From what I've heard, the LG will be the only FALD set on the market. It looks pretty good, but I didn't really have enough time with it to judge the picture vs the Samsung. I also didn't get to see very dark content on it.
My you hit it right the nail about Samsung and Sony 4K TV's neither one are not worth the price they are asking for,I seen one in BestBuy the Samsung yesterday at work they set it up with 1080p bluray player it look no better than F-8000, well to me if these TV's are not in 4K broadcasting you better off keeping what you have,plus they both are edge-light too,im just hoping they make 4k plasma next year
post #67 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

My you hit it right the nail about Samsung and Sony 4K TV's neither one are not worth the price they are asking for,I seen one in BestBuy the Samsung yesterday at work they set it up with 1080p bluray player it look no better than F-8000, well to me if these TV's are not in 4K broadcasting you better off keeping what you have,plus they both are edge-light too,im just hoping they make 4k plasma next year

The Bestbuy by me was just setting one up today. Literally, just taking it out of the box and hooking it up. The blacks and uniformity looked slightly better than the Sony, but I was less than impressed by the 1080p up-scaling it was doing. Would have love to see some true native 4K on it, but had to run. When I have time I would love to go back and see it when they have it setup correctly. Still waiting to see of the LG 4K FALD displays in the wild.
post #68 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

...im just hoping they make 4k plasma next year

So would I. I haven't heard any plans though, so don't hold your breath. You will likely see 4K OLED though, just not for a reasonable price. I'd settle for a flat 1080p OLED at this point...
post #69 of 772
A 75" 4K Plasma for under $5,000 please...biggrin.gif
post #70 of 772
I guess their is not enough going on with the plasma forum and the trolls have come onto the LCD forum!
AUO believes 4K LCD will pose a challenge for OLED. but is coming out with a 56 in 4K OLED.
AUO is coming out with a new LCD 4K panel that will look like 3D in 2D mode.
LOOK AT THE COST OF THE LOW END LCD 4K panels and the Samsung's and Sony's will soon be dropping the price of 4K.
Edited by 6athome - 8/5/13 at 5:58am
post #71 of 772
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Originally Posted by 6athome View Post

I guess their is not enough going on the with the plasma forum and the trolls have come onto the LCD forum!
AUO believes 4K LCD will pose a challenge for OLED. but is coming out with a 56 in 4K OLED.
AUO is coming out with a new LCD 4K panel that will look like 3D in 2D mode.
LOOK AT THE COST OF THE LOW END LCD 4K panels and the Samsung's and Sony's will soon be dropping the price of 4K.

$1000 4K panels aren't going to drive costs down on major maker panels. Increased competition from equally reputable manufacturers will, to some extent. Just don't expect to find a Samsung or Sony 4K panel for $3000 this year.
post #72 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

$1000 4K panels aren't going to drive costs down on major maker panels. Increased competition from equally reputable manufacturers will, to some extent. Just don't expect to find a Samsung or Sony 4K panel for $3000 this year.

AUO has been one of, if not the major manufacturers of 4K LCD panels. I agree that 2014 will bring 4K LCD 65 in to the 2500 to 3000 range.
AUO believes the new 4K panels and the low prices will give OLED a real hard time competing with 4K LCD.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130801PD205.html
Edited by 6athome - 8/5/13 at 5:59am
post #73 of 772
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

A 75" 4K Plasma for under $5,000 please...biggrin.gif

Go to Costco and buy 4 of the 65" Panasonic plasmas and take the bezel off and run them in quad feed mode. Viola, a 130" 4K Plasma for under $5000.smile.gif
post #74 of 772
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Go to Costco and buy 4 of the 65" Panasonic plasmas and take the bezel off and run them in quad feed mode. Viola, a 130" 4K Plasma for under $5000.smile.gif

LOL!
Good one! biggrin.gif
post #75 of 772
So, has anyone seen one of these recently? If so, did you see it in low-light conditions? I'm curious to find out about light bleeding, motion performance, etc.

I'm considering a purchase but can't find one anywhere near me, nor can I find a review.
post #76 of 772
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

So, has anyone seen one of these recently? If so, did you see it in low-light conditions? I'm curious to find out about light bleeding, motion performance, etc.

I'm considering a purchase but can't find one anywhere near me, nor can I find a review.
Well,where i live we have the new f9000 in the store on Directv it show a better picture than the Sony 4k, the Samsung has better blacks,but for me i work in Bestbuy,Im not in 4k bandwagon,wait another year or two when they have more content.
post #77 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Well,where i live we have the new f9000 in the store on Directv it show a better picture than the Sony 4k, the Samsung has better blacks,but for me i work in Bestbuy,Im not in 4k bandwagon,wait another year or two when they have more content.

I've had a Sony VW1000ES 4K projector for more than a year now, so I'm very familiar with the lack of 4K content. I'm just interested in this TV for my bedroom-- something that has pretty good performance and is HDMI 2.0 upgradable in the coming months.

I can't justify spending the money on a 1080p display now and upgrading to a 4K set in the next 1-2 years. If Samsung hadn't designed the TV to be upgradable at a later date, I would have steered clear.

Did you notice any light bleeding/cloudiness on the F9000? Any other things that jumped out right away?
post #78 of 772
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

I've had a Sony VW1000ES 4K projector for more than a year now, so I'm very familiar with the lack of 4K content. I'm just interested in this TV for my bedroom-- something that has pretty good performance and is HDMI 2.0 upgradable in the coming months.

I can't justify spending the money on a 1080p display now and upgrading to a 4K set in the next 1-2 years. If Samsung hadn't designed the TV to be upgradable at a later date, I would have steered clear.

Did you notice any light bleeding/cloudiness on the F9000? Any other things that jumped out right away?
Cloudiness very little,next year they should make one with full local dimming
post #79 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Well,where i live we have the new f9000 in the store on Directv it show a better picture than the Sony 4k, the Samsung has better blacks,but for me i work in Bestbuy,Im not in 4k bandwagon,wait another year or two when they have more content.

4K content is just around the corner. Sony will use their media player as a delivery mechanism for their 4K movie download service. This is expected to launch within the next 2 months. My guess is that they will release a device next year that will allow the use of the service on non-Sony televisions. If you work at Best Buy though, you should already know this!wink.gif
post #80 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

4K content is just around the corner. Sony will use their media player as a delivery mechanism for their 4K movie download service. This is expected to launch within the next 2 months. My guess is that they will release a device next year that will allow the use of the service on non-Sony televisions. If you work at Best Buy though, you should already know this!wink.gif
Yeah I know about media server and ten movies that come with them,plus I talk to Sony rep too,he really did not like me I knew just much as he did,Sony should give media player to any consumer who buy a 4k tv from Sony.
post #81 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Yeah I know about media server and ten movies that come with them,plus I talk to Sony rep too,he really did not like me I knew just much as he did,Sony should give media player to any consumer who buy a 4k tv from Sony.

Why give it away when people are willing to pay for it?
post #82 of 772
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

Yeah I know about media server and ten movies that come with them,plus I talk to Sony rep too,he really did not like me I knew just much as he did,Sony should give media player to any consumer who buy a 4k tv from Sony.

Don't get excited about the FMP-X1 server. I had the opportunity to test it in depth, and it leaves A LOT to be desired. Side by side, the picture quality is worse than a "Mastered in 4K" disc, and on par with a good-quality Blu-Ray. When the 4K Video Unlimited service begins, they'll use the same method of encoding, so the quality won't improve at all. Huge disappointment. Absolutely not worth the $699 for the server, let alone the $30 for each movie. Stay away.

The jump in quality that 4K provides won't be entirely utilized until there's a 4K Blu-Ray standard, unfortunately, and the timeline on that is very unclear. Some say as early as 2015 and as late as 2017.

By the way, that's not true about Sony giving the servers to people who buy 4K TVs-- that's old information. Sony was giving temporary servers to people who purchased the 84" 4K TV many months ago. That hasn't been the case since the FMP-X1 was announced. Now, people who purchase a 4K TV are given a $200 off coupon for the FMP-X1, to bring the price down to $499. No more "free" servers, for the 84, 65, or 55-inch TVs.
post #83 of 772
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

Don't get excited about the FMP-X1 server. I had the opportunity to test it in depth, and it leaves A LOT to be desired. Side by side, the picture quality is worse than a "Mastered in 4K" disc, and on par with a good-quality Blu-Ray. When the 4K Video Unlimited service begins, they'll use the same method of encoding, so the quality won't improve at all. Huge disappointment. Absolutely not worth the $699 for the server, let alone the $30 for each movie. Stay away.

The jump in quality that 4K provides won't be entirely utilized until there's a 4K Blu-Ray standard, unfortunately, and the timeline on that is very unclear. Some say as early as 2015 and as late as 2017.

By the way, that's not true about Sony giving the servers to people who buy 4K TVs-- that's old information. Sony was giving temporary servers to people who purchased the 84" 4K TV many months ago. That hasn't been the case since the FMP-X1 was announced. Now, people who purchase a 4K TV are given a $200 off coupon for the FMP-X1, to bring the price down to $499. No more "free" servers, for the 84, 65, or 55-inch TVs.

I don't think he was suggesting that they are giving them away. I think he was saying Sony SHOULD give them away.

On the quality front, it may not be perfect but they are the ONLY company even close to providing an answer to the content question. Personally, I applaud them for doing what they have.
post #84 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

4K content is just around the corner. Sony will use their media player as a delivery mechanism for their 4K movie download service. This is expected to launch within the next 2 months. My guess is that they will release a device next year that will allow the use of the service on non-Sony televisions. If you work at Best Buy though, you should already know this!wink.gif

Yes, that 4K Sony "device" is called the PS4 and should be available by the end of the year.
post #85 of 772
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

Yes, that 4K Sony "device" is called the PS4 and should be available by the end of the year.

That's a solid guess, but there is no data out there to back it up. My thoughts are that Sony would have announced this in order to hype the capabilities of the console if it was actually going to happen. We'll see though.
post #86 of 772
So Brian you say the Sony server is not good ect how did you come to this conclusion ?

I own a 65 Sony 4k set with the server and I find it very good with my set.

The Movies are 100% sharper more detail ect....Now are they 1000 times better no.... but they do show a marked improvement to my eyes...

I also have the Lg 84 inch set and will order a Sony 1000 soon just want to see what is coming out at CEDA but I truly think you are being a bit on the harsh side

as far as the Sony server. The demos are stunning and the film quality will go up im sure as time go's on. I sure hope we have some kind of 4k for both the LG and Projector..

Hay at least there trying to fill a void out there for 4k content. If there was no greed Blu Ray 4k would be here in 6 months but alas its all about the mighty dollar bill....

Tj8xp............
post #87 of 772
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Originally Posted by Tj8xp View Post

So Brian you say the Sony server is not good ect how did you come to this conclusion ?

I own a 65 Sony 4k set with the server and I find it very good with my set.

The Movies are 100% sharper more detail ect....Now are they 1000 times better no.... but they do show a marked improvement to my eyes...

I also have the Lg 84 inch set and will order a Sony 1000 soon just want to see what is coming out at CEDA but I truly think you are being a bit on the harsh side

as far as the Sony server. The demos are stunning and the film quality will go up im sure as time go's on. I sure hope we have some kind of 4k for both the LG and Projector..

Hay at least there trying to fill a void out there for 4k content. If there was no greed Blu Ray 4k would be here in 6 months but alas its all about the mighty dollar bill....

Tj8xp............

I'd argue that if it weren't for greed, we'd still be watching CRT's.
post #88 of 772
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Originally Posted by Tj8xp View Post

So Brian you say the Sony server is not good ect how did you come to this conclusion ?

I own a 65 Sony 4k set with the server and I find it very good with my set.

The Movies are 100% sharper more detail ect....Now are they 1000 times better no.... but they do show a marked improvement to my eyes...

I also have the Lg 84 inch set and will order a Sony 1000 soon just want to see what is coming out at CEDA but I truly think you are being a bit on the harsh side

as far as the Sony server. The demos are stunning and the film quality will go up im sure as time go's on. I sure hope we have some kind of 4k for both the LG and Projector..

Hay at least there trying to fill a void out there for 4k content. If there was no greed Blu Ray 4k would be here in 6 months but alas its all about the mighty dollar bill....

Tj8xp............

I had extensive time with two 65" Sony 4K sets (side-by-side) a few weeks ago. On one set, I was running a number of Mastered in 4K titles on an Oppo 103. On the second set, I was running the FMP-X1 with the same titles. On every occasion, the "Mastered in 4K" disc looked better, which was obvious when played side-by-side. It looked sharper, handled motion better, and seemed to reproduce colors better. I was watching the content with a friend who installs high-end home theaters in the area and he echoed my thoughts.

It's just my opinion, but to my eyes, a high bitrate 1080p source looked better than a highly-compressed 4K movie on the FMP-X1. Now, a lot of that has to do with the codec that Sony's using, which is unfortunate (there are much better codecs available), but personally speaking, I'd take a Mastered in 4K disc over a movie on the FMP-X1 any day.

I'm definitely not trying to dump on the Sony set. To tell you the truth, I was leaning pretty heavily towards it, just for the FMP-X1. I felt like we VW1000ES owners got screwed over a little. However, after being underwhelmed by the content, I decided to check out the Samsung. I still think the Sony is a gorgeous TV and I'm still considering it, but the FMP content did absolutely nothing to win me over. Especially at the $699/$499, $30/movie pricepoints. I just wish I could find a Samsung set around me. I like what they're doing with the OneConnect box and Evolution Kits. I'm a little concerned with Sony's vague comments about upgrading current 4K TVs to future standards. Nobody can seem to pin down an answer-- just generalizations and nebulous assurances. If they had a concrete upgrade path, I'd be all over it.
Edited by BrianMundt - 8/11/13 at 12:18am
post #89 of 772
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

Why give it away when people are willing to pay for it?
I don't know where you live, consumers are very cheap,i only sold one 4k tv since it came out.
post #90 of 772
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Originally Posted by BrianMundt View Post

I had extensive time with two 65" Sony 4K sets (side-by-side) a few weeks ago. On one set, I was running a number of Mastered in 4K titles on an Oppo 103. On the second set, I was running the FMP-X1 with the same titles. On every occasion, the "Mastered in 4K" disc looked better, which was obvious when played side-by-side. It looked sharper, handled motion better, and seemed to reproduce colors better. I was watching the content with a friend who installs high-end home theaters in the area and he echoed my thoughts.

It's just my opinion, but to my eyes, a high bitrate 1080p source looked better than a highly-compressed 4K movie on the FMP-X1. Now, a lot of that has to do with the codec that Sony's using, which is unfortunate (there are much better codecs available), but personally speaking, I'd take a Mastered in 4K disc over a movie on the FMP-X1 any day.

I'm definitely not trying to dump on the Sony set. To tell you the truth, I was leaning pretty heavily towards it, just for the FMP-X1. I felt like we VW1000ES owners got screwed over a little. However, after being underwhelmed by the content, I decided to check out the Samsung. I still think the Sony is a gorgeous TV and I'm still considering it, but the FMP content did absolutely nothing to win me over. Especially at the $699/$499, $30/movie pricepoints. I just wish I could find a Samsung set around me. I like what they're doing with the OneConnect box and Evolution Kits. I'm a little concerned with Sony's vague comments about upgrading current 4K TVs to future standards. Nobody can seem to pin down an answer-- just generalizations and nebulous assurances. If they had a concrete upgrade path, I'd be all over it.
That's why I was telling Speakerphile,they should have gave it to you,those 4k TV's are very expensive,i know im not buying one anytime soon
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