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Originally Posted by xtremehometheatr View Post

I will read this thread over for your steps on room perfect setup. One point that I should make clear is that it is not that the MX 151 sounds bad or the Sony VPL looks bad. Maybe you are right that the Sony just shows more DirecTV flaws. They just are not worth the price.

Pretty simple, really with DirecTV and the 1000/1100. You can't have the benefit of 4K native resolution without seeing the weaknesses of the source video particularly on average, not HD channels. You can have the same experience with a much smaller picture with the Sony 4K panels. I've got one and it's like a miniature version of the 1000's pic. Think the old chestnut of a saying, garbage in, garbage out applies in that particular case. I have just as big an issue when trying to watch OTA digital SDTV, mainly sport on the 1100. I find I have to employ massive amounts of noise reduction and filtering to put up with the picture. I'm more annoyed at the source than the projector though, cause I'm aware it's doing it's job in displaying all the of compression artifacts that are present in the signal. If you're lumping the Sony into that statement, I would have to disagree. The technology you were able to get in the 1000 from launch left and still leaves similarly prices Sim2's and Runcos in the dust. At least you weren't buy a Sony back when the Qualia 004 was launched. If you feel the 1100 is not worth it, there's always a fall back in the VW600 you could fall back to...

Hope you find some joy with sorting the sound coming out of the MX-151 in your room. Have you ever thought of running REW to measure the room itself? I did so recently to examine my room's response. Pretty useful tool. If your room is well treated like you say, it's prob unlikely you'll find any major issues, but you can't always be completely sure till you measure it. If you really don't want it, any more I'd consider taking it off your hands as I'm about to put up a WTB in the classifieds as I can't seem to raise the hifi store offering a 150 on Audiogon for some reason.
post #452 of 479

Hello

I'm got an opportunity to buy a MX150 with firmware 1.0 RC4.

What should I do to upgrade the unit to 151? What differences they will still be by only upgrading the firmware to the lastest possible one?

post #453 of 479
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Pretty simple, really with DirecTV and the 1000/1100. You can't have the benefit of 4K native resolution without seeing the weaknesses of the source video particularly on average, not HD channels. You can have the same experience with a much smaller picture with the Sony 4K panels. I've got one and it's like a miniature version of the 1000's pic. Think the old chestnut of a saying, garbage in, garbage out applies in that particular case. I have just as big an issue when trying to watch OTA digital SDTV, mainly sport on the 1100. I find I have to employ massive amounts of noise reduction and filtering to put up with the picture. I'm more annoyed at the source than the projector though, cause I'm aware it's doing it's job in displaying all the of compression artifacts that are present in the signal. If you're lumping the Sony into that statement, I would have to disagree. The technology you were able to get in the 1000 from launch left and still leaves similarly prices Sim2's and Runcos in the dust. At least you weren't buy a Sony back when the Qualia 004 was launched. If you feel the 1100 is not worth it, there's always a fall back in the VW600 you could fall back to...

Hope you find some joy with sorting the sound coming out of the MX-151 in your room. Have you ever thought of running REW to measure the room itself? I did so recently to examine my room's response. Pretty useful tool. If your room is well treated like you say, it's prob unlikely you'll find any major issues, but you can't always be completely sure till you measure it. If you really don't want it, any more I'd consider taking it off your hands as I'm about to put up a WTB in the classifieds as I can't seem to raise the hifi store offering a 150 on Audiogon for some reason.


I don't see how 4K TV is going to appeal to many unless and until the cable companies get their signal cleaned up. On an HD live program on my measly 40" screen the picture just falls apart at about 3' feet out, people faces are blurred, titles have shadows on them. OK from a distance you don't see that, but you also have no sharpness at all; its just awful. I stay in German hotels (even a Tampa Hampton Inn recently) and the PQ in both just killed mine.
post #454 of 479
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Originally Posted by sgbroimp View Post

I don't see how 4K TV is going to appeal to many unless and until the cable companies get their signal cleaned up. On an HD live program on my measly 40" screen the picture just falls apart at about 3' feet out, people faces are blurred, titles have shadows on them. OK from a distance you don't see that, but you also have no sharpness at all; its just awful. I stay in German hotels (even a Tampa Hampton Inn recently) and the PQ in both just killed mine.

I don't consider my 4K projection in terms of satellite or cable TV at all. For LCD 4K TV's sure it's going to happen that it's viewed regularly. Frankly there's so much garbage in the way of programming on our local Sat TV that I only ever watch HD sport period. For major TV series, I view them as either quite pristine 1080p or 720p from my HTPC. I do this every night and absolutely wouldn't have it any other way than through the pristine PQ of the Sony VW1100 on a 127"x54" screen. It then just gets better again with bluray and then actual 4K - though it will be a while till the quality really makes the most of the format (very much like early bluray). For me I bought a 4K panel for my living room on more of a whim and partly to also assist me setup the Sony 4K player for the projector as it wasn't hugely expensive to get a 55". The LCD 4K panel ,as I'd predicted before purchase, I could easily take it or leave it. It just not a compelling thing to have for casual viewing use and if anything does highlight the issues with SDTV quality on a daily basis. Fortunately though I'm not there critically viewing anything and usually multi-tasking on my laptop (writing posts for example). I've always said I struggle to see the benefits of anything less than really huge (over-sized) 4K LCD displays as opposed to the use of 4K in HT projectors, that's a very diff ball game.
post #455 of 479
Well I had my final offer of $6200 accepted on the MX-150 on Audiogon biggrin.gif. The dealer is going to sort the firmware for me as well. The unit is due to shipped to me on Monday. Can't wait, really excited to be join the Mc club. Finally, after like 7 years, I'm out of the japanese pre/pros and back into the high end woohoo! Finally should do my Revels justice smile.gif
Edited by OzHDHT - 4/4/14 at 9:47pm
post #456 of 479
All,

I want to thank you for one helping my resolve my audio problem - that I did not know that I had. I will caulk it up to my stupidity. I have probably installed 30 home theaters over the years I did not read the Room Perfect portion of the manual. Stupid me. I was putting all of the room position measurements in seating locations.

After reading this thread, I set up the Room Perfect correctly. Second, thanks to Thrang, I found out how to set up the system for dual subs.

I have had this setup for a year and a half and it was just good. Now thanks to the group of you, not only have I fixed the problem - my system now sounds better than any system I have ever heard. I cannot believe how much of an improvement Room Perfect made! I have only listened to balanced two channel through the Oppo 105. Wow, Wow, Wow. The Battles DVD-A and three others sound amazing!

Unfortunately, I have leave for the weekend. It is hard to do, because I feel like I have a new system.

AGAIN THANKS. I would remove my previous post, but I think it is important to leave it as it might be helpful for others.

I will report back with more detail after using it more and please forgive my wrong conclusions on the MX-151. I highly recommend one now. But, don't discount room acoustics.
post #457 of 479
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Originally Posted by xtremehometheatr View Post

All,

I want to thank you for one helping my resolve my audio problem - that I did not know that I had. I will caulk it up to my stupidity. I have probably installed 30 home theaters over the years I did not read the Room Perfect portion of the manual. Stupid me. I was putting all of the room position measurements in seating locations.

After reading this thread, I set up the Room Perfect correctly. Second, thanks to Thrang, I found out how to set up the system for dual subs.

I have had this setup for a year and a half and it was just good. Now thanks to the group of you, not only have I fixed the problem - my system now sounds better than any system I have ever heard. I cannot believe how much of an improvement Room Perfect made! I have only listened to balanced two channel through the Oppo 105. Wow, Wow, Wow. The Battles DVD-A and three others sound amazing!

Unfortunately, I have leave for the weekend. It is hard to do, because I feel like I have a new system.

AGAIN THANKS. I would remove my previous post, but I think it is important to leave it as it might be helpful for others.

I will report back with more detail after using it more and please forgive my wrong conclusions on the MX-151. I highly recommend one now. But, don't discount room acoustics.

Glad to hear your good result, both for yourself and because I have an MX151 on order (whew!) Bottom line is that this forum and its kind contributors have helped most all of us, especially myself. from time to time and I hope that most folks are as grateful as I am.
post #458 of 479
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Originally Posted by Nestorovic View Post

Hello
I'm got an opportunity to buy a MX150 with firmware 1.0 RC4.
What should I do to upgrade the unit to 151? What differences they will still be by only upgrading the firmware to the lastest possible one?

The upgrade to the 151 from the 150 is both a hardware and firmware change. You will need to talk to a dealer about the details and pricing as I'm pretty sure there is a cost to upgrade.
post #459 of 479
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

The upgrade to the 151 from the 150 is both a hardware and firmware change. You will need to talk to a dealer about the details and pricing as I'm pretty sure there is a cost to upgrade.

Glad I saw this Adidino. I had originally post about it yesterday after getting the deal on the 150 but then read the post about McIntosh emailing firmware updates and thought I'd been silly to have not read the posts correctly, so I edited it out. I will now get on to the dealer selling it to me and sort this!
post #460 of 479
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Originally Posted by xtremehometheatr View Post

All,

I want to thank you for one helping my resolve my audio problem - that I did not know that I had. I will caulk it up to my stupidity. I have probably installed 30 home theaters over the years I did not read the Room Perfect portion of the manual. Stupid me. I was putting all of the room position measurements in seating locations.

After reading this thread, I set up the Room Perfect correctly. Second, thanks to Thrang, I found out how to set up the system for dual subs.

I have had this setup for a year and a half and it was just good. Now thanks to the group of you, not only have I fixed the problem - my system now sounds better than any system I have ever heard. I cannot believe how much of an improvement Room Perfect made! I have only listened to balanced two channel through the Oppo 105. Wow, Wow, Wow. The Battles DVD-A and three others sound amazing!

Unfortunately, I have leave for the weekend. It is hard to do, because I feel like I have a new system.

AGAIN THANKS. I would remove my previous post, but I think it is important to leave it as it might be helpful for others.

I will report back with more detail after using it more and please forgive my wrong conclusions on the MX-151. I highly recommend one now. But, don't discount room acoustics.


Really stoked to hear that man. Especially considering I'm about to be an owner as well. Don't sweat it. I've got 20+ years of hifi and home theater experience and put together many room with all kinds of gear for myself and others. I found last weekend that I'd missed that I had left a bass compensation setting on my Revel's switch to 'boundary compensation' this had cause me weeks of trying to work out why all of sudden Audyssey on my Denon was screwing up the EQ'ing and giving me ridiculous 150Hz crossovers. One flick back to normal mode and voila prob gone and my sound is back to normal or the best the Denon can do as a pre/pro in my system until the MX comes along.
post #461 of 479
Thread Starter 
In doing a little more research, the 150 to 151 upgrade may be firmware only...check this thread...

http://www.audioaficionado.org/mcintosh-audio/13341-mx150-update-thread.html

You might want to email Chuck at McIntosh support to get the details most directly.
post #462 of 479
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

In doing a little more research, the 150 to 151 upgrade may be firmware only...check this thread...

http://www.audioaficionado.org/mcintosh-audio/13341-mx150-update-thread.html

You might want to email Chuck at McIntosh support to get the details most directly.

Awesome Thrang. I'm checking it out now. I've also emailed the dealer to double check the situation. I also just found out that my Sydney dealer who supplied me my Revels and a lot of stuff over the years, is apparently a Mc dealer which could come in handy down the track. A heck of a lot better than it being a random (sometimes quite unhelpful) dealer.
post #463 of 479
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Awesome Thrang. I'm checking it out now. I've also emailed the dealer to double check the situation. I also just found out that my Sydney dealer who supplied me my Revels and a lot of stuff over the years, is apparently a Mc dealer which could come in handy down the track. A heck of a lot better than it being a random (sometimes quite unhelpful) dealer.

Not sure if 3D pass-through is the only difference between the 150 and 151. I could be wrong but I thought I recall my dealer claiming he had to send his demo 150 into McIntosh for the upgrade to the 151. I could be wrong of course... best bet is to call a dealer to find out for sure.

Either way you got yourself awesome price and should be thrilled smile.gif
post #464 of 479
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Not sure if 3D pass-through is the only difference between the 150 and 151. I could be wrong but I thought I recall my dealer claiming he had to send his demo 150 into McIntosh for the upgrade to the 151. I could be wrong of course... best bet is to call a dealer to find out for sure.

Either way you got yourself awesome price and should be thrilled smile.gif

I would say the dealer I'm purchasing it from should be able to clarify it for me before shipping it. I have mentioned to him I have heard from other owners that it could be a hardware upgrade to bring the 150 up to 151 spec. Hopefully he gets back to me on Monday about it.

I'm def stoked here. My only issue is timing. I may now have to hand back my 1100 and go the pain in the arse route of remounting my 1000 and waiting for 2 months for the upgrade kit to arrive from the factory as I'm really doubtful I'll be able to sell the 1000 in the next week before I have to pay Sony for the 1100 after now having bought the 150. The one buyer I had was a complete pain and couldn't make up his mind after a weeks worth of back and fourths on it...
post #465 of 479
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I would say the dealer I'm purchasing it from should be able to clarify it for me before shipping it. I have mentioned to him I have heard from other owners that it could be a hardware upgrade to bring the 150 up to 151 spec. Hopefully he gets back to me on Monday about it.

I'm def stoked here. My only issue is timing. I may now have to hand back my 1100 and go the pain in the arse route of remounting my 1000 and waiting for 2 months for the upgrade kit to arrive from the factory as I'm really doubtful I'll be able to sell the 1000 in the next week before I have to pay Sony for the 1100 after now having bought the 150. The one buyer I had was a complete pain and couldn't make up his mind after a weeks worth of back and fourths on it...

These things usually work out for the best - you have a great prepro at a fantastic price and once updated your 1000 will the equivalent to the 1100.
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I would say the dealer I'm purchasing it from should be able to clarify it for me before shipping it. I have mentioned to him I have heard from other owners that it could be a hardware upgrade to bring the 150 up to 151 spec. Hopefully he gets back to me on Monday about it.

I'm def stoked here. My only issue is timing. I may now have to hand back my 1100 and go the pain in the arse route of remounting my 1000 and waiting for 2 months for the upgrade kit to arrive from the factory as I'm really doubtful I'll be able to sell the 1000 in the next week before I have to pay Sony for the 1100 after now having bought the 150. The one buyer I had was a complete pain and couldn't make up his mind after a weeks worth of back and fourths on it...

These things usually work out for the best - you have a great prepro at a fantastic price and once updated your 1000 will the equivalent to the 1100.

You do follow what I'm saying here. Potentially I've got to go backwards to my old 1000 and give up my current 1100 and wait for 2 months at least for the upgrade kit to arrive - putting my X1 4K player out of action for that entire period. Then it's debatable whether I can get Sony here to send a tech for the upgrade install or I'll then have to go without projector for however long it takes to send it to them and get it back. So yeah whilst I'm stoked with the MX-150, I may have some not insignificant inconvenience on the proj front unfort..
post #467 of 479
I spoke with Chuck way back when I bought the 151 and he told me no hardware change between the 150 and 151. It is just a firmware upgrade to enable 3d pass through on the hdmi path. I would still double check with the dealer to be sure though.
post #468 of 479
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Well I had my final offer of $6200 accepted on the MX-150 on Audiogon biggrin.gif. The dealer is going to sort the firmware for me as well. The unit is due to shipped to me on Monday. Can't wait, really excited to be join the Mc club. Finally, after like 7 years, I'm out of the japanese pre/pros and back into the high end woohoo! Finally should do my Revels justice smile.gif

Way to go. I know you will love it.

 

What do you have for amps and speakers. 

 

I was able to acquire a MX-150 for about $500 more than that in Sept. Had an Anthem MCA 50 powering new B&W 803D. Amp just could not power it well. So I was finally able to add 2 x B&W DB1 and 2 x MC601's. After about 6 hours of RP work it sounds wonderful. Never heard something fill a room so well. I hate to turn it off. Was listening some some new SACD off the Oppo BDP-105. 

 

Now that I have Stereo Next up is Home Theater setup. Not sure what speakers and amps yet. I do know they will be B&W and McIntosh.

 

Also what are people doing for DSD and multi-channel DSD? For a player and DAC? I know my Oppo can handle some of it.

 

BTW I have been reading this thread since Sept. this is my first post.

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Way to go. I know you will love it.

What do you have for amps and speakers. 

I was able to acquire a MX-150 for about $500 more than that in Sept. Had an Anthem MCA 50 powering new B&W 803D. Amp just could not power it well. So I was finally able to add 2 x B&W DB1 and 2 x MC601's. After about 6 hours of RP work it sounds wonderful. Never heard something fill a room so well. I hate to turn it off. Was listening some some new SACD off the Oppo BDP-105. 

Now that I have Stereo Next up is Home Theater setup. Not sure what speakers and amps yet. I do know they will be B&W and McIntosh.

Also what are people doing for DSD and multi-channel DSD? For a player and DAC? I know my Oppo can handle some of it.

BTW I have been reading this thread since Sept. this is my first post.

As a alluded to in one of my previous posts, I have a Revel Studio2 based 5.1 system, plus Paradigm Sub1. As of late I purchased an Anthem P5, replacing a Meridian 599 and Rotel 1095. $500 really? How did you manage that? I thought I just got steal of the century at $6200.

I was/still am before 150 arrives, using my Oppo 103 into my Denon which streams DSD undecoded to it perfectly. From what I understand that ability will disappear with 150. I probably revert to letting the Oppo decode to PCM as it doesn't do a terrible job when you compare in the scenario I mentioned. I've only got a handful of old SACD's and a couple of newer downloaded albums, so I guess it's not something I'll be that worried about until more DSD comes out. For the time being it's mainly HD FLAC from HDTracks.
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post


As a alluded to in one of my previous posts, I have a Revel Studio2 based 5.1 system, plus Paradigm Sub1. As of late I purchased an Anthem P5, replacing a Meridian 599 and Rotel 1095. $500 really? How did you manage that? I thought I just got steal of the century at $6200.

 

OzHDHT.

 

Sorry for the confusion. I said "I got it for $500 more than that" meaning your deal, so for $6700. So you still did get a deal of the century. :-)

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As a alluded to in one of my previous posts, I have a Revel Studio2 based 5.1 system, plus Paradigm Sub1. As of late I purchased an Anthem P5, replacing a Meridian 599 and Rotel 1095. $500 really? How did you manage that? I thought I just got steal of the century at $6200.

 

OzHDHT.

 

Sorry for the confusion. I said "I got it for $500 more than that" meaning your deal, so for $6700. So you still did get a deal of the century. :-)


Yeah totally misread that bit, just got the $500 and though it was the headline. Not like me to misread posts lol. Oh well that's pretty close in price. Should have clarification from the dealer in a few hours as to the upgrade situ with it and then pretty soon it should be shipped out.

I decided to do one last optimisation with my denon. Slightly shifted my speakers a bit and did an 8 point run with audyssey. Confident that the results are now squeezing every last drop out the existing system as it's def improved again. Now I've got the best acoustic comparison for when the MX-150 arrives.
post #472 of 479

Has anybody heard the sound difference between the MX150 / 151 and the Marantz 8801 and could describe it to me?

I just wonder though if a very good stereo system would be better than a 4.0 with a MX151.

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Originally Posted by Nestorovic View Post

Has anybody heard the sound difference between the MX150 / 151 and the Marantz 8801 and could describe it to me?
I just wonder though if a very good stereo system would be better than a 4.0 with a MX151.

Yes, I owned both, and commented in my review...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1273072/thrangs-home-theater-for-now/390#post_23262671
post #474 of 479

Thanks for the link.

 

Since I'll be treating the room acoustics professionally with measurements, I believe RoomPerfect will have less impact. 

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I spoke with Chuck way back when I bought the 151 and he told me no hardware change between the 150 and 151. It is just a firmware upgrade to enable 3d pass through on the hdmi path. I would still double check with the dealer to be sure though.

Thanks G-Rex, the dealer said to me he's doing the firmware flash and checking the unit before it gets shipped. He didn't make an comments about my query as to whether there might be any hardware diffs according what I'd been advised could be the case. I can always ask my contact to the local dealer whether he know as well I guess next time I speak to him.
post #476 of 479
Nestorovic, my room measures very well and is 100% acoustically treated with absorbtion, diffiusers and neutral flat walls...all behind fabric. In fact my side towers are about 6' from the sidewalls and the theater ceiling is tall enough where reflections from it are a non-factor. On paper Room Perfect should not have made much of a difference. To my surprise, RP made a large improvement.
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Originally Posted by G-Rex View Post

I spoke with Chuck way back when I bought the 151 and he told me no hardware change between the 150 and 151. It is just a firmware upgrade to enable 3d pass through on the hdmi path. I would still double check with the dealer to be sure though.

I was asked by a handful (who read my Review) and I was told it was firmware....
post #478 of 479
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Originally Posted by G-Rex View Post

Nestorovic, my room measures very well and is 100% acoustically treated with absorbtion, diffiusers and neutral flat walls...all behind fabric. In fact my side towers are about 6' from the sidewalls and the theater ceiling is tall enough where reflections from it are a non-factor. On paper Room Perfect should not have made much of a difference. To my surprise, RP made a large improvement.

Thanks for the information. I hope I'll make the deal and everything will be delivered as I wish.

Is it possible to place a 42" TV on the MX150?
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Originally Posted by Nestorovic View Post

Thanks for the information. I hope I'll make the deal and everything will be delivered as I wish.

Is it possible to place a 42" TV on the MX150?

I doubt it...it generates some heat, so I wouldn't risk placing a tv stand on, and like the base of the tv is wider than the MX width
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