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post #31 of 42
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What are your thoughts on the SVS PB12-Plus and are their any other ID subs out there that would compare that I should consider? I do not just want to shake the room (if fact do not really have to do this). However, I would like great details in music but still be able to hit hard....

Eljay gave some great options for sub and I see your considering them.

 

FWIW the PB12+ is a really great subwoofer and it would work very good for music. 

 

IMO the other subs that would compare to PB12+ would be the Hsu VTF-15H and maybe the PSA XV15.

 

The step up from there would be the Rythmik FV15HP  which eljay suggested for your room. 

post #32 of 42
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Originally Posted by nikto34 View Post

What are your thoughts on the SVS PB12-Plus and are their any other ID subs out there that would compare that I should consider? I do not just want to shake the room (if fact do not really have to do this). However, I would like great details in music but still be able to hit hard....

Rythmik FV15HP
post #33 of 42
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The step up from there would be the Rythmik FV15HP  which eljay suggested for your room.
Actually, I suggested the F15HP, because his room is 1,700 cu.ft. and sealed. But, yes, an FV15HP would certainly do the job! cool.gif
post #34 of 42
Thanks everyone. I have been doing more research and am interested in the Rythmik options. However the FV15HP is on backorder in all finishes except piano black and do not see the point in paying for this finish. The FV15 is discontinued and being replaced by a different 12" option that is not listed. So this brings me to the PSA options or the SVS options. In the SVS, I think I like the SB-13 Ultra the best. Not sure how these compare to the Rythmiks so any info is appreciated. I have contacted Rythmik to see if they have any info on the backorder status as well...
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by nikto34 View Post

Thanks everyone. I have been doing more research and am interested in the Rythmik options. However the FV15HP is on backorder in all finishes except piano black and do not see the point in paying for this finish. The FV15 is discontinued and being replaced by a different 12" option that is not listed. So this brings me to the PSA options or the SVS options. In the SVS, I think I like the SB-13 Ultra the best. Not sure how these compare to the Rythmiks so any info is appreciated. I have contacted Rythmik to see if they have any info on the backorder status as well...

Looks like the Rythmik FV15HP in the standard finish is on backorder till the end of January. I can probably wait that long unless I find a better option before then...
post #36 of 42
What are thoughts on the Rythmik F12SE subwoofer in this system. Shipped runs right at 1k. I assume this would compete with the Sub 12 and best the DSP-3200?
post #37 of 42
It should best the DSP-3200, but not the 1,700W RMS Studio SUB 12 (which costs considerably more than the F12SE).

Personally, I still think the F15HP ($1,184 + shipping) would be an excellent choice for your space.

FWIW, my room is ~3,400 cu.ft. and when I contacted Rythmik a few years ago about an upgrade from my sub at the time, they recommended dual F12s or a single F15 (non-HP). In a room half the size, the F15HP should be very satisfying.
post #38 of 42
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I am looking at getting a pair pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5 along with either the CC-590 or CC-690 center channel. I am also looking at either the DSP-3200 or the Studio Sub 12. My listening is primarily 70% movies and 30% music. I am not looking to shake the house apart but want to great bass in movies but also hear the detail in music (guess I am getting older). There is a large price difference between these options so am looking for the best option. My room is a dedicated home theater space that is 10ft x 18.75ft x 8.66ft (WxLxH). I am willing to step up tot he SUB12 but don't what to spend the extra coin if a properly tuned DSP-3200 will work just as well 95% of the time.

Any thoughts/advice is appreciated.

Well, I spent the afternoon doing some serious listening to speakers and subs... I listed to B&W CM 9s and CM10s. Enjoy the CM 10s much more than the CM 9s. However, both had a great sound on the vocals and the soundstage was good. Seemed that the voice was coming out of the center but maybe a little high in space but really enjoyable. I then listened to some ML ESLs, while these sounded good, probably not the best HT speaker... Then I listened to a variety of Paradigm Monitor 9s, Studio 60s, and Sig 8s. Wanted to listen to the Studio 100s but were not available. After all this listenting, I liked the Studio 60s and the CM10s the best. I had a real hard time deciding the difference so the price point on the Studios is better. In fact, I think I may go with the Studio 100s as these are still less than the CM10s. I am going with the CC-690 center channel so the 100s should complement nicely.

As for subs, I have not been able to listen to the ID options but did listen to several Paradigm choices (Ultracube 12, DSP-3200, Seismic 12, PS-1000). I like the DSP-3200 the best. Was able to stay musical even at low levels and low volume. It actually sounds better than the Ultracube 12. Also listened to a BW sub (not sure the model) but did not like at all. I am also considering the SVS SB13-Ultra and the Rythmilk 15HP, just wish I could audition them first. I know everyone here thinks the ID options are better than the DSP-3200 but after listening to the DSP-3200 with the Studio speakers, it sounded and complemented the setup nicely. What to do, what to do....
post #39 of 42
If you liked the DSP-3200, get the SVS PB12-NSD. It will perform at least as well as - and, in all likelihood, much better than - the DSP, but for comparable or less money. (It's still on sale for $699, shipped.)

If you're worried about not liking it, SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days, and your in-home demo will have cost you $0.
post #40 of 42
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

If you liked the DSP-3200, get the SVS PB12-NSD. It will perform at least as well as - and, in all likelihood, much better than - the DSP, but for comparable or less money. (It's still on sale for $699, shipped.)

If you're worried about not liking it, SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days, and your in-home demo will have cost you $0.

I second the point about the SVS free shipping both ways and 45 day free trial. Since you have heard the DSP you almost owe it to yourself to take advantage of the fail safe option SVS offers on their in home trials.

 

By the way, they wouldn't offer us this trial period if they were very worried about many of the subs getting returned. That should tell us all something about their confidence in their product. 

 

Plus this way you get to listen to it in your home with the setup it would be coupled with. That's pretty important.

 

Finally, if you can return it if you decide you don't want it, I would buy the DSP as well and compare the the PB12-NSD and DSP in your home. Return the one you like least. ;) 

post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by Hopinater View Post

I second the point about the SVS free shipping both ways and 45 day free trial. Since you have heard the DSP you almost owe it to yourself to take advantage of the fail safe option SVS offers on their in home trials.

By the way, they wouldn't offer us this trial period if they were very worried about many of the subs getting returned. That should tell us all something about their confidence in their product. 

Plus this way you get to listen to it in your home with the setup it would be coupled with. That's pretty important.

Finally, if you can return it if you decide you don't want it, I would buy the DSP as well and compare the the PB12-NSD and DSP in your home. Return the one you like least. wink.gif  

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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

If you liked the DSP-3200, get the SVS PB12-NSD. It will perform at least as well as - and, in all likelihood, much better than - the DSP, but for comparable or less money. (It's still on sale for $699, shipped.)

If you're worried about not liking it, SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days, and your in-home demo will have cost you $0.

Great point from the both of you! Think I will give this a shot. Price wise, I can actually get the DSP for the same price as the PB-12-NSD and maybe a little lower as I might be able to work a package deal...
post #42 of 42
IMO and FWIW:
- You can get the DSP for the same price as the PB12-NSD because i) Paradigm gear has high mark-up, and ii) the DSP is over-priced.
- In Internet-direct (ID) terms, the DSP is, at best, a $400-$500 sub.

That said, if you have the opportunity to demo both in your home, definitely take advantage of it.
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