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post #1621 of 3119
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Originally Posted by Chuck Tribolet View Post

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t's also doing a DNS query every twenty seconds on google.com.  The DNS requests are way too chatty.

It's doing NTP three or four times per hour to pool.ntp.org.  Correction:  Every 10 minutes, pretty precisely.

Every ten minutes its doing an SSDP (Simple Service Discovery Protocol) to the multicast address of 239.255.255.250 and not getting anything back.
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Point of information: I was away for a week and the only autonomous devices powered up on my network were the DVR+, an idle Raspberry Pi running Raspian, and a Skype phone. I doubt the latter two initiated much (if any) internet activity on their own. My ISP shows that 0.01GB (10MB) of data was transferred each day, so I attribute that largely to the periodic polling done by the DVR+ (primarily the DNS requests).

The DNS requests are probably done so that the DVR+ can continuously update its "internet connection" status.
post #1622 of 3119
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Originally Posted by Russell_ View Post


Perhaps do a screen capture (say using your phone) of the screens you go through? It's got to be something silly that happens to the best of us.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post

Back to the wireless connection
With my unit on day one after a struggle - got wireless connected for the last week.Took a few tries - must have done something right - did have to go thru the password thing a few times.
Did some cabinet rearranging and unplugged everything.
Replugged HD, power, HDMI and antenna.All good except internet.
Has network name, Connection status CONNECTED, signal quality EXCELLENT
But connection type - Internet status DISCONNECTED, Wireless connection status CONNECTED
Gone to the other screen for SCAN - confirm - enter password - but still can not get 'internet status - CONNECTED
Went thru the password thing 10 times.
I have other wireless devices that work fine.
Is there a guide for this anywhere?
All looks good but will not connect. I am missing something.
Any guidance will be appreciated.

 

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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post


Chan 200 says 'no internet connection - may still be something i am missing.

 

I have been using a wired connection but,last night, in trying to help Bernie I put the WIFI adapter back in (pulled out the ether net plug) and went thru the wireless setup with no problems.
This morning I found my wireless connection disconnected and tried several times going thru the setup with no luck.

I finally pulled the power plug to force a restart.

After it rebooted I went back thru the wireless setup process and it connected up fine this time.

Now to wait over night to see if it will stay connected.

 

On a separate issue, I have noticed that when I change input connections and then come back to the DVR it pops up the box for Program Options that is asking "Record just this program" or "Record all programs with this name"  You have to select one or select "Cancel"... Which is annoying.

Has anyone else noticed this or know why it would do that?

post #1623 of 3119
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

While I don't own a DVR+ yet, I would hope they spend their time, money and resources on improving the OTA DVR functions and NOT waste time on trying to make it a smart TV or ROKU like device or any one of a dozen other devices that we can buy to get Netflix and other material on our TVs.

I have 2 really cheap Blue Ray DVRS and a cheap TV that can get Netflix. These are not new devices either. So I imagine that most people if they own a blue ray player or a TV they bought in the past 2-5 years probably can get Netflix. I can also get other movie/show material. However I have never had the need and don't use it.
I think this is just one more case of this product not being the product people posting here are shopping for. A lot of people do not want to switch between a DVR and a Roku. We were on the phone yesterday with my mother-in-law who accidentally hit the input button on her remote.

By putting Netflix on the channel guide, CM is catering to these people.
post #1624 of 3119
Most people may not want to switch between Roku and DVR but they already will be switching between their TV and the DVR+. I know I would be. Many people will also replace the DVR+ remote with a multi function remote to make that easier.
post #1625 of 3119
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Most people may not want to switch between Roku and DVR but they already will be switching between their TV and the DVR+. I know I would be. Many people will also replace the DVR+ remote with a multi function remote to make that easier.
The cm7500 has an input button on the remote. If all you have is a CM7500, its remote can control the basic tv functions. For many people changing inputs is a barrier to using additional devices. I cited my mother-in-law, but I'll wager my own mother has never used the Roku I bought her because that would require her to change the input. It's sad to watch...
post #1626 of 3119
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

...Many people will also replace the DVR+ remote with a multi function remote to make that easier.

If you like the feel and layout of the Dish remote (like the one that came with the Dish DTVPal DVR and the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR), you can purchase a brand-new Dish 20.1 learning remote on eBay for only $6.16 with FREE shipping included.
post #1627 of 3119
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

If you like the feel and layout of the Dish remote (like the one that came with the Dish DTVPal DVR and the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR), you can purchase a brand-new Dish 20.1 learning remote on eBay for only $6.16 with FREE shipping included.
And see http://www.avsforum.com/t/1481183/channel-master-dvr-owners-thread/1110#post_24205358 to help you teach it the DVR+.

It's a very solid remote, with more than enough buttons. One thing that I haven't tried (I would but you need to re-teach all the buttons at one go, so perhaps when I have some time to kill) is to make it learn all the keys except the "Input" button from the original DVR+ remote, and learn the "input" button from my TV's remote, since its "input" button is not part of the "always TV" controls like volume or mute. If that worked, I would not need to switch the remote to TV mode to change inputs (and remember to switch it back to AUX) or use another remote. Not sure it can learn from two different remotes though.
post #1628 of 3119
Doesn't anyone else find it terminally annoying that the DVR+ constantly reverts back to stretching 4:3 SD channels horizontally (thus corrupting the aspect ratio) and there is no setting to tell it not to do this?
post #1629 of 3119
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

I next programmed it to record 6 consecutive half-hour programs on PBS, ticking them off on the guide by skipping half hour periods. That is if they were programs airing in the order of 1,2,3,4,5,6 I would go through the guide and select to record programs 1, 3, and 5 first, then go back and tick off programs 2, 4, and 6. I again expected to see 6 recordings of 34 minutes each. (34,34,34,34,34,34). That is exactly what I got. So setting up the same recordings in a alternate pattern forced the DVR+ to use both tuners and preserved the desired overlap.

I gave this method a try and I still get recordings with no padding in the middle (32,30,30,30,30,32).  There must be another factor which controls whether one or both tuners are used.  I don't know if it would make any difference but all of my recordings were on a sub-channel.

post #1630 of 3119
If you want to record back to back programming on one channel, why don't they have an option to record in manually set blocks of time? Then have meta data recorded for each show, so you can skip between the programs with a button push? Have padding on both ends of the time block? That way you don't have to start up another show's recording just to watch the end of the previous show?

Makes sense, doesn't it?
post #1631 of 3119
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

Doesn't anyone else find it terminally annoying that the DVR+ constantly reverts back to stretching 4:3 SD channels horizontally (thus corrupting the aspect ratio) and there is no setting to tell it not to do this?
I did mention how poor and volatile the TV settings frown.gif
post #1632 of 3119
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

Doesn't anyone else find it terminally annoying that the DVR+ constantly reverts back to stretching 4:3 SD channels horizontally (thus corrupting the aspect ratio) and there is no setting to tell it not to do this?

 

You are not the first to comment on this.  I suggest sending a politely worded email to Channel Master about this, asking them to allow one to set the default in future firmware, or to simply have it default to whatever setting was last selected.  Either way would work fine.  And either way would work fine for those who like stretched, distorted images.

 

As it is, it is a constant annoyance.  Not annoying enough for me to send it back, but it does certainly make me wish that they had some proper competition for this sort of thing, so that maybe I could buy one that is done right.

 

Overall, I like it so far.  But it is annoying that it does not always record the buffer with each show (when recording back to back shows on the same channel), and this aspect ratio situation is also annoying.  Really, they should have the aspect ratio set to default to whatever one last selected, and then everyone should be pretty happy about it.  It would be fine to have it come out of the box any way they want, but not allowing one to change the default is a very poor choice on their part.

post #1633 of 3119
I think they must watch the thread unconditionally and do demand from e* do works on bugs and fixing annoying "features" like the "4:3" default and omitted (WHY ?!) aspect setting. And more...
post #1634 of 3119
"...they must watch the thread unconditionally..."

Of course, I hope you are correct - however, I personally don't expect ***e*** to 'correct' anything, as prior PalDVR/CM7000/CM7400 experience has shown that, once ***e* considers that the "feature/Function set" is complete and it is stable (does not crash), it is a finished product.

This is why I will continue to use my PalDVRs with PSIP and 1T HDD as I do not consider the DVR(-) to be as user friendly or intuitive as the PalDVR, nor do I expect to ever see ***e*** or CM correct these shortcomings. It's a finished product. It is sad that this is most likely true as I personally believe this result will continue to frustrate the OTA crowd and potential cord cutters and further reduce the potential OTA migration. And let's face it - ***e*** really does not have a financial motivation to provide the possible cord cutters a really good product - adequate is good enough.
post #1635 of 3119
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

nor do I expect to ever see ***e*** or CM correct these shortcomings. It's a finished product.
Expect at least one firmware update to do a big bug-fix. They polled the early adopters for their feedback for a reason -- early adopters are the second wave of beta testers who just pay for the privilege of beta testing.
post #1636 of 3119
Back to Wireless question.
I am considering a few things.
1. MKS13 - thanks for your effort. I also have restarted and got an internet status 'CONNECTED' but I sat and watched the status - in about 3 min it went to 'DISCONNECTED' It actually went on/off more than
once. All this time all this time wireless status in connected and signal 'excellent'

2. PSMITH had a comment that suggested it may only connecting only when it wants. I noted my guide today - it ent to Fri 2/7 8:00 AM. I wiil see tomorrow if it connects when it wants to update the guide.

3.CHUCK TRIBOLET has traced internet traffic from the DVR and if I understand (just a little) it is doing stuff almost ll the time. Which would be more connected than non connected

4. while connected or non connected status - my computer stays connected and also an internet radio.

5. So it likes my wireless connection but is flaky (maybe) with the internet connection.

6. By the way the CM wireless thing is always blinking its little red light
Let us see what tomorrow brings.
Thanks for your interest - maybe some other wireless folk will help
Bernieoc
post #1637 of 3119
"...Expect at least one firmware update to do a big bug-fix..."

Yes, I do too, but the key word here is BUG - which ***e** interprets as incorrect functioning of a function, i.e. WiFi disconnect, not a feature change such as buried signal strength/quality. What you have as a feature/function set today is exactly what you will have two years from now. Feature/function set implementation is now frozen - what you have is what you will keep.
post #1638 of 3119
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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post

Back to Wireless question.
I am considering a few things.
1. MKS13 - thanks for your effort. I also have restarted and got an internet status 'CONNECTED' but I sat and watched the status - in about 3 min it went to 'DISCONNECTED' It actually went on/off more than
once. All this time all this time wireless status in connected and signal 'excellent'

4. while connected or non connected status - my computer stays connected and also an internet radio.

5. So it likes my wireless connection but is flaky (maybe) with the internet connection.

 

Bernie.. FYI I'm still connected thru the WIFI and it has been about 7 hours.

Is your computer connected with WIFI or is it a wired connection?

When your DVR+ was connected did you try connecting with VUDO?

It wouldn't hurt to contact CM via email to get in their queue for help.. below is the contact page.

http://support.channelmaster.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

post #1639 of 3119
MKS13
computer is wire but radio and smart tv are wifi and both work.
I will go for channel master tomorow
Thanks
post #1640 of 3119
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I think they must watch the thread unconditionally and do demand from e* do works on bugs and fixing annoying "features" like the "4:3" default and omitted (WHY ?!) aspect setting. And more...

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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

"...Expect at least one firmware update to do a big bug-fix..."

Yes, I do too, but the key word here is BUG - which ***e** interprets as incorrect functioning of a function, i.e. WiFi disconnect, not a feature change such as buried signal strength/quality. What you have as a feature/function set today is exactly what you will have two years from now. Feature/function set implementation is now frozen - what you have is what you will keep.

I do not have a DVR+ -- I am on the sidelines until I see whether some of this stuff is addressed, and will happily continue to use my DTVPal DVR in the meantime. I do have some suggestions: Perhaps the OP can update the first post as had been done with the DTVPal DVR thread. Post bug fix requests and feature requests front and center. Remember that E* did in fact add a few features to the Pal after its release, including expanding the max allowed HDD support from 500GB to 1TB, and allowing an option to have the buffer record for as long as that channel had been tuned.

Suggestions for bug fixes:
  • Wireless dropping connection
  • Aspect ratio issues -- allow user to select default and remember that selection.
  • Clock issues -- allow user to choose internet time as a menu option, so that stations' PSIP time errors do not skew the clock.

Suggestions for feature requests:
  • Allow user to select via menu the type of guide shown. Allow for a full screen guide rather than the bottom half as it currently stands. Allow users to select font size such that 3 hours of guide can be viewed without scrolling. This allows users to see all prime time shows at once.
  • Show red recording light while recordings are active, even when in standby
  • Allow user to select buffers as described earlier.
  • Allow favorites in the guide without deleting channels. e.g. I would like to be able to select, say, 6 channels as favorites and see only those channels in the guide, but be able to both select all channels and tune them.
  • I am sure there is something about not recording repeats, name based recording etc. that you all want, but since I don't own this yet I am not qualified to express this as well as I would want.
  • Show signal strength in info banner, as in Pal DVR.

Feel free to add and/or edit. E* is aware I assume that there are many out there like me who have other options available, but would happily pay for this if these issues are addressed.
post #1641 of 3119
"...I assume that there are many out there like me who have other options available, but would happily pay for this if these issues are addressed..."

Amen to that. I too was one of those really looking forward to Upgrading to the DVR(-).
post #1642 of 3119
just quick thought:
if they buried SL/SQ gauge meters down to _special_ 'tech info' page, do make it really technical: add BER/MER numbers for both before/after correction; perhaps pull from tuner/demod much more data like real signal level in dBm units, give SNR in dB, etc
move the 0..100 lamer's SS/SQ bars to overlay of watching channel, like it was done for TR50

Perhaps draw the 8VSB constellation diagram to control it at point of receiving (it will incur the station's errors, air, EMI interference, multi-path influence so final condition will explain a lot to real use of the DVR, for each point or receiving OTA in each state, not that UK simulators)...
I could continue smile.gif and propose a couple more parameters for troubleshooting a signal, DVR itself...
Edited by P Smith - 1/26/14 at 10:40pm
post #1643 of 3119
From UK old brother:
it's using WiFi TP-Link TL-WN821N stick;
and
support for Atheros AR7010 and AR9271
and its splash screen

Edited by P Smith - 1/26/14 at 11:50pm
post #1644 of 3119
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

If you like the feel and layout of the Dish remote (like the one that came with the Dish DTVPal DVR and the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR), you can purchase a brand-new Dish 20.1 learning remote on eBay for only $6.16 with FREE shipping included.

Great idea and since I bought one a few months back to use with my IVIEW3500 I can vouch that this is a great deal for a very nice remote for anyone thinking about replacing the DVR + remote or having a backup.
post #1645 of 3119
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post
 

I gave this method a try and I still get recordings with no padding in the middle (32,30,30,30,30,32).  There must be another factor which controls whether one or both tuners are used.  I don't know if it would make any difference but all of my recordings were on a sub-channel.


Stupid question, but was the DVR+ definitely in off/standby mode? If not, it might be actively tuned to a station with one of the tuners? Just a guess.

 

What happens if you have two programs set to record at the same time and you turn it on to watch TV? Does it say you can't do that since both tuners are being used? I haven't had that scenario yet.

post #1646 of 3119
you can watch one of the two channels what are recording, and pick/switch between these
post #1647 of 3119
If you have two recordings taking place and turn on the unit to watch TV, it will allow you to toggle between the two channels being recorded, and also give you a choice of canceling either recording to watch a third program. Very nice, it won't allow you to make an error canceling a show without putting the onus on you.
post #1648 of 3119
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Originally Posted by MattFromPhilly View Post
 


Stupid question, but was the DVR+ definitely in off/standby mode? If not, it might be actively tuned to a station with one of the tuners? Just a guess.

 

What happens if you have two programs set to record at the same time and you turn it on to watch TV? Does it say you can't do that since both tuners are being used? I haven't had that scenario yet.


Yes, it was definitely off when the recordings were made.  I'm not sure what else I can try to get it to use both tuners.

post #1649 of 3119
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Originally Posted by Will in MKE View Post


I do not have a DVR+ -- I am on the sidelines until I see whether some of this stuff is addressed, and will happily continue to use my DTVPal DVR in the meantime. I do have some suggestions: Perhaps the OP can update the first post as had been done with the DTVPal DVR thread. Post bug fix requests and feature requests front and center. Remember that E* did in fact add a few features to the Pal after its release, including expanding the max allowed HDD support from 500GB to 1TB, and allowing an option to have the buffer record for as long as that channel had been tuned.

Suggestions for bug fixes:
  • Wireless dropping connection
  • Aspect ratio issues -- allow user to select default and remember that selection.
  • Clock issues -- allow user to choose internet time as a menu option, so that stations' PSIP time errors do not skew the clock.

Suggestions for feature requests:
  • Allow user to select via menu the type of guide shown. Allow for a full screen guide rather than the bottom half as it currently stands. Allow users to select font size such that 3 hours of guide can be viewed without scrolling. This allows users to see all prime time shows at once.
  • Show red recording light while recordings are active, even when in standby
  • Allow user to select buffers as described earlier.
  • Allow favorites in the guide without deleting channels. e.g. I would like to be able to select, say, 6 channels as favorites and see only those channels in the guide, but be able to both select all channels and tune them.
  • I am sure there is something about not recording repeats, name based recording etc. that you all want, but since I don't own this yet I am not qualified to express this as well as I would want.
  • Show signal strength in info banner, as in Pal DVR.

Feel free to add and/or edit. E* is aware I assume that there are many out there like me who have other options available, but would happily pay for this if these issues are addressed.

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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

"...I assume that there are many out there like me who have other options available, but would happily pay for this if these issues are addressed..."

Amen to that. I too was one of those really looking forward to Upgrading to the DVR(-).
Me too.

I suspect that the reason E* added features was because of the DTVPal thread opening post. All the good, bad and desired right there. Is Aero 1 still involved?

To add to feature request, an Apple & Android app, to assist antenna pointing, like SiliconDust offers.
post #1650 of 3119
I think people should just get used to the UI and feature set as they are. I expect at least one, possibly two, firmware updates to fix operational bugs, but feature additions or changes to the UI are not bugs. Use the CM-7000 and the CM-7400 as examples of what to expect for updates. People who think the feature set of a $250 DVR is incomplete may be sitting on the fence in here, but the people out there appear to be buying these up as fast as they can make them so there is little incentive for CM to do anything except hammer out the biggest bugs, probably add a few more streaming services and get them out the door.
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