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post #1801 of 3093
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post


Chuck, sorry to mentor you (I don't know your Internet forum's history of reading/posting),
but when you do reply to someone just under his/her post, you don't need to make a quotation. It would clutter the thread as we see: ppl overuse quotation feature, instead of quoting small relevant portion, they do it in full, sometimes without meaning.

 

You have no way of knowing whether another post (or ten) came in while you were typing, so quoting makes sense, in general.  I do agree that the irrelevant parts of the quote should be deleted.

 

I had e-mail in about 1978 (I was the first alpha tester for the e-mail system that ran IBM until about 1998), and I've been on forums since about 1983. 

 

Chuck

post #1802 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Chuck Tribolet View Post
 
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post


Chuck, sorry to mentor you (I don't know your Internet forum's history of reading/posting),
but when you do reply to someone just under his/her post, you don't need to make a quotation. It would clutter the thread as we see: ppl overuse quotation feature, instead of quoting small relevant portion, they do it in full, sometimes without meaning.

 

You have no way of knowing whether another post (or ten) came in while you were typing, so quoting makes sense, in general.  I do agree that the irrelevant parts of the quote should be deleted.

 

I had e-mail in about 1978 (I was the first alpha tester for the e-mail system that ran IBM until about 1998), and I've been on forums since about 1983. 

 

Chuck

 

I agree with you.  However, sometimes someone quotes a part and deletes the rest without any proper indication of the fact that part has been omitted (apparently, some people could use a better education and instruction on ellipses), and often have deleted something that really is relevant.  Context can significantly alter the way in which something will be understood, and often people show poor judgement about what to delete.  I personally would rather them keep the entire quote, as I can easily see from the beginning of the quote whether it is something I remember reading or not, and can decide whether to skip the quoted part and jump to the new material, or can decide to go ahead and look again at the particular quote.  And certainly, it is a good idea to look at the specific quote before posting if one imagines that the response is in error, as it may be that it is about a specific point that is quoted and may be right after all.

post #1803 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Chuck Tribolet View Post
 
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Chuck, sorry to mentor you (I don't know your Internet forum's history of reading/posting),
but when you do reply to someone just under his/her post, you don't need to make a quotation. It would clutter the thread as we see: ppl overuse quotation feature, instead of quoting small relevant portion, they do it in full, sometimes without meaning.

 

You have no way of knowing whether another post (or ten) came in while you were typing, so quoting makes sense, in general.  I do agree that the irrelevant parts of the quote should be deleted.

 

I had e-mail in about 1978 (I was the first alpha tester for the e-mail system that ran IBM until about 1998), and I've been on forums since about 1983. 

 

The ability to delete parts of a quoted post is EXACTLY the reason people should at least include the poster's name and link icon at all times.

post #1804 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Jack D Ripper View Post


The Rovi guide is 14 days, isn't it?  If it rechecks every 3 days, you then, on the short end, have an 11 day program guide.  Is that not long enough?  But go ahead and return it if you wish.  For my part, having a program guide for a week is good enough, and I could even live with just the broadcast guide, as it will do repeated recordings of things of the same name, so I do not have to see it in advance for the DVR to record it.

I do agree that the device is far from perfect.  But I know of no decent alternative.  I am unwilling to pay for a program guide, and I am unwilling to have a device that requires a phone connection or an internet connection to function at all.

I wish there were decent competition for this device, but wishing for something does not make it happen.  For me, it is "good enough" as it is, though I certainly wish it were better.  And, given my requirements, I know of nothing that satisfies them better than this, even in its current less than ideal state.  So I will be keeping mine.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345016

http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-Simple-Branded-Software-STV2-2US/dp/B00GY0UAV4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1391377817&sr=8-2&keywords=simple.tv

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/08/simple-tv-second-gen-hands-on/

Yes, it's a pay for guide, but there's just not a lot of options out there.

They are shipping now...
Edited by Primestar31 - 2/2/14 at 2:04pm
post #1805 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Primestar31 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Jack D Ripper View Post


The Rovi guide is 14 days, isn't it?  If it rechecks every 3 days, you then, on the short end, have an 11 day program guide.  Is that not long enough?  But go ahead and return it if you wish.  For my part, having a program guide for a week is good enough, and I could even live with just the broadcast guide, as it will do repeated recordings of things of the same name, so I do not have to see it in advance for the DVR to record it.

I do agree that the device is far from perfect.  But I know of no decent alternative.  I am unwilling to pay for a program guide, and I am unwilling to have a device that requires a phone connection or an internet connection to function at all.

I wish there were decent competition for this device, but wishing for something does not make it happen.  For me, it is "good enough" as it is, though I certainly wish it were better.  And, given my requirements, I know of nothing that satisfies them better than this, even in its current less than ideal state.  So I will be keeping mine.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345016

http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-Simple-Branded-Software-STV2-2US/dp/B00GY0UAV4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1391377817&sr=8-2&keywords=simple.tv

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/08/simple-tv-second-gen-hands-on/

Yes, it's a pay for guide, but there's just not a lot of options out there.

They are shipping now...

 

You are also forgetting that it requires an internet connection to function, which is a deal breaker for me, as already stated in the post to which you replied.  The Channel Master has its basic functionality without any internet connection, and without a phone connection.  The internet connection gives one a better program guide, but it is not essential for it to function.  And the internet connection also gives one the option of using Vudu, which I do not use and do not care about.  For me, the internet connection improves the program guide, which I like.  But it is not essential, and so if I were to move somewhere without an internet connection, I could still use the Channel Master DVR+.  However, SimpleTV would be completely useless then.  In short, I have zero interest in SimpleTV.  It does not meet my minimum requirements.

post #1806 of 3093
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

I'm about ready to return this sucker and reorder later in the year when they get it all working correctly.

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Thanks for being our "beta" tester then. I kind of wondered about that when I saw that CM were only selling them directly from their website. Easier to keep tabs on what's out there and update then or recall them, if necessary. You have to think that if and when they really believed in the product they would start mass marketing them through the usual channels (Amazon, BB, FS, etc.)

 

I sympathize and agree that there's not much else out there to choose from right now. Me, I've gone with a Homeworx - idiosyncratic and flaky, yes, but at least it's cheap! I like to think of it as my new little hobby.

 

I have high hopes for the new Tablo - and in the longer term I'm hoping against hope that if TiVo gets out of the hardware business some of the big name companies will move in. (Dreaming in technicolour, I know)


Edited by laridae - 2/2/14 at 2:54pm
post #1807 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Jack D Ripper View Post

For me, the internet connection improves the program guide, which I like.  But it is not essential, and so if I were to move somewhere without an internet connection, I could still use the Channel Master DVR+.  
In the absence of an Internet connection, has it been established yet whether or not the DVR+ will periodically scan the channels on its own to refresh the PSIP information? If it does not then name-based recording is useless without daily manual intervention to refresh the PSIP data and if you wish to record while away for several days you are back to manual date/time/channel VCR style programming.

As you say, an Internet connection is not required for operation and if it satisfies your needs that's great. It would be nice to know, however, if it is more than just a manual recorder without that Internet connection.
post #1808 of 3093
Is anyone else seeing an odd problem with the menu showing entries from what is shown in the guide? (My unit's guide is strictly ota at this point in time)

We had a power outage today and when the unit came back up the guide listings were all mixed up, for instance where the ION network is it was showing listings for fox but after the second reboot the guide straightened out and a rescan of channels.

Another annoyance is, I had one station go off the air later today and it basically stopped the unit from responding to any pressed remote buttons the dvr would not chsnge channels. I kept pressing the power button on the remote and at what seemed to be at least a minute the unit powered off.


Just looked at the guide again and it shows on a station that has 6 subchannels that Qubo is playing the superbowl and the shopping channel is showing Columbo smile.gif talk about a screwed up guide
Edited by smintn - 2/2/14 at 6:45pm
post #1809 of 3093
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Originally Posted by smintn View Post

...Another annoyance is, I had one station go off the air later today and it basically stopped the unit from responding to any pressed remote buttons the dvr would not chsnge channels. I kept pressing the power button on the remote and at what seemed to be at least a minute the unit powered off.

 

I have had similar problems with channels that have poor reception.  As soon as I try to select one of them, the DVR+ locks for a long time (i.e., it does not respond to any key presses).  Eventually, it does respond though.

 

This seems to be a specific instance of a more general problem -- the DVR+ does not seem to manage multiple tasks very well.  In computer terms, it does not seems to do a good job at multiprogramming or multitasking.  For example, when you press keys too fast, the DVR+ often ignores some of those key presses (i.e., it does not buffer its input).  You can cause that problem with the menu bar.  After clicking the Menu button, click the scroll key a few times very quickly.  The DVR+ will ignore your clicks until it is done displaying each animated icon.  At that point, when it is ready for the next key, your earlier, unprocessed clicks will have been ignored.  The Guide has similar problems.  Even channel navigation (e.g., scrolling up and down) could be improved by removing the delays (for example, several scroll-up clicks should be processed almost immediately, with only the last click causing a slight delay as the channel is tuned).

post #1810 of 3093
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Originally Posted by kwg View Post

re: ebay 141093561047

My research found that the "red" label adapter may not be compatible due to the wrong chipset.

A "blue" label adapter was on Amazon.

Just wondered where you found the research?

I don't think the color of the label is indicative of what chip set it has. Proof in point, as you pointed out earlier, the CM unit is in the same molded plastic housing.

Here is a web site for a distributor in China, it shows a "red label" on top but if you page down it shows a "blue label' at the bottom.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/831947806/Wireless_Adapter_OEM_300Mbps_Realtek_RTL8192CU.html

 

But there is a "Blue" unit back on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Innovic-Wireless-Adapter-Desktops-Laptops/dp/B00DVMCNZY/ref=sr_1_77?ie=UTF8&qid=1391307750&sr=8-77&keywords=usb+300Mbps+Mini+WIFI

It does not give the chipset, let alone the VID/PID  but it "looks" like (Same molded case) the one I took a chance on and purchased and it is working fine.

post #1811 of 3093
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

Just filed for the RMA from CM. Not worth holding on to beyond the 30-day return period with all the bugs and design issues. I'll reorder if and when they get a DVR that is good to go.

Anybody else return theirs yet? Don't forget you've only got 30-days.

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I returned mine because it would never do a factory reset and eventually wouldn't boot. One bit of good news is that the DVR+ box fits nicely into one the USPS Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate boxes for $12.35.
post #1812 of 3093
Say What? People are actually returning the DVR+ because it does have lots of issues? I can't believe my eyes after all those glowing reports by the early posters who were gushing with praise for the DVR+!smile.gif
post #1813 of 3093
I haven't seen any of the 'gushers' admitting to returning their DVRs. I didn't.
post #1814 of 3093
DVR+ continues to exceed my expectations; love my new Dish remote (thanks to the folks here who helped me get it up and running). I think the CM remote is embarrasssingly designed.
No trouble with internet connection using CM adaptor and Uverse DSL.
I have noticed remote delay/sluggishness with functionality after the device finishes booting up for about half hour. No impact however since I don't typically use the unit until few hours after daily boot up from being shut down by timer during overnight/day time hours.
post #1815 of 3093
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Originally Posted by MattFromPhilly View Post

Got my optical mini plug adapter and connected the DVR+ to my receiver. Works as expected. Got digital stereo or surround sound depending on the source. Pretty cool.

One very odd thing. When I clicked the on/off button on the remote to turn off the DVR+, the sound kept coming out of the receiver for the station I was watching. I guess the power button on the DVR+ doesn't really put it in a standby mode as much as just kill the video/audio feed to the HDMI cable. Otherwise, it is apparently still tuned in to the station and sending the audio to the digital audio out.

At least for a while... Everything was off all night. I just turned on the receiver without turning on the DVR+ and there is no sound. I guess it decided to shut the audio signal off after a while. I will try to do some tests to figure out how long it takes. I am guessing the idle-to-standby setting maybe? Interesting.


I have noticed that the DVR+ does not shut off too. I guess that it is a standby mode. When I turn off my DVR+ when the overlay is on it stays on the screen until it is turned on and off again (if the overlay is off) a second time. With the internet adapter plugged in (Thanks to MKS13 I purchased the one he mentioned) it is always blinking with the DVR+ on or off. If I check the TV’s input for the DVR+ while it is turned off there will be colors flashing on the screen, and checking with a wattage meter the DVR+ uses 8.4 watts turned off and 9.3 turned on.
post #1816 of 3093
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Originally Posted by artisticimaging View Post


I have noticed that the DVR+ does not shut off too. I guess that it is a standby mode. When I turn off my DVR+ when the overlay is on it stays on the screen until it is turned on and off again (if the overlay is off) a second time. With the internet adapter plugged in (Thanks to MKS13 I purchased the one he mentioned) it is always blinking with the DVR+ on or off. If I check the TV’s input for the DVR+ while it is turned off there will be colors flashing on the screen, and checking with a wattage meter the DVR+ uses 8.4 watts turned off and 9.3 turned on.


I haven't seen anything on my TV when the unit is in the OFF status. From what I have seen, it successfully kills the signal going out of the HDMI plug. Seems to me that's the only thing that changes though. I am basically thinking of the power button as more of a Low Power button. Basically like an energy saver setting on your computer that turns off the monitor, as opposed to really putting the whole machine to sleep.

post #1817 of 3093
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Originally Posted by laridae View Post

Thanks for being our "beta" tester then. I kind of wondered about that when I saw that CM were only selling them directly from their website. Easier to keep tabs on what's out there and update then or recall them, if necessary. You have to think that if and when they really believed in the product they would start mass marketing them through the usual channels (Amazon, BB, FS, etc.)

I sympathize and agree that there's not much else out there to choose from right now. Me, I've gone with a Homeworx - idiosyncratic and flaky, yes, but at least it's cheap! I like to think of it as my new little hobby.

I had great hopes for the DVR+, but I'm holding off at this point until some of the bugs are fixed (maybe this summer after the current TV season concludes). My iView 3500STB, running Homeworx firmware, hasn't missed a recording in a long time, and the only recording conflict I have this season is NCIS/Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., so I can pick up those recordings on my DTVpal DVR.
post #1818 of 3093
I haven't returned mine. I use it daily. My only concern is the time issue.
post #1819 of 3093
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Originally Posted by dkreichen1968 View Post

I had great hopes for the DVR+, but I'm holding off at this point until some of the bugs are fixed (maybe this summer after the current TV season concludes).

I am in the same camp. Very tired of dealing with "partially baked" device firmware which takes weeks to resolve..

I'll wait until current customers are satisfied or until SWMBO urges me to select one of the other offerings.
post #1820 of 3093
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Originally Posted by smintn View Post

Is anyone else seeing an odd problem with the menu showing entries from what is shown in the guide? (My unit's guide is strictly ota at this point in time)

We had a power outage today and when the unit came back up the guide listings were all mixed up, for instance where the ION network is it was showing listings for fox but after the second reboot the guide straightened out and a rescan of channels.

Another annoyance is, I had one station go off the air later today and it basically stopped the unit from responding to any pressed remote buttons the dvr would not chsnge channels. I kept pressing the power button on the remote and at what seemed to be at least a minute the unit powered off.


Just looked at the guide again and it shows on a station that has 6 subchannels that Qubo is playing the superbowl and the shopping channel is showing Columbo smile.gif talk about a screwed up guide

Keep in mind a power outage could have left things in a unstable state - there's no saying what it was in the middle of doing when the "plug was pulled". And, since you're still having problems after a couple of reboots, I'd recommend (at the risk of losing your customization and timers but not your recordings) a full Factory Reset.
post #1821 of 3093

I have had mine a while now, also use it everyday, still does everything I mentioned in my earlier posts.  My 2tb portable hard drive is now 10% filled with shows I don't have time to watch.  Wireless works flawlessly, picture quality is excellent.  The program guide is the most used and appreciated feature, especially the "point and shoot" recording feature using the guide.

 

I have the Logitech remote programmed so when I hit the "Watch TV" button, it turns on the TV and sets the input to "PVR" and it turns on the DVR+, all with one button. 

post #1822 of 3093
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Originally Posted by pkeegan View Post

I haven't returned mine. I use it daily. My only concern is the time issue.
Mine, which had kept pretty good time here in Philly, went about 2 minutes slow over the weekend and is about 4 minutes slow now. I pulled the antenna connector off so that it would have to use NTP, but have no idea when or how often it queries the NTP server. I can't believe an NTP server would be 4 minutes slow! I'll check it in the morning.
post #1823 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Chuck Tribolet View Post
 

If you are that lucky, buy a lotto ticket.  The printer driver is unaware of encryption.  Encryption is handled down in the networking layers of the OS, not in the printer driver.

 

Chuck

That was my bad, you are correct ,was doing all sorts of things when I posted, should have said printers firmware

post #1824 of 3093
Searched a little, but is it possible to the the recordings off this unit and play them on a mobile device? I'm assuming not... Copyright crap....
post #1825 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

Searched a little, but is it possible to the the recordings off this unit and play them on a mobile device? I'm assuming not... Copyright crap....
try again ... look for "strmHHHH.ts" words
post #1826 of 3093
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

Searched a little, but is it possible to the the recordings off this unit and play them on a mobile device?

Yes, and no. It's relatively easy to get the recordings off the DVR: connect the USB HDD to your PC and copy the files, assuming you have a driver for the ext filesystem. As for getting the recordings to play on your mobile device, you might not be able to play them directly, unless you have playback software that supports MPEG transport streams. If you don't, you'd need to use something like HandBrake to transcode and remux the recordings into a format that your mobile device supports. It can be time consuming, but it's free.
post #1827 of 3093
Ok, Thanks guys
post #1828 of 3093
Here's a bug for you... I keep setting my IP address to 192.168.1.194 (with Auto [DHCP] disabled). That seems to work (I can ping it and it has internet connectivity), but the next day, it goes right back to 192.168.1.32 all by itself. How's that for a "feature"?
post #1829 of 3093
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

Here's a bug for you... I keep setting my IP address to 192.168.1.194 (with Auto [DHCP] disabled). That seems to work (I can ping it and it has internet connectivity), but the next day, it goes right back to 192.168.1.32 all by itself. How's that for a "feature"?

That sounds strange. There is always a debate between DHCP and fixed IP adresses, and I don't wish to start another one. My method is to leave DHCP enabled but make reservations for my static equipment. With my router (WMDR4500), it also permits me to change the netbios name. I leave .2 though .9 free, then reserve starting at .10 and this has worked fine for years.

 

How's the time?

post #1830 of 3093
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

That sounds strange. ... How's the time?
The time still sucks - I'll give it a whole day with no RF, only internet, and see if it gets better.
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