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post #781 of 3069
hello,
my apologies if this has been covered, but will this pick up digital cable channels if i hook (timewarner) cable to it? searching the interweb has turned up nothing.

-yes, i know it is primarily an OTA device.

i brought my cm7400 to upstate NY when i came to help out with my Dad, i cant get any OTA/antenna channels here. i figured since the DigitalTV gets most of the channels without a cablebox, the cm7400 would as well, but it does not. PBS and a couple others.
id like to find a replacement for the cm7400 that can do OTA and see the cable channels.

thanks, david
post #782 of 3069
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post

I ordered my DVR+ the same day as you but they didn't ship it until 12/31 and it isn't scheduled for delivery here until this Wednesday (I chose ground shipping and lost two days because of New Year's).

But I think it is wrong to accuse everyone who got an early delivery and likes the DVR of being some kind of shill for the company.
you know... reading these two-four guys' posts where they're sharing their real experience as owners of the new DVR+ and compare to that what one-time-just-joined-memeber wrote here, I'm siding with Primestar31
it would be honest if she will publicly disclose her affiliation with CM/e* before posting...

and remember - a few of AVS members did pre-order the DVR at Dec 14, then our orders has been cancelled without any reason (why they wouldn't keep us in a queue if they knows new DVR will arrive soon ?), then we did our orders again at Dec 16 and after we got her silly .. shilly posts ? ... where are our DVRs ?

also I'm be damn wrong if I would put your words in others mouth frown.gif where is you found someone accused EVERYONE ?!

Let me tell you again - by my opinion, CM at all made sting 'operation' by open publicly pre-orders to recruit hundred free gamma testers. So far all posts and actions from their side does supporting this opinion. I feel while they will not get satisfied confidence in 101R they will hold shipment to real customers, we will not see our DVR+ before that. frown.gif
Edited by P Smith - 1/5/14 at 3:37pm
post #783 of 3069
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post


you know... reading these two-four guys' posts where they're sharing their real experience as owners of the new DVR+ and compare to that what one-time-just-joined-memeber wrote here, I'm siding with Primestar31
it would be honest if she will publicly disclose her affiliation with CM/e* before posting...

and remember - a few of AVS members did pre-order the DVR at Dec 14, then our orders has been cancelled without any reason (why they wouldn't keep us in a queue if they knows new DVR will arrive soon ?), then we did our orders again at Dec 16 and after we got her silly .. shilly posts ? ... where are our DVRs ?

also I'm be damn wrong if I would put your words in others mouth frown.gif where is you found someone accused EVERYONE ?!

Let me tell you again - by my opinion, CM at all made sting 'operation' by open publicly pre-orders to recruit hundred free gamma testers. So far all posts and actions from their side does supporting this opinion. I feel while they will not get satisfied confidence in 101R they will hold shipment to real customers, we will not see our DVR+ before that. frown.gif

Why did you ask pkeegan to answer your shill questions?  There was nothing in what pkeegan said that should make anyone suspect that they were a shill. I am a "real" customer and they have shipped me a unit even though I have no affiliation with CM at all.  Are you going to ask me to answer the same questions if I like the DVR+ too?

 

If you are so angry that your order got cancelled, then complain to CM.

post #784 of 3069
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Originally Posted by ssnsltd View Post

-yes, i know it is primarily an OTA device.
Not "primarily" -- exclusively.

Answer to your question = no cable.
post #785 of 3069
I got curious and did a google image comparison search for the CM Wi-Fi adapter....

Using
http://www.channelmasterstore.com/v/vspfiles/photos/CM-7500XWF-2.jpg

I found one match
http://www.wowparts.com/300mbps-mini-wireless-usb-wifi-network-adapter-802-11n-g-b/
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server900/63ac5/products/1611/images/11218/020102_00110_c1b__22083.1382064071.1280.1280.jpg

Of course there is no guarantee it is compatible hardware...

Somebody needs to use USBView (or similar) to get the tech info from the CM part.
post #786 of 3069
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

and remember - a few of AVS members did pre-order the DVR at Dec 14, then our orders has been cancelled without any reason (why they wouldn't keep us in a queue if they knows new DVR will arrive soon ?), then we did our orders again at Dec 16 and after we got her silly .. shilly posts ? ... where are our DVRs ?

also I'm be damn wrong if I would put your words in others mouth frown.gif where is you found someone accused EVERYONE ?!

Let me tell you again - by my opinion, CM at all made sting 'operation' by open publicly pre-orders to recruit hundred free gamma testers. So far all posts and actions from their side does supporting this opinion. I feel while they will not get satisfied confidence in 101R they will hold shipment to real customers, we will not see our DVR+ before that. frown.gif
If anyone from CM reads this thread, I can easily understand why they would cancel your order. biggrin.gif
post #787 of 3069
whatever ...

the Karfagen must be destroyed ! biggrin.gif
post #788 of 3069
Thread Starter 
This place is hilarious. We hate digital anything, we hate tv over the Internet, we hate using a splitter to split the tv signal to the tv and dvr, we hate not having svideo out so we can hook it up to our zenith console TVs and Betamax, we hate the wifi adapters, we hate rovi, we hate 14 day guide, we hate the signal meter, we hate the size of it, and we hate the people who got them before us. God dammit tivo! Thanks a lot!

Relax people, you'll get it soon enough.
post #789 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Not "primarily" -- exclusively.

Answer to your question = no cable.

bugger- thanks!
post #790 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

This place is hilarious. We hate digital anything, we hate tv over the Internet, we hate using a splitter to split the tv signal to the tv and dvr, we hate not having svideo out so we can hook it up to our zenith console TVs and Betamax, we hate the wifi adapters, we hate rovi, we hate 14 day guide, we hate the signal meter, we hate the size of it, and we hate the people who got them before us. God dammit tivo! Thanks a lot!
That pretty much summarizes it. You might add:
We hate that the device does not have all our individual pet features at no extra cost and we hate the thought that it might have someone else's pet feature which we have no value for and don't want to pay for.

And yes, it's all TiVo's fault because they have patents on Air, Earth, Fire and Water -- and don't deserve any of them because the system is corrupt and prevents the chinese from robbing American industry blind so they can sell what I want for as little money as possible.
post #791 of 3069
From the CM DVR+ website:

DVR+ is now available for immediate shipment!
post #792 of 3069
will trust to a shipment manifest only !
post #793 of 3069

DVR+ award at CES: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1665099

 

Chuck

post #794 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

That pretty much summarizes it. You might add:
We hate that the device does not have all our individual pet features at no extra cost and we hate the thought that it might have someone else's pet feature which we have no value for and don't want to pay for.

And yes, it's all TiVo's fault because they have patents on Air, Earth, Fire and Water -- and don't deserve any of them because the system is corrupt and prevents the chinese from robbing American industry blind so they can sell what I want for as little money as possible.
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Originally Posted by Aero 1 View Post

This place is hilarious. We hate digital anything, we hate tv over the Internet, we hate using a splitter to split the tv signal to the tv and dvr, we hate not having svideo out so we can hook it up to our zenith console TVs and Betamax, we hate the wifi adapters, we hate rovi, we hate 14 day guide, we hate the signal meter, we hate the size of it, and we hate the people who got them before us. God dammit tivo! Thanks a lot!

Relax people, you'll get it soon enough.


I hate to say it, but I can see where this forum may come across sounding this way. However, really, all we are doing is commenting on what we see or feel as limitations based upon our personal opinions & experiences with previous equipment. Sometimes we feel that once a feature or approach to implementing a feature should be carried forward into the next generation device and added with other improvements rather than having to give up preferred, tested previous implementations for other improved functions/features. It seems like we have to give up a lot of good approaches to functions/features for better approaches on other functions/features. To a customer, this doesn't sound reasonable - especially when we know that advanced feature sets cost less with each new generation! *E* had the PalDVR AND K77 designed to their specs., and the knowledge gained from the PalDVR SHOULD have been transferred to the K77. From the recent posts, it appears that this did not happen, and many PalDVR customers WILL NOT be happy about this.
post #795 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

However, really, all we are doing is commenting on what we see or feel as limitations based upon our personal opinions & experiences with previous equipment.
BS. P Smith has called people liars and generally been insulting and dismissive. This is supposed to be an owners thread not a whiners thread.
post #796 of 3069
A careful re-read of my post will show that nowhere did I reference P. Smith's comments - rather the tone of this forum noted by the quotes.
post #797 of 3069
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

BS. P Smith has called people liars and generally been insulting and dismissive. This is supposed to be an owners thread not a whiners thread.
please do quotes with your aquisations or your post sounds as throttling flames here

and BTW, when I wrote "reading these two-four guys' posts where they're sharing their real experience as owners of the new DVR+" I thought about you too
post #798 of 3069
Chuck Tribolet;
With these external drives, how much does the USB to SATA interface play into this? There appears different enclosures act differently with the same DVR.
post #799 of 3069
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Originally Posted by ucmerick View Post

From the CM DVR+ website:

DVR+ is now available for immediate shipment!

Well, that's great to hear. I placed my order on 12/31 and order status still says "Processing." I hope it ships this week.
post #800 of 3069
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post

I ordered my DVR+ the same day as you but they didn't ship it until 12/31 and it isn't scheduled for delivery here until this Wednesday (I chose ground shipping and lost two days because of New Year's).

Just like DD24, I ordered mine on 12/19, got a phone call on about 12/29 asking me if I wanted an early ship in exchange for answering a couple of phone surveys. Mine is also due to be delivered on Wednesday, 1/8 and was delayed a day or two because of New Year's Day. I don't know why I was chosen; I live on the east coast and I don't think I ever ordered anything directly from CM before.

Justin
post #801 of 3069
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

BS. P Smith has called people liars and generally been insulting and dismissive. This is supposed to be an owners thread not a whiners thread.

Wizwor,

You are sadly mistaken if your view of life is that all owners are happy with their purchase and sellers are all honest and reputable people providing quality products and service. This forum is for people to complain too!

The reality is we have here a classic example of a version of bait and switch. Offering a product for sale that was in very limited supply and allowing people to order it and not be very forthcoming up front that there were only going to be a few people who would actually receive the DVR in a timely fashion. The fact that you were one of the few and are happy does not take away from the shameless marketing ploy that took place. They can offer up all kinds of excuses they want....bottom line they screwed over customers big time. When someone opens this device up and goes over the quality of the components you paid over $249 for we will know if you got screwed too.
post #802 of 3069
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Chuck Tribolet;
With these external drives, how much does the USB to SATA interface play into this? There appears different enclosures act differently with the same DVR.

The SATA commands and data are just wrapped up in a USB protocol and the enclosure shouldn't play a part.  I suspect the difference is firmware options set on the drives rather than the enclosure.  I further suspect that if you switched the two drives between the two enclosures, the behavior would be move with the drive.

post #803 of 3069
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Originally Posted by wizwor View Post

BS. P Smith has called people liars and generally been insulting and dismissive. This is supposed to be an owners thread not a whiners thread.

Also I think in addition to shoveling too much snow in the cold you need to stop acting like a CM sales rep.
post #804 of 3069
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

The reality is we have here a classic example of a version of bait and switch. Offering a product for sale that was in very limited supply and allowing people to order it and not be very forthcoming up front that there were only going to be a few people who would actually receive the DVR in a timely fashion.

 

How was this bait and switch?  Until yesterday all they were offering were pre-orders which were promised to ship in January.  Nothing more.  The fact that they were able to ship some units out before that doesn't obligate them to fill all of the pre-orders.

post #805 of 3069
I am not an owner of the DVR+ nor am I about to be. But at the behest of another member here, I am posting this so that people can think about this before taking the plunge into ChannelMaster's new product. I was a fairly early adopter of the CM-7400 and was satisfied enough with it that I continue to use it today. But I found out that CM will no longer provide the premium guide for it after just two years of the CM-7400 coming out, making it largely useless since PSIP guide data is problematic in the unit. I had expected to get far more than two years of service from this unit, and to be abandoned like that has really ticked me off at CM. Paying $400 for the unit and additional for an expanded hard drive, only to have it become not much more than a doorstop in 2 years is not my idea of a good investment in equipment. It makes TiVO look like a bargain from that standpoint.

All of that to say, that the DVR+ will only be as good as the guide data that it uses. If CM is not willing to commit to a minimum of 5 years of guide data, they certainly won't be seeing any more of my dollars for their equipment, and I doubt that they ever will, even with a commitment since they burned me already. Anyway, it's something to think about on whether CM has the track record to earn your business on this new model. Forewarned is forearmed.
post #806 of 3069
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Originally Posted by homer86 View Post

Just like DD24, I ordered mine on 12/19, got a phone call on about 12/29 asking me if I wanted an early ship in exchange for answering a couple of phone surveys. Mine is also due to be delivered on Wednesday, 1/8 and was delayed a day or two because of New Year's Day. I don't know why I was chosen; I live on the east coast and I don't think I ever ordered anything directly from CM before.

Justin

Update - the unit arrived today.

Justin
post #807 of 3069
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

I am not an owner of the DVR+ nor am I about to be. But at the behest of another member here, I am posting this so that people can think about this before taking the plunge into ChannelMaster's new product. I was a fairly early adopter of the CM-7400 and was satisfied enough with it that I continue to use it today. But I found out that CM will no longer provide the premium guide for it after just two years of the CM-7400 coming out, making it largely useless since PSIP guide data is problematic in the unit. I had expected to get far more than two years of service from this unit, and to be abandoned like that has really ticked me off at CM. Paying $400 for the unit and additional for an expanded hard drive, only to have it become not much more than a doorstop in 2 years is not my idea of a good investment in equipment. It makes TiVO look like a bargain from that standpoint.

All of that to say, that the DVR+ will only be as good as the guide data that it uses. If CM is not willing to commit to a minimum of 5 years of guide data, they certainly won't be seeing any more of my dollars for their equipment, and I doubt that they ever will, even with a commitment since they burned me already. Anyway, it's something to think about on whether CM has the track record to earn your business on this new model. Forewarned is forearmed.

I think you are right to caution people about CM's history, and we shouldn't forget Rovi's history either.  But I only paid $250 for the DVR+ (I already had a USB drive dedicated to video recording) not the $400 you paid.  Even so, I would be greatly disappointed if the 14 day guide goes away after a short time but even if it does, I will still have a DVR which is at least a couple of steps above what I currently have.

 

And don't think that TiVo's "lifetime" subscription is absolutely guaranteed either.  I don't think they are on solid footing financially and if they go out of business, nothing is guaranteed.

post #808 of 3069
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Originally Posted by DD24 View Post
 

I think you are right to caution people about CM's history, and we shouldn't forget Rovi's history either.  But I only paid $250 for the DVR+ (I already had a USB drive dedicated to video recording) not the $400 you paid.  Even so, I would be greatly disappointed if the 14 day guide goes away after a short time but even if it does, I will still have a DVR which is at least a couple of steps above what I currently have.

 

And don't think that TiVo's "lifetime" subscription is absolutely guaranteed either.  I don't think they are on solid footing financially and if they go out of business, nothing is guaranteed.

Amen to that. Ask all the Sony DHG owners how they feel about Rovi.

 

On your guide, does it have listings through 1/20 or 1/19? Thanks for checking.

post #809 of 3069
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post
 

Amen to that. Ask all the Sony DHG owners how they feel about Rovi.

 

On your guide, does it have listings through 1/20 or 1/19? Thanks for checking.


I would check if I could but my DVR+ hasn't arrived yet (it's due on Wed but with the sub-zero weather here I'm not sure I can count on that).

post #810 of 3069
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Originally Posted by pcnetwrx View Post

I am not an owner of the DVR+ nor am I about to be. But at the behest of another member here, I am posting this so that people can think about this before taking the plunge into ChannelMaster's new product. I was a fairly early adopter of the CM-7400 and was satisfied enough with it that I continue to use it today. But I found out that CM will no longer provide the premium guide for it after just two years of the CM-7400 coming out, making it largely useless since PSIP guide data is problematic in the unit. I had expected to get far more than two years of service from this unit, and to be abandoned like that has really ticked me off at CM. Paying $400 for the unit and additional for an expanded hard drive, only to have it become not much more than a doorstop in 2 years is not my idea of a good investment in equipment. It makes TiVO look like a bargain from that standpoint.

All of that to say, that the DVR+ will only be as good as the guide data that it uses. If CM is not willing to commit to a minimum of 5 years of guide data, they certainly won't be seeing any more of my dollars for their equipment, and I doubt that they ever will, even with a commitment since they burned me already. Anyway, it's something to think about on whether CM has the track record to earn your business on this new model. Forewarned is forearmed.

I think that if you were to talk to Channel Master, and they were candid, they would tell you that the CM-7400 was for the most part a disaster. Why did the guide go away? Because there wasn't enough demand for it to pay for it, and the CM-7400, which had all kinds of other problems wasn't worth supporting. So far, from the comments here the CM-7500 (DVR+) looks to be closer in performance to the CM-7000pal (which you would expect since it's a EchoStar product). Will the Rovi guide always be there? Always is a long time. I mean, ATSC 3.0 is scheduled to come out in 2020 and that will boat anchor ATSC 1.0 tuners anyway. So, we're buying for the short term at best anyway. One of my big wishes for a new generation product was subscription free guide data, after all I'm trying to get rid of fees, not add additional costs that I have to keep track of.
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