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post #91 of 3174
I doubt the status of the guide will make much difference. If the K77 has a TiVo-style guide, it will probably cost just about as much, in which case you might as well just buy a TiVo. There isn't much of a market for TiVo alternatives in the first place, because the main people looking for something else want a subscription-free (or perhaps more accurately, a "cord"-free) device.

There are different requirements to qualify as a TiVo alternative vs a TiVo competitor. All the K77 needs to do to be an alternative is offer bug-free software that enables reliable time-based recording. Such a unit would satisfy most of the enthusiasts here who are looking for a non-TiVo DVR, as well as the Joe Sixpacks who want to replace their VCRs with something from Best Buy or Walmart. If the K77 wants to compete with TiVo, then it needs to offer a paid guide that would enable name-based recording, which would put it in a different league.

I'm really not sure how such a unit would fare, though, because there doesn't seem to be a whole lot for another DVR maker to do to differentiate itself from TiVo. The VCR market was vibrant enough to enable multiple companies to produce essentially the same product, but TiVo has such a stranglehold on the DVR market that I doubt there's room for competition, especially with most DVRs being provided by cable and satellite companies automatically.
post #92 of 3174
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I doubt the status of the guide will make much difference. If the K77 has a TiVo-style guide, it will probably cost just about as much, in which case you might as well just buy a TiVo. There isn't much of a market for TiVo alternatives in the first place, because the main people looking for something else want a subscription-free (or perhaps more accurately, a "cord"-free) device.
I don't think this is true. I had cable and dish for decades before cutting the cord. I looked at TiVo off and on throughout. For me, the features were not worth the premium. I don't want to pay a box to find stuff I like and only record new episodes. In fact, I prefer to record and watch blocks of television.
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

There are different requirements to qualify as a TiVo alternative vs a TiVo competitor. All the K77 needs to do to be an alternative is offer bug-free software that enables reliable time-based recording. Such a unit would satisfy most of the enthusiasts here who are looking for a non-TiVo DVR, as well as the Joe Sixpacks who want to replace their VCRs with something from Best Buy or Walmart.
I agree with this.
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

If the K77 wants to compete with TiVo, then it needs to offer a paid guide that would enable name-based recording, which would put it in a different league.
I don't agree with this. How about this: If the K77 wants to compete with TiVo for users who demand a paid guide and name-based encoding, then it needs to offer a paid guide that would enable name-based recording. If CM/ES wants to give TiVo fits, they offer a premium guide with smart recording for a monthly/lifetime subscription on the same hardware. Give people the option of upgrading or cutting costs.
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I'm really not sure how such a unit would fare, though, because there doesn't seem to be a whole lot for another DVR maker to do to differentiate itself from TiVo. The VCR market was vibrant enough to enable multiple companies to produce essentially the same product, but TiVo has such a stranglehold on the DVR market that I doubt there's room for competition, especially with most DVRs being provided by cable and satellite companies automatically.
Tivo's subscriber base is 3.62 million. That's a following, not market share. I doubt any cable provider has fewer units in the field -- more people are without CBS this month than subscribe to TiVo.

The reason for that is that no product has gotten it right.

TiVo is only marginally profitable. They cannot afford to dramatically improve or discount their product.

Getting back to the CM K77, I first heard about this from an EchoStar marketing person nearly a year ago. She told me that not a day goes by when people are not talking about returning to OTA. I would bet a lot of those conversations were about the market and the competition. Few argue about the quality of the DTVPal DVR. It came out at the wrong time, without fully debugged software, and without a good marketing campaign. All that experience and thinking should deliver something special.
post #93 of 3174
So, any NEW news about the CM K77? Pictures, price, release date? Anything?
post #94 of 3174
If they are still expecting an end of year/Christmas release, they need to come forth soon with some introductory specs and details. It is now October. Right now, TiVo Roamio has gotten a jump start on them. And Roamio has gotten good reviews and apparently has a very good tuner. The pricing option is holding me back so far, and I want to wait on the Channel Master to come out with the K-77. But they need to hurry up. Getting impatient here. But will try to be patient if hopefully they are getting all the bugs worked out and don't rush to market an inferior product.
post #95 of 3174

I hope they roll this out soon.  I am holding off purchasing a TIVO Roamio until this one releases and I see the full list of features to compare against the Roamio.  I am curious about the streaming options.  For the K77 they only mentioned Vudu and Pandora, but I watch Netflix and Amazon Prime Streaming and would like them to be included to make this a all-in-one option.  The EPG is very important to me as well. TIVO's EPG is excellent so I hope the K77 is as well developed and user friendly. 

post #96 of 3174
Anyone waiting to see the K77's feature list before buying a TiVo should go ahead and buy the TiVo. There is no way that CM will even come close to matching TiVo on features. The DTVPal/CM-7000 Pal are relatively polished DVRs compared to many of their competitors, but they're still in a completely different league than TiVo, because they're aimed at a different market. The fact that there have been no updates on the K77's status also doesn't bode well for it having a timely release.
post #97 of 3174
The Roamio reportedly has a very good tuner, which is very important. Better than the Premiere. So I would like to see how the K77 tuner will compare.
post #98 of 3174
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All the K77 needs to do to be an alternative is offer bug-free software that enables reliable time-based recording.
I wonder if this is even achievable. wink.gif
post #99 of 3174
it was approved by the fcc today well the article is dated today i guess it was the 30th of september
http://www.tvtechnology.com/distribution/0099/echostar-gets-approval-for-analog-tuner-less-dvr-/221731
Edited by jxg0754 - 10/7/13 at 8:47pm
post #100 of 3174
Well, at least that indicates that the DVR actually exists... or at least plans for it do... somewhere.
post #101 of 3174
1 EchoStar Petition at 1. EchoStar seeks a waiver for two variants of the K77 device. Model CM-7500GB16 is
Flash memory-based with 16 gigabytes (“GB”) of memory, but no internal hard drive. DVR capability can be added
through the attachment of an external USB hard drive. Model CM-7500TB1 includes a 1 terabyte (“TB”) hard
drive. See EchoStar Petition at 2, n.2; Letter from Neil A. Chilson, Counsel to EchoStar, to Marlene H. Dortch,
Secretary, FCC, at 1, n.2 (Aug. 15, 2013) (”EchoStar/Channel Master Ex Parte”).


2 See 47 C.F.R. § 15.117(b). Pursuant to this provision, TV broadcast receivers must currently be capable of
receiving both analog and digital broadcast signals. This Order grants a waiver of the National Television System
Committee (“NTSC”) analog broadcasting standard, which low-power, Class A, and translator over-the-air stations
(collectively, “low power television stations”) that have not already gone all-digital are permitted to use until
September 1, 2015, the date set for the termination of all analog low power television service and the completion of
the digital transition. Digital broadcasters use the Advanced Television Systems Committee (“ATSC”) broadcasting
standard.

CM-7500TB1 is what I want asap
post #102 of 3174
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CM-7500TB1 is what I want asap
Interesting you can say that knowing nothing about the device other than it should have a 1TB drive.
post #103 of 3174
You made a very good point. Since I own a CM-7000PAL, I'm thinking that they will take all of it's good features and add in new ones.
I hope for name based recording and four tuners. Am I asking too much?
post #104 of 3174
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You made a very good point. Since I own a CM-7000PAL, I'm thinking that they will take all of it's good features and add in new ones.
I hope for name based recording and four tuners. Am I asking too much?
Not at all. You can buy a TiVo Roamio and get all that now -- and be assured it will work out of the box and receive regular firmware updates.
post #105 of 3174
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Well, at least that indicates that the DVR actually exists... or at least plans for it do... somewhere.

I just noticed the countdown timer on Channel Master's website: http://www.channelmaster.com -- less than 12 days to go until they hopefully unveil the K77.
post #106 of 3174
It's not exactly clear to me what that timer is counting down for.
post #107 of 3174
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

It's not exactly clear to me what that timer is counting down for.

I'm just going on the fact that the big plus sign next to the countdown widget takes you to their DVR page. That and in their FCC analog tuner waiver request they mention a target launch date of Fall 2013... Wishful thinking on my part, but I guess we'll find out more in 12 days.
post #108 of 3174
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

It's not exactly clear to me what that timer is counting down for.

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Originally Posted by dandiego View Post

I'm just going on the fact that the big plus sign next to the countdown widget takes you to their DVR page. That and in their FCC analog tuner waiver request they mention a target launch date of Fall 2013... Wishful thinking on my part, but I guess we'll find out more in 12 days.
It takes you to a page for the CM-7400. Below the picture of the DVR it says, "The CM-7400 is discontinued and will be replaced with a new DVR coming soon.
Enter your email below to sign up for our newsletter to be the first to receive exclusive information and pre-order offers on our new DVR!"
It's looking pretty obvious what's coming in ten days.
post #109 of 3174
Countdown timer has now gone bye-bye lol.....
post #110 of 3174
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Countdown timer has now gone bye-bye lol.....
I guess that may qualify as a product delay?
Perhaps the timer will re-appear but this time count up.
post #111 of 3174
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Countdown timer has now gone bye-bye lol.....
Grrr!!! confused.gif
post #112 of 3174
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I guess that may qualify as a product delay?
Perhaps the timer will re-appear but this time count up.

Some communication, any communication really, from Channel Master would be nice at this point.
post #113 of 3174
There are unsubstantiated rumors speculating that the K77 is soon to be released in December. Perhaps an official announcement by Channel Master will soon be forthcoming.
post #114 of 3174
Channel Master CM-7500
I have come across some information about the upcoming K-77 (CM-7500). The source was a cold contact; unknown to me so I cannot vouch for how they know what they know. However, after repeated communications I am convinced about their credibility and the validity of the information I'm receiving. So, I post the information here and will update it as more comes in that I'm allowed to post. You can treat it as you would any other "informed rumor", however I believe it to be factual.

Model name = CM-7500
Projected released date 12/2/2013 (in reality, probably not until Q1 2014)
Keep an eye on the Channel Master Store Web site.
A purchase list of the CM-7500 and accessories appeared briefly on the CM-store web-site. When they realized it was there they took it down, however wiscojim had the foresight to archive it and posted a copy of the page here.

There are two models being proposed:
  • Low end with 16GB internal storage and no HDD (CM-7500GB16, $250)
  • Other model with internal HDD; size TBD (CM-7500GB320)
  • Both models accept an external USB HDD to expand storage -- at least 3TB
  • The CM-7500GB16 will be released first

Common to both models:
  • 1 ethernet port
    2 USB ports (all on rear)
  • wireless adapter can be separately purchased and used in a USB port.
  • IR extender can be purchased to allow hiding the CM-7500
  • Two ATSC tuners for OTA-HDTV
  • No clear QAM tuners, no cable card -- that is definite
  • PSIP guide if not connected to Internet
  • 14 day guide service (Rovi) from Internet - no information, yet, on whether it is free or yearly subscription
  • Support for Internet streaming services
    Only supported streaming service, so far = VuDu -- likely that more will be added before release

OS = Linux
  • An external HDD is formatted when it is plugged in
  • Unknown if external HDD can be read by a Linux box or a PC with a Linux file system driver
  • Recording file format is unknown and whether or not they are encrypted or can be played by external players
  • Unknown if recordings can be transferred off the external HDD


The Rovi guide has me scratching my head -- I didn't think their Internet guide for HDTV's went much beyond 3 days. This must be something different.

So far it looks to me this is more similar to the original DTV Pal DVR/CM-7000 than the CM-7400
Edited by Kelson - 11/21/13 at 6:26am
post #115 of 3174
Since the new Channel Master 7500 is developed by EchoStar, it should be more similar to the CM-7000/DTVPal. The 7400 was made by Entone, a different manufacturer, and had a problematic tuner. I hope the new CM-7500 has a good tuner like the CM-7000. Perhaps this anonymous source is a beta tester with some credibility, or a Channel Master employee testing an early production model of this box. Hopefully this means an upcoming December release. I hope to hear good reports regarding tuner sensitivity and performance.
post #116 of 3174
The other issue I want to know about is thermal management.
post #117 of 3174
I think they may be using this;

post #118 of 3174
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The other issue I want to know about is thermal management.
Yes, important concern. The 7400 ran too hot and overheated. But the 7000 did not. Hopefully the 7500 will not have this problem.
post #119 of 3174
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I think they may be using this;

Is that a CPU heat sink and cooling fan?
post #120 of 3174
Yes. I just did a quick search. I was going to look for one of those water cooled systems, but that would be a little too much.
BTW, I don't overclock. The stuff runs hot enough as it is. wink.gif
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