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Nuvo Grand Concerto: Where to Buy ?

post #1 of 17
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Hi All

I am constructing a new home and am planning to install an Nuvo GC system. The build is nearing completing and am now starting to look for store to purchase the GC system (package with 6-keypads: PN: NV-I8GMS) and the Music Port Server Elite ( NV-MPS4-E). Live in the South Bay Area (Norcal). Understand that Nuvo policy requires the stores to advertise MSRP but stores are typically are willing to discount. Any good recommendations of where to buy ?
post #2 of 17
I'd start with HomeTech, which has a storefront in Cupertino...

http://www.hometech.com/
post #3 of 17
I think you're stuck paying MSRP, unless you become a pro.
post #4 of 17
Be careful that you obtain the programming software when you purchase the hardware.

Nuvo used to have a policy of not allowing anyone but a certified installer purchase the software, making the amplifier only useful for keeping a boat in one place (may have changed now) to a DIYer.
post #5 of 17
Any recommendations if purchasing in the Los Angeles area?
post #6 of 17
Call Nuvo. They would be very happy to set you up with someone local, and they can tell you where to get it online.

Good point about the programming software - make sure you can get it before buying hardware.

Striking a deal with a local installer may be an option, but make sure you have the sw.

Someone said not too long ago that the Nuvo GC sw did not have a EULA, and was free to distribute. Not sure if that's true, but might be something to ask Nuvo.
post #7 of 17
Is there anything new on the market that compares to the grand concerto?

Seems like very few posts on here lately? Maybe it's been beat to death...but I haven't seen much about anyone trying to run towers or bookshelf using the grand concerto/ external amp.
I'm looking to learn how I would go about doing it...as well as using a passive sub in the mix...any insight would b great.
Thanks
post #8 of 17
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Is there anything new on the market that compares to the grand concerto?

Not directly. NuVo added a high-power (200W/ch) version of their 3-zone streamer to the mix (model P3500), but still no keypad support like the GC.
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Seems like very few posts on here lately? Maybe it's been beat to death...but I haven't seen much about anyone trying to run towers or bookshelf using the grand concerto/ external amp.

That's simply a matter of connecting them, so I wouldn't expect many questions on that...
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I'm looking to learn how I would go about doing it...as well as using a passive sub in the mix...any insight would b great.

I'm running a passive sub on my outdoor zone - using the variable line output from that zone to run to the subwoofer amp. I do the same thing with an active sub in my game room zone, too. Connected that output using cat5e and a MuxLab audio balun.

Jeff
post #9 of 17
Haven't figured the quote action...

P3500 could be a viable option. Have you heard any word that they may be integrating with key pads in the future?

I wasn't sure if zones 1-6 could actually be amped externally. But now I understand the line out. Thanks

Is there a more cost effective way of getting more power to speakers other than adding a single amp to each separate zone?

I'm not too audio savvy, so excuse me if this is totally off the wall, but,
could you hook up a 12 channel amp to zones 1 thru 6 and still have independent zone control?

If you use line out, for an amp or a sub let's say, will you still have access to the 80w of power in that zone's channel?

If you were going to use both a passive sub and an amp to power speakers in the same zone how would you go about wiring this?

Thanks for kinda schooling me here, I have read through a lot of your posts and have picked up tons of great info....cheers
-if you need and info regarding oil field diving...I'm your guy ;-)
post #10 of 17
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P3500 could be a viable option. Have you heard any word that they may be integrating with key pads in the future?

I've suggested it myself to them several times, but no word on when or if they will do it.

The fact that Russound has done that on their streaming unit (shipping soon?) might push them in that direction, though, hopefully.
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Is there a more cost effective way of getting more power to speakers other than adding a single amp to each separate zone?

Not really. How many zones are you expecting to need more power than normal? If anything, use zones 1-6 for most rooms, and use 7-8 for the "large" spaces, since those need external amps anyway.
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I'm not too audio savvy, so excuse me if this is totally off the wall, but,
could you hook up a 12 channel amp to zones 1 thru 6 and still have independent zone control?

Yes, but you'd have to get a very large amp to significantly improve the performance. Why do you think you need so much power per zone? 40W/channel is quite a bit for these types of systems...
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If you use line out, for an amp or a sub let's say, will you still have access to the 80w of power in that zone's channel?

Yes.
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If you were going to use both a passive sub and an amp to power speakers in the same zone how would you go about wiring this?

Depends on the sub, but for pre-wiring I would run two 4-conductor speaker cables and a RG59 from the system location to the sub's location. That will cover all cases.
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if you need and info regarding oil field diving...I'm your guy ;-)

Thanks, but I'm in Houston. I have a guy for that. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
post #11 of 17
Maybe I went a bit overboard in my need for power, but I just didn't want to find myself under powered when it came time to rock the house ;-)

This is what I have in mind. Full paradigm speaker setup.

Zone 1- future setup
Zone 2- outdoor speakers
Zone 3- studio 20's, possible passive sub
Zone 4- studio 10's or in ceilings.
Zone 5- line out to HT setup
Zone 6- studio 20's
Zone 7- studio 60's possible passive sub.
Zone 8- studio 100's, passive sub, passive crossover. Future expansion to a 7.1 system utilizing the line out.

So without a doubt the 60's and 100's require additional amplification.

With the 20's I'm not really sure how they will go with 40w/ch....care to speculate?

I think the 10's will b fine on GC power.

When using a passive sub. Will I be using the subs internal amp to run the speakers out as well?

I'm going To look into this RG59
post #12 of 17
How is the user interface with the p3500?
post #13 of 17
This p3500 still requires the music port server correct?
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by diverb View Post

Maybe I went a bit overboard in my need for power, but I just didn't want to find myself under powered when it came time to rock the house ;-)

This is what I have in mind. Full paradigm speaker setup.

Zone 1- future setup
Zone 2- outdoor speakers
Zone 3- studio 20's, possible passive sub
Zone 4- studio 10's or in ceilings.
Zone 5- line out to HT setup
Zone 6- studio 20's
Zone 7- studio 60's possible passive sub.
Zone 8- studio 100's, passive sub, passive crossover. Future expansion to a 7.1 system utilizing the line out.

So without a doubt the 60's and 100's require additional amplification.

With the 20's I'm not really sure how they will go with 40w/ch....care to speculate?

With that list of equipment I think you might be expecting too much out of a WHA system... If you're hooking up $1k/pair speakers to these systems, your expectations may be out of alignment with what the WHA systems are intended for...
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When using a passive sub. Will I be using the subs internal amp to run the speakers out as well?

You can.
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I'm going To look into this RG59

It's "coax"...
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How is the user interface with the p3500?

It's the same as the P3100 and the P100/200 wireless zone players. Similar in form / function to the Sonos and others.
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Originally Posted by diverb View Post

This p3500 still requires the music port server correct?

No, the P3500 is a self-contained 3-zone streamer. See the P100/P200 for the single-zone versions, which compare to the Sonos Connect:Amp.

Jeff
post #15 of 17
Hmm expecting too much eh.
Ok.
I was just really stoked on the idea of having access to internet radio and my iTunes. I really liked all the features that these systems offer.

I guess I need a multiple room hifi and perhaps there just isn't the demand.

Is there anything that you could recommend that might be able to satisfy my build?

It would be a shame to have to build an independant system in each room.
post #16 of 17
Well, the new NuVo P3500 units are 100W/channel - it's when you start talking about 5.1/7.1 in the mix, or connecting "expensive" speakers to a modest 20-40W/ch WHA system that gives me pause on recommending that... For my primary listening system I do have the WHA line out connected for consistency, but I have a dedicated streamer for that zone as well.
post #17 of 17
I guess I haven't got a good grasp on how the signals are effected.

Essentially what I would b making the grand concerto, is just a way to have a centrally located device that is capable of streaming music to all speakers anywhere in the house.

I was more thinking that once I line out to a quality 7.1 or a well powered amp that the quality could b as great as the component.

I didn't really take into account that all audio has to go from say, a music port to the GC and out. At which point the signal would b degraded.

I am truly lost now on how i am going to make this happen

I'm glad we were able to talk through this.

I appreciate your feedback
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