Originally Posted by Nevcairiel
The HTPC board on AVS has long lost the S in AVS, these days its usually just users asking setup questions and "whats best" threads full of claims and no science to back them up. This is also why the "true AVSers" have left, in addition to the horrible forum software.
You might be right to some extent but there is not always going to be science available for everything and if you left the conversation to be purely scientific it would scare away a lot more folks by being boring and hard to understand IMO.
I think your right, and your talking in my direction
and I can even admit I am guilty too
but how would you suggest improving it? My offense is when I read BS crap I don't believe to be true. Just because there is no "science" to support my belief doesn't mean my belief is wrong. Example: You said 5400rpm slower speed drives last longer, I said 7200rpm drives are more reliable- we disagree. No science exists in either direction so who is right ? It's a lot easier to ask for science than provide it, and that is where the offense I take is. Nothing wrong with science- but, asking for it when it doesn't exist only to support some other BS idea/opinion that no science supports either is hypocritical IMO.
There is always going to be areas of discussion that folks don't agree on, and that no scientific evidence exists or clearly supports on way or the other. These are sometimes the most fun, controversial, and active threads- and often there is good information brought to light by a variety of great posters in a great community. I think the community and the understanding of the knowledge both benefit in the long run from such posts- the important thing is just to behave nicely to each other when you disagree. It's easy when you get passionate to error in such matters.
There is nothing wrong with having an opinion either
You make it seem like a bad thing. I disagree that the "true AVSers" have left. <-- [opinion]
There is also nothing wrong with asking "what's best" - that's long been a staple product around here with asking for advice on PC hardware to build a PC or Media Server. You might be bored from it, but there is nothing wrong with that and it certainly does not make the forum a bad place. Perhaps your better off just reading technical white papers ???
That just seems to less fun to me
Originally Posted by assassin
I agree. Also some of these same posters appear to get irritated when you ask them to provide proof or data and instead tell you that it's "true" because it's "common sense" or more-often-than-not because "I said so".
If that's not the exact opposite of what a science forum is supposed to be then I don't know what is. For sure it's a turn off compared to what avs was like just a few years ago.
And the forum software is atrocious as well.
See my comments above^
If I could suddenly waive a magic wand and transform this forum into what your saying I have a feeling that traffic would slow down even more, and there would be fewer posters. There is only so much science that can be applied to basic stuff. It's great when it's presented but it's not something that everyone can participate in or that can be provided very easily and very often. If this really turned into a science only forum it would be completely stagnant and boring IMO.
There needs to be opinion and discussion and ordinary chatter to make stuff more exciting. I too will take all the science I can get too, but when it doesn't exist it simply doesn't exist. Asking for it when it is in all practicality impossible to obtain or unlikely to exist only as a tool to support a BS opinion over another BS opinion is a dirty tactic and no more right or wrong than stating an opinion as a fact. It's as intentionally deceptive and confusing to a casual reader as stating an opinion without any science as a fact, and possibly much more so. Shame on those who do it. It's no more right or wrong.
Pointing out there is no science behind something is fine- but twisting that to support another opinion that has just as little science behind it is not. There is either science- or there is not. If there is science then present it and rest happily in that your right and science proves you are. If there is not, then I think there is room for some opinion. You make it seem like only science is important and should be posted and there is no room for personal opinion. There is always room for personal opinion, just as there is always room for scientific facts. You need both to make a good forum work.