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post #421 of 561
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

Better yet, take the entire Kartrashian crew out to an island and leave them there.

I'm happy to report that I have never watched an episode .. but I'm sure if the whole clan was left on an island, some new clan would be fabricated in order to satisfy the percentage of the population at large that apparently actually likes this kind of thing .. whatever that thing is anyway .. wink.gif
post #422 of 561
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I think it was a big mistake, but he had to have had good reasons .. Hayden and Caleb had turned and Tyson knew it .. as well, I'm sure Tyson wondered about Ciera since she turned on her own Mom .. yet, Ciera held true to her word .. Ciera scored some real loyalty point with her move, but I don't think it's going to do her any good .. Hayden based on the preview looks like he's going to throw down against Tyson, which likely means nothing since the preview is always just a tease ..

Ciera has become a contender .. if she lasts till Final 3, she'll have the vote from her Mom and Tina, assuming one does not get back in the game .. if Laura gets back in the game, Ciera will then gain a big boost that could tilt the game .. if Laura ends up on the Jury, we know she'll vote for Ciera at the final .. if Tina goes to Jury, after Laura helped her do the puzzle, Tina will vote for Ciera or Laura and who knows about Aras / Vytas .. there are any number of outcomes here, which is great at this point, IMO ..

I'd say Tysons best move is to try and take Hayden and Katie to the Final and he's a lock to win .. But at this point, Redemption is the wildcard ..

I can't believe I'm saying this, but in this Season, Redemption is adding a great twist to the game ..

And this has shaped up to be one of the best seasons in a while ..
So you have come over to the Darkside as far as RI goes. It actually has been an entertaining season with a lack of crazy drama and interesting game play because of the Blood v. Water casting. I'm not sure what to make of Ciera's game. I suppose she feels she might win as a newbie with a combination of Tyson, Monica or Gervase in an F3. However, she went against the people who saved her pre-merge and kept her in the game, so it is hard to say what her standing is with Hayden and Caleb. I'm still unsure about Monica's chances in the finals if she gets there. She could pull it out but we never see much that is positive about her except for her challenge wins so I am skeptical of her chances to win a jury victory. As far as the wealth of various competitors goes I personally don't care about that. I just want to see good competition. it does affect contestants though because we have seen many of them lie about their backgrounds to hide their financial situation. The end game is pretty interesting with the RI wildcard and all the relations on the jury.
post #423 of 561
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Better yet, take the entire Kartrashian crew out to an island and leave them there.

I'm really scared that we'll see a season with the entire Hans family. Blood vs d-bags.
post #424 of 561
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I'm really scared that we'll see a season with the entire Hans family. Blood vs d-bags.
Hantz... http://survivor.wikia.com/wiki/Russell_Hantz
post #425 of 561
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On Survivor you don't win a million dollars you largely earn it. And if you think a (only one) millionaire can't improve their life with another you're being silly. smile.gif  

The amount that one can improve their life that does not already have a million dollars is a massive order of magnitude more then a existing millionaire, thus someone who does not have a million dollars should win the prize.
post #426 of 561
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The amount that one can improve their life that does not already have a million dollars is a massive order of magnitude more then a existing millionaire, thus someone who does not have a million dollars should win the prize.

does $999,999 count .. wink.gif

Seriously though .. I'd much rather see a smart millionaire that plays the game well win than a pauper buffoon ..
post #427 of 561
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So you have come over to the Darkside as far as RI goes. It actually has been an entertaining season with a lack of crazy drama and interesting game play because of the Blood v. Water casting. I'm not sure what to make of Ciera's game. I suppose she feels she might win as a newbie with a combination of Tyson, Monica or Gervase in an F3. However, she went against the people who saved her pre-merge and kept her in the game, so it is hard to say what her standing is with Hayden and Caleb. I'm still unsure about Monica's chances in the finals if she gets there. She could pull it out but we never see much that is positive about her except for her challenge wins so I am skeptical of her chances to win a jury victory. As far as the wealth of various competitors goes I personally don't care about that. I just want to see good competition. it does affect contestants though because we have seen many of them lie about their backgrounds to hide their financial situation. The end game is pretty interesting with the RI wildcard and all the relations on the jury.

Yep, the Darkside has sucked me in at last .. wink.gif

I think what I find appealing right now is the long list of possibilities that remain this late in the game ..
post #428 of 561
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The amount that one can improve their life that does not already have a million dollars is a massive order of magnitude more then a existing millionaire, thus someone who does not have a million dollars should win the prize.

 

I presume you speak from experience? A million isn't what it used to be... especially after taxes. Just ask Richard Hatch. :)

 

Let's cancel the show... and give the money to someone who blew their millions they won via the lottery.

 

With this logic any contest (involving money) should go to the poorest contestant. Makes perfect sense.

post #429 of 561
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With this logic any contest (involving money) should go to the poorest contestant. Makes perfect sense.

Your definition of logic and mine differ by a rather large margin. wink.gif
post #430 of 561
I hope Monica doesn't win (and doesn't make the final jury) not because she has money but because I find her unlikeable.

There have been seasons in the past where I've wanted folks with money (Russell H, Yul (?), someone else who I am forgetting who hid their wealth) to win because I truly believed they played the best game.

My favorite would be someone to win it and also win fan favorite 100K and then on the Reunion show, be pompous by putting down the other contestants, the audience, the fans for voting for him/her, etc. Yeah, I was a big fan of Russell, Johnny Fairplay, etc. I also enjoyed professional wrestling as a youth so...
post #431 of 561
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The amount that one can improve their life that does not already have a million dollars is a massive order of magnitude more then a existing millionaire, thus someone who does not have a million dollars should win the prize.

This could only POSSIBLY factor into who I want to win if I like 2 contestants basically the same and felt they played equally good games. But even then, who is to say the poorer contestant doesn't use it on hookers and blow while the richer contestant does something altruistic with it.
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I presume you speak from experience? A million isn't what it used to be... especially after taxes. Just ask Richard Hatch. smile.gif

Let's cancel the show... and give the money to someone who blew their millions they won via the lottery.

With this logic any contest (involving money) should go to the poorest contestant. Makes perfect sense.

Agreed, there is a reason why a large percentage of lottery winners and professional athletes end up broke. No idea how to manage a sudden windfall. I think it is very faulty to assume the money would go to better use.
Edited by djb5f - 12/2/13 at 2:08pm
post #432 of 561
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I hope Monica doesn't win (and doesn't make the final jury) not because she has money but because I find her unlikeable.

And I was beginning to think I was the only one.
post #433 of 561
Great Survivor, credit to Hayden for really selling it to Ciera during Tribal Council. Dangerous move by Ciera but she figured the shorter term risk is worth the chance for longer term win. But with Gervais having the immunity, I am thinking she probably didn't realize that it was a 2-in-3 chance her new alliance would be on short end he when she made the flip on the first vote.

Also the drawing rocks tiebreaker. I don't understand when they use that and when they use a fire-starting challenge. Is my memory faulty or did that decide some tribal deadlocks? Maybe since they were down to 4 people in the case I remember?
post #434 of 561
Isn't the fire starting at the final TC?

On another note, Hayden better win immunity next week.
post #435 of 561
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Isn't the fire starting at the final TC?

On another note, Hayden better win immunity next week.
True on both ... fun tribal, bad luck on the draw though for Katie, Hayden and Cierra.
post #436 of 561
Good job Tyson, RUSSEL the leaves?
post #437 of 561
Kind of torn on if Ciera (sp?) did the right thing at tribal. She was guaranteed 4 where she could then try to compete for immunity, but by throwing in with Hayden she put her fate up to the pick and now is definitely out no matter what.
post #438 of 561
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Good job Tyson, RUSSEL the leaves?
Rustle leaves, ruffle feathers. smile.gif
post #439 of 561
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Kind of torn on if Ciera (sp?) did the right thing at tribal. She was guaranteed 4 where she could then try to compete for immunity, but by throwing in with Hayden she put her fate up to the pick and now is definitely out no matter what.

Pretty sure she did wrong thing mathematically as odds were against her with the rocks. Also, both Tyson and Gervais are going to find it very hard to get votes at the end. The reactions of the jurors to them are very obviously negative and it's not the the people currently on RI like them either. Tyson WAS playing a good game but us failing at the social part, and comments to Katie about her seat being over there (on jury) don't help.

I was kind of glad that Katie got sent packing though. She freeloaded long enough and it was funny when Jeff called her out about not being involved and just along for the ride. She would be a danger to win it just b/c she is friends with some on jury, not for playing the game. Those are the worst finals IMO.
post #440 of 561
Yea, not a well calculated move on Ciera's part, bad odds. Now she's got a target on her back.
post #441 of 561
I know it's only happened twice in Survivor history, but why do the ones who were tied for the votes not have to draw the rocks? Instead, the ones who voted draw the rocks and they are the ones put in Jeopardy (oh, wait... that's a different show smile.gif ).
post #442 of 561
To most (myself included), Hayden looks and acts like a meathead, but he did win Big Brother and he was able to convince Ciera to flip at Tribal Council. But he's in a big hole and the immunity challenges don't play to his strengths, so unless he can convince Monica that she's also outside of the Tyson-Gervase bromance, his time is short. It wasn't necessary or wasn't shown, but Hayden should have brought up who Gervase picked for the Ice cream reward to convince Ciera that she was last on her 4 person alliance.
post #443 of 561
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To most (myself included), Hayden looks and acts like a meathead, but he did win Big Brother and he was able to convince Ciera to flip at Tribal Council. But he's in a big hole and the immunity challenges don't play to his strengths, so unless he can convince Monica that she's also outside of the Tyson-Gervase bromance, his time is short. It wasn't necessary or wasn't shown, but Hayden should have brought up who Gervase picked for the Ice cream reward to convince Ciera that she was last on her 4 person alliance.

The preview for next week did show Hayden working on Monica . . .
post #444 of 561
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Kind of torn on if Ciera (sp?) did the right thing at tribal. She was guaranteed 4 where she could then try to compete for immunity, but by throwing in with Hayden she put her fate up to the pick and now is definitely out no matter what.

I'm not torn at all .. she made a stupid move .. she was solid with her alliance, she was practically guaranteed a spot in the final 4 .. maybe she is convinced Mom will come back from Redemption .. ??

Tyson has the Idol .. unless something strange happens, he will be at the final 3 ..
post #445 of 561
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

To most (myself included), Hayden looks and acts like a meathead, but he did win Big Brother and he was able to convince Ciera to flip at Tribal Council. But he's in a big hole and the immunity challenges don't play to his strengths, so unless he can convince Monica that she's also outside of the Tyson-Gervase bromance, his time is short. It wasn't necessary or wasn't shown, but Hayden should have brought up who Gervase picked for the Ice cream reward to convince Ciera that she was last on her 4 person alliance.

The picking of the Reward recipients was mentioned to Ciera ..
post #446 of 561
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I know it's only happened twice in Survivor history, but why do the ones who were tied for the votes not have to draw the rocks? Instead, the ones who voted draw the rocks and they are the ones put in Jeopardy (oh, wait... that's a different show smile.gif ).

That's intentional to encourage them to avoid a deadlock and I think it is wise to do it that way. Don't want it coming down to rocks. We've seen people flip on the 2nd vote before.

By not having the two people that were voted on, that ups the risk of the others voting and may force their hand to avoid rocks.
Edited by djb5f - 12/5/13 at 8:05am
post #447 of 561
They're going to keep underestimating Hayden right into the finals.
post #448 of 561
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I'm not torn at all .. she made a stupid move .. she was solid with her alliance, she was practically guaranteed a spot in the final 4 .. maybe she is convinced Mom will come back from Redemption .. ??

Tyson has the Idol .. unless something strange happens, he will be at the final 3 ..

Hayden somehow convinced her that Tyson was a lock to win (very wrong) and that she needed to make a major move to get votes (wrong). Ciera is doing her best to play the game but she is naive.

Hope Hayden wins, he has a good all-around game. I understand why he won Big Brother.

If it is down to Monica, Tyson, and Gervais, Monica might win, not because the jury likes her or her gameplay but that she is lesser of 3 perceived evils.
post #449 of 561
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Myself, I don't think Hayden has played any game at all .. until now when he decides to throw down .. and Tyson remained relatively cool throughout the whole episode ..

Many, if not most of you may disagree with me here, but Tyson has played the best game out of all this Season .. and I think if he can hold on till Final, the Jury will vote his way .. he has a compelling case and it is Survivor where Juries tend to reward what they know is good play .. the flip floppers like Caleb bought their own fate and just don't want to admit it ..

This late in the Game, betraying your Alliance in front of the Jury will make it very difficult for Ciera to win if she does make it to Final ..

I believe she convinced herself this was some type of bold move and went with Hayden .. an emotional move, not a rational move ..

Of course, Redemption is still the wildcard here ..

It's going to be an interesting next 2 weeks .. and like I said earlier, I think this has been one of the best seasons in a while ..
post #450 of 561
I thought Hayden did well last episode too, trying to play up how Ciera was playing both sides. I like Tyson's game but it is unfortunate that socially he's come up short. It was obvious that he jury did not like him nor does any of the three on Redemption Island.

He can't allow Ciera or Hayden to get in the final. His only chance is with Monica and Gervais.
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