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post #31 of 45
I already ordered the FlexiWhite material from Carl's Place the other day and should be in transit by now to NY and soon to the Philippines. Brighter screen is what I am after and can live with a so-so contrast. I have not properly calibrated the HD33, so hopefully contrast will improve after doing so.

@IUnknown, will take note of your method in stretching the screen. How did you attach the material to the frame? I am planning to attach the material on the back side stapled to the frame. But my concern is how to install a center-vertical brace so the frame won't buckle due to tension. Another way is to build a frame with center-vertical brace then staple the material up front, then make a frame (covered with velvet) and attach to the front of the screen/frame assembly. What is the best way to attach the velvet covered frame?

@MM,
My projector is about 13 ft (missed the calculation earlier) from the screen with the zoom almost max'ed out to project a 120" view. Does zooming cause a decrease in light output or perhaps picture quality? If so, then I will have to reduce the screen size to 110". Where can I get an RS-MaxxMudd Standard paint? Is this product available off the shelf?
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by weng2x View Post


@MM,
My projector is about 13 ft (missed the calculation earlier) from the screen with the zoom almost max'ed out to project a 120" view. Does zooming cause a decrease in light output or perhaps picture quality? If so, then I will have to reduce the screen size to 110". Where can I get an RS-MaxxMudd Standard paint? Is this product available off the shelf?

The act of zooming won't in and of itself, but the resulting screen size has much to do with Foot Lambert off screen, and if the image is "TOO BIG", then yes, image quality can...and will suffer.

120" diagonal w/your PJat a 13' throw is pretty much exempt from that concern though. However one should always try to place the PJ / select a screen size where at least a very small amount of Zoom is still available.

Nope...RS-MaxxMudd Standard is a purely "DIY Paint" that you get by combining a few different items. Read about it here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1319717/the-official-rs-maxxmudd-v-2-mix.
post #33 of 45
I'm going to reduce the screen size to 110". My wife also complained while seating in the front row that the screen was too big. I tried sitting on the 2nd row and I agree that it is more comfortable from there, my eyes was more relaxed viewing the whole screen from side to side.
Edited by weng2x - 9/16/13 at 1:20pm
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post


Nope...RS-MaxxMudd Standard is a purely "DIY Paint" that you get by combining a few different items. Read about it here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1319717/the-official-rs-maxxmudd-v-2-mix.

RS-MaxxMudd v.2.1 = Standard (am I correct?)

Are the links of the materials below correct? Sorry for the noob questions. Just want to make sure I order the correct material before shipping out of the USA.

Liquitex Basics Silver
http://www.amazon.com/Liquitex-Basics-Acrylics-Colors-silver/dp/B00DUIALHG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1379360043&sr=8-3&keywords=Liquitex+Basics+Silver

Rustoleom Metallic Accents - White Pearl
http://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-Metallic-253611-Decorative-32-Ounce/dp/B003EELN1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379361979&sr=8-1&keywords=rustoleum+metallic+accents+-+white+pearl

Behr 1850 Ultra Pure White - Flat = not available in Amazon but will ask the help of my relatives to get one for me. I can only use my non-US issued credit card in Amazon

Minwax PolyAcrylic Satin Finish
http://www.amazon.com/Minwax-23333-Polycrylic-Protective-Finishes/dp/B000C02AO2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379362083&sr=8-1&keywords=Minwax+PolyAcrylic+Satin+Finish

Are the paint recipe good for 1 screen only? I may need to get an extra quantities just in case I make mistakes. Shipping to my country via a slow boat will take at least 4-5 weeks.
Edited by weng2x - 9/16/13 at 2:43pm
post #35 of 45
It all looks good.

However I am sure you can get those materials delivered in under 6 working days via USPS Priority International Flat Rate. Also, Customs in most Countries pretty much wave such items on by when processed by USPS.

You need only to arrange for the materials to drop ship to someone in the US who can repackage them and send the along their way.
post #36 of 45
Moved my post to a new thread...
post #37 of 45
Got the screen from Carl's Place the other week but I kept it in the shipping box folded. Today, I already assembled and installed velvet on the wooden frame. But to my surprise this is what my screen material looked like after unpacking from the shipping box.





The horizontal and vertical folds will go away after stretching but the intersecting points are almost impossible to remove. Is there a remedy to this? Anyone had experience fixing the creases? I am very disappointed the way Carl's ship the material without any protection or cushion. The screen material was placed in a plastic bag and carton box so any weight placed on top of it during transit will press the material.
post #38 of 45
The "other week"? A prolonged time within the box can only work to "set" any folds more than a briefer time would allow, so perhaps that should at least take up a bit of the "blame" in this situation.

Have you actually tried to stretch the material across your frame? After doing so, it usually only takes a day or so (...not minutes...) to have the folds go away. And by stretching, that means fairly tight, not just a modest "pull".

I myself have always suggested that one ask for the material to be shipped in a Roll. But for some the extra shipping costs serves to eliminate that choice. Perhaps Carl can be persuaded to simply fold the material lengthwise and then put it onto a shorter roll, therein reducing the length of the package...which is what shipping costs are really determined by, and can be more daunting a prospect for those who need to ship to "Foreign destinations".

But I would not fault them/him for shipping the material in as small a container as possible to reduce shipping cost for the consumer. It's certainly not done to be purposefully detrimental for the customer, but rather because of both cost consideration for the customer as well as knowing that creases in stretchable materials will "pull out".
post #39 of 45
I was told that the material can be folded for 6 weeks without problem as I earlier planned to ship it by sea. I opted to ship it by air so it only took 2 weeks. So, keeping the screen in the box for another week should not pose any issue.

I have not stretched the material across the frame but tried pulling both sides. The folds got away except for the intersecting folds which did not move. I do not know how much of a pull will be applied to the tolerable folds before the intersecting folds will straighten up. The corner folds had marks on it does not move together with most of the folds.

If a proper shipping box with corner support was used, the corners should not be easily pressed preventing the material from being stretched in that area.

Still hoping to pull this project off successfully.
Edited by weng2x - 10/19/13 at 8:33am
post #40 of 45
I am in the exact same situation. My material arrived in only 5 days and looked the same as yours. I am in the process of resizing a 1 inch square tubing frame and can't try stretching out the material just yet. I laid the material out on the floor and rolled it onto a length of PVC pipe. I was careful to try smoothing out the wrinkles as I went. I partially unrolled it a few days later and only very slight imperfections remained. I'm sure they will stretch out. I think Carl's is misleading people by telling them that its OK to ship folded. They should just always ship rolled.
post #41 of 45
I put tension on the corner folds by directly pulling around it but it leaves a mark on the sharp folds. How can you remove the marks?
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by weng2x View Post

I put tension on the corner folds by directly pulling around it but it leaves a mark on the sharp folds. How can you remove the marks?

Stretch it out to the point those lines are almost gone, then apply some gentle heat using a Blow Dryer..... and be a bit patient.
post #43 of 45
I feel for you...I've done about a dozen BOC screens and all of them have been free of such issues...certainly after a day or so. I prolly stretch it tighter than most but I don't think it's anything undoable for most.

Good luck.

James
post #44 of 45
I installed the screen with success. You guys are right with regards to applying tension until the creases will disappear. It was difficult to simulate the tension on a small part. Stretching the material across the frame is much easier.

Here are some photos.







Border with velvet cover


Up against a DIY gray painted plywood screen






Thanks for the help guys smile.gif
post #45 of 45
Great news. I reasoned that if I could stretch out a FlexiWhite of 200" diagonal, anything less should be a "snap"....figuratively speaking.

It looks really good BTW. I like how you also show that with the FlexiWhite solution, a far less complex and robust Frame is needed.

I hope this quells the concern and consternation over having Carl's Place ship smaller pieces in Boxes. Time, along with many examples has shown them and their Customers that FlexiWhite creases stretch out just fine.... and even though weng2x's example was looking pretty severe, out they came anyway. Of course those who want to forgo any concern whatsover can pay the premium to have it shipped in a Roll. For some, such might be worth the extra cost if only to be able to say, "I did it my way".

And in DIY Screen making, there is certainly nothing wrong with that! wink.gif
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