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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

HD-Master, again I am not the one creating this conspiracy theory, it is the ones that wrote that FUD article. Guess you cannot see the point, that this is a issue that certain ones of us can see right through the "Onion" article, that is trying to create a mass exodus from Netflix.
...you truly are delusional. No one is trying to create a Netflix mass exodus. People are simply asking them to respect OAR. They appear to be interested in doing just that. First you completely miss the mark with your ludicrous PAL/SECAM claims. Now you suggest this equally ridiculous mass exodus tin foil conspiracy theory. Now it's just getting silly.
post #122 of 140
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

HD-Master, again I am not the one creating this conspiracy theory, it is the ones that wrote that FUD article. Guess you cannot see the point, that this is a issue that certain ones of us can see right through the "Onion" article, that is trying to create a mass exodus from Netflix.
...you truly are delusional. No one is trying to create a Netflix mass exodus. People are simply asking them to respect OAR. They appear to be interested in doing just that. First you completely miss the mark with your ludicrous PAL/SECAM claims. Now you suggest this equally ridiculous mass exodus tin foil conspiracy theory. Now it's just getting silly.
HD-Master I think you're wrong about the mass exodus. Netflix has been trying to force a mass exodus from shinny disk rentals to streaming since they first introduced their streaming service. If I recall correctly, they have lost over half of their disk rental business during that time span, and yet a majority of their income is derived from the disk side of the house as recently as 2012. It may still be.

Lest we forget: biggrin.gif

"On September 18, 2011, Netflix CEO and Co-Founder Reed Hastings said in a Netflix blog post that the DVD section of Netflix would be split off and renamed Qwikster, and stated that the only major change would be separate websites for the services."

In 2012 they also tried to drop member profiles that allowed more than one queue in a household. That was a feature popular with disk rental folks who got it reversed in less than two weeks.

There doesn't seem to be a place in the long range Netflix business plan for disk rental, and the technology doesn't seem to be in our immediate future to stream the same Blu-ray quality that exists on disks. I will settle for a download system if the Comcast like providers of this world don't sink that idea too.

The NFL wants us in their stadiums, and the movie folks are mad that we aren't all on a pay per view system. eek.gif
Edited by htwaits - 7/21/13 at 7:30pm
post #123 of 140
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

HD-Master I think you're wrong about the mass exodus. Netflix has been trying to force a mass exodus from shinny disk rentals to streaming since they first introduced their streaming service. If I recall correctly, they have lost over half of their disk rental business during that time span, and yet most of their income is derived from the disk side of the house.

The claim was not that Netflix was trying to force a mass exodus, but that others were trying to force one away from Netflix. There were also random and unsubstantiated claims about Facebook video streaming. It was also suggested that some mysterious group of people were colluding to kill an unnamed industry. This is all incredibly simple. This is about Netflix (in some cases) providing streaming customers with cropped or P&S version of films, rather than available OAR content. Netflix has made it clear that these are issues they wish to rectify.

Please, try and make sense of this:
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

It was also the same that stated that Facebook crops. It is FUD made up by someone trying to ruffle peoples feathers. Just change the graphic, and you have another service as the one that crops.

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...what?
What part did you not understand. They had the same stuff up on Facebook, trying to state that Facebook crops movies on their movie on demand service. This is nothing but FUD, and people are falling for it, thinking that it is real.

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What does this have to do with Facebook? I have no idea if Facebook crops their content. I have never used their video service. I have no idea if it is FUD or not. What I do know is that the claims regarding Netflix are accurate and factual.
Again, this info about Netflix is the same that cropped up from the same group stating that Facebook's movie service does the same thing. At this point I might as well beat my head against the wall trying to explain this to the likes of you, since it is obvious that you are not getting it.

If you really want to know the truth, it is due to the video content that they are delivering, from original format. So if it a SD movie that was originally on VHS or DVD, they will either show Original format, Widescreen, or Pan & Scan, depending on how it was formatted on the master used to make the VHS tapes or DVD discs. If it is mastered for Blu-Ray, they will deliver what is on the Blu-Ray that consumers get, whether it is a burned by Netflix copy, or original copy from the studio.

Again, this is all FUD being made up by a few select groups, to ruffle the feathers of the masses who are taking this so gullible as they are, they are believing every bit of it. Unlike those of the likes of myself that can see right through the BS that the FUD spreaders are doing.

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Ugh everything has to be watered down for the masses
For some it takes more than that to get it through them, that this whole "Onion" story is nothing but FUD.

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HD-Master, the reason that you see the difference in older material, is that PAL/Se-Cam material was mastered different than PAL. Remember, that Europe & Japan had HD & Widescreen format before it ever hit the U.S.. Those broadcasters you stated, are sending out to the consumer what they receive from the studios for their digital copy they keep on their servers. You can only send out what you receive, and yes you can upscale from SD 480i or even PAL to 720p/1080i with the right equipment.

A Few good men is actually Pan & Scan on the original VHS & DVD, but depending on the broadcaster, they may show the widescreen version out to the public, upscaled to 720p or 1080i. Again, the reason for the difference in different countries is the format that Netflix receives and places on their content servers for delivery to consumers, there is no conspiracy here, just a few select Nerds out there trying to start a war, and spreading FUD, thinking that the masses will flock elsewhere, or kill the industry, by causing a Lemming effect. Sorry, but this consumer is not falling for it.

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HD-Master, again I am not the one creating this conspiracy theory, it is the ones that wrote that FUD article. Guess you cannot see the point, that this is a issue that certain ones of us can see right through the "Onion" article, that is trying to create a mass exodus from Netflix.
post #124 of 140
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

HD-Master I think you're wrong about the mass exodus. Netflix has been trying to force a mass exodus from shinny disk rentals to streaming since they first introduced their streaming service. If I recall correctly, they have lost over half of their disk rental business during that time span, and yet most of their income is derived from the disk side of the house.

Lest we forget: biggrin.gif

"On September 18, 2011, Netflix CEO and Co-Founder Reed Hastings said in a Netflix blog post that the DVD section of Netflix would be split off and renamed Qwikster, and stated that the only major change would be separate websites for the services."

Yes, that is correct. However...that has absolutely nothing to do with this "cropping" issue.
post #125 of 140
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HD-Master I think you're wrong about the mass exodus. Netflix has been trying to force a mass exodus from shinny disk rentals to streaming since they first introduced their streaming service. If I recall correctly, they have lost over half of their disk rental business during that time span, and yet most of their income is derived from the disk side of the house.

Lest we forget: biggrin.gif

"On September 18, 2011, Netflix CEO and Co-Founder Reed Hastings said in a Netflix blog post that the DVD section of Netflix would be split off and renamed Qwikster, and stated that the only major change would be separate websites for the services."

Yes, that is correct. However...that has absolutely nothing to do with this "cropping" issue.
You are missing that fact that I'm on your side in this exchange. wink.gif

I was only pointing out the irony in accusing some force of trying to drive customers away from Netflix, when in fact, Netflix has driven large numbers of customers away in the way that they handled the addition of streaming service. There clear objective has been to replace disk rental rather than to add streaming. tongue.gif
Edited by htwaits - 7/21/13 at 8:07pm
post #126 of 140
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

...you truly are delusional. No one is trying to create a Netflix mass exodus. People are simply asking them to respect OAR. They appear to be interested in doing just that. First you completely miss the mark with your ludicrous PAL/SECAM claims. Now you suggest this equally ridiculous mass exodus tin foil conspiracy theory. Now it's just getting silly.
From that I am guessing that you did not read the article, or have paid attention to why it was written. Yep, keep your head in the sand HD-Master, while the rest of us live in reality and go on with our lives, without stuff like this bothering us, since it is obvious that it has hit a nerve with you, due to your attitude that you have been spewing in your posts.

Find another hobby HD-Master, because it is obvious that you have a problem playing well with others.
post #127 of 140
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

From that I am guessing that you did not read the article, or have paid attention to why it was written. Yep, keep your head in the sand HD-Master, while the rest of us live in reality and go on with our lives, without stuff like this bothering us, since it is obvious that it has hit a nerve with you, due to your attitude that you have been spewing in your posts.

Find another hobby HD-Master, because it is obvious that you have a problem playing well with others.

I think you might be taking all this a bit too seriously, no? Don't make it personal. Stick to making your point, not deriding the opinions of others. cool.gif
post #128 of 140
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...you truly are delusional. No one is trying to create a Netflix mass exodus. People are simply asking them to respect OAR. They appear to be interested in doing just that. First you completely miss the mark with your ludicrous PAL/SECAM claims. Now you suggest this equally ridiculous mass exodus tin foil conspiracy theory. Now it's just getting silly.
From that I am guessing that you did not read the article, or have paid attention to why it was written. Yep, keep your head in the sand HD-Master, while the rest of us live in reality and go on with our lives, without stuff like this bothering us, since it is obvious that it has hit a nerve with you, due to your attitude that you have been spewing in your posts.

Find another hobby HD-Master, because it is obvious that you have a problem playing well with others.
Who are, "the rest of us?" So far...it's only you.
post #129 of 140
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Who are, "the rest of us?" So far...it's only you.

Let's keep posts on-topic, please. Netflix already made a statement, basically it happens. No conspiracies. Netflix seems interested in addressing this as a customer service issue, as you pointed out.
Edited by imagic - 7/21/13 at 8:33pm
post #130 of 140
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Originally Posted by Franklights View Post

Been thinking of trying out Amazon Prime - any thoughts on that?

I was a prime member up until last year so I had free streaming from Amazon. Honestly if you think Netflix is lacking (quality) content you are going to be even more frustrated with Amazon. While it may have a few titles that are exclusive to Amazon most everything they have is also on Netflix. Also even with an excellent reliable internet connection it would buffer constantly (and unlike Netflix that will drop the quality for a few seconds while it buffers Amazon would stop the show for 15 seconds at a time to buffer). Again this was my impression from over a year ago and I know for a fact that in that same time Netflix has increased it's quality twice (at least by an increase in the average data transfer rate) so Amazon may have gotten better in that same time.
post #131 of 140
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Originally Posted by supermr2 View Post

I was a prime member up until last year so I had free streaming from Amazon. Honestly if you think Netflix is lacking (quality) content you are going to be even more frustrated with Amazon. While it may have a few titles that are exclusive to Amazon most everything they have is also on Netflix. Also even with an excellent reliable internet connection it would buffer constantly (and unlike Netflix that will drop the quality for a few seconds while it buffers Amazon would stop the show for 15 seconds at a time to buffer). Again this was my impression from over a year ago and I know for a fact that in that same time Netflix has increased it's quality twice (at least by an increase in the average data transfer rate) so Amazon may have gotten better in that same time.

I just finished a 30 day trial with Amazon Prime. I have a pretty fast internet connection and I have to say, Prime looked better than Netflix. On the flip side, they took longer to load, and a lot of the stuff I wanted to view was not necessarily covered with the prime membership. The content wast much different than Netflix either... I also tried HULU Plus, that was a disaster. The buffer time was even longer, and the commercials!!! I mean c'mon! I was already paying them $9 a month, did I have to watch 5 commercials per 20 min episode? In summation, if you can get the free prime membership for a month, you should check it out. (My wife has done it twice under one email address, I think they give you once a year or something...)
post #132 of 140
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Originally Posted by Chris5028 View Post

I just finished a 30 day trial with Amazon Prime. I have a pretty fast internet connection and I have to say, Prime looked better than Netflix. On the flip side, they took longer to load, and a lot of the stuff I wanted to view was not necessarily covered with the prime membership. The content wast much different than Netflix either... I also tried HULU Plus, that was a disaster. The buffer time was even longer, and the commercials!!! I mean c'mon! I was already paying them $9 a month, did I have to watch 5 commercials per 20 min episode? In summation, if you can get the free prime membership for a month, you should check it out. (My wife has done it twice under one email address, I think they give you once a year or something...)

I just started my 30 day as well and also noticed very similar programming to netflix. I'm not sure I would ever pay for rentals or movie purchases available. I also noticed more buffering in Amazon as well. For the Amazon shopping benefits I can see keeping it and am sure I will go that route but will look at that as a benefit to the free 2 day shipping and a supplement to Netflix.
post #133 of 140
Slightly off topic question. Is there a Netflix player that I can add memory so it buffers more data for less chance of drop-outs?
post #134 of 140
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Slightly off topic question. Is there a Netflix player that I can add memory so it buffers more data for less chance of drop-outs?
That issue has nothing to do with the player, it is caused by how congested the content server is, how heavily loaded the Node you are on, if getting Internet through your catv company, then there is the congestion from the headend to the content server which comes into play.
post #135 of 140
Oh I see. Thank you for the explanation!
post #136 of 140
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Originally Posted by gregzoll View Post

That issue has nothing to do with the player, it is caused by how congested the content server is, how heavily loaded the Node you are on, if getting Internet through your catv company, then there is the congestion from the headend to the content server which comes into play.

All valid issues-but added buffering in the player still helps streaming go smoother, when the main issue is inconsistent bandwidth as opposed to insufficient bandwidth. AppleTV behaves that way with iTunes content.
post #137 of 140
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All valid issues-but added buffering in the player still helps streaming go smoother, when the main issue is inconsistent bandwidth as opposed to insufficient bandwidth. AppleTV behaves that way with iTunes content.
It is because of traffic on the content server, that it is unable to handle all of the people trying to stream from it. There is only so much bandwidth that they can squeeze out of these content servers, along with the pipes coming from them.

You are from Philly, look how the traffic is on the 276 is right now, due to construction, and during rush hour too and from King of Prussia, same goes for I-76. It is no better now, then what it was when I was in Philly on the Saipan at the yards, back in '88. Think of that as how the traffic is to and from the content servers. Same concept.
Edited by gregzoll - 7/26/13 at 10:34pm
post #138 of 140
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It is because of traffic on the content server, that it is unable to handle all of the people trying to stream from it. There is only so much bandwidth that they can squeeze out of these content servers, along with the pipes coming from them.

You are from Philly, look how the traffic is on the 276 is right now, due to construction, and during rush hour too and from King of Prussia, same goes for I-76. It is no better now, then what it was when I was in Philly on the Saipan at the yards, back in '88. Think of that as how the traffic is too and from the content servers. Same concept.

No! I-76 is so horrible, nobody should be forced to relate any other concept to it. Seriously, unless Netflix insisted that everybody use a 56K modem...did they even have those in '88? No. Not even close! There's no comparison. I-76 is the same, but broadband has improved.

But, I do know what you are sayin', regardless.
post #139 of 140
Now I could have compared it to the 405 or 101 in LA, which is worse than the 276 & 76 in the Philly area all hours or the day. At least you can get somewhere on the 276 or 76 after 10 am, until 3 pm, then from 7 pm to the next morning at 4:30-5 am. Actually they did have 56k modems on paper, and concept, but did not physically show up until 1998 to the consumers. Just for grins, this is the man responsible for the technology we had back then http://web.mit.edu/invent/iow/townshend.html Respect him, because without him, we would have never heard those famous words "You've got mail.".
post #140 of 140
Anyway...
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