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post #61 of 112
Sure wish the John Glenn liftoff scene sounded better. One of the most dramatic scenes in any film but seems to lack dynamics.

Art
post #62 of 112
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I can't find a way for my Oppo to tell me the hz or bit rate of the audio of what is actually on the disk....sorry about that.

Press the INFO "i" button on your remote to bring up the on-screen display. Use the PAGE up/down to scroll through the on-screen display pages. If your's is like my BDP-103, the source audio, including the bit rate, should be shown on the first page, bottom line, on the left ("1/7 English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 48k"). The second page should show what audio is being output ("LPCM 5.1 48k" or "Bitstream") also on the bottom line. The audio bit depth (16 bit or 24 bit) is not displayed anywhere that I'm aware of. The 24b, 30b, or 36b you see in these info pages is referring to video bit depth, not audio.
post #63 of 112
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Originally Posted by P Ross View Post

Noticed this on another forum...


moovtune, on 09 Nov 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:
FYI:

Warner Bros. Home Entertainment has become aware of and confirmed that The Right Stuff 30th Anniversary Blu-ray Book released on Nov. 5, 2013 went to market without the 96K upsampling feature enabled. Steps are being taken to resolve the issue at the current time.
Sounds like replacement disks will be sent out.

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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Sure wish the John Glenn liftoff scene sounded better. One of the most dramatic scenes in any film but seems to lack dynamics.

Art
I noticed this too.
One of the few times I was disappointed in the audio.

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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Press the INFO "i" button on your remote to bring up the on-screen display. Use the PAGE up/down to scroll through the on-screen display pages. If your's is like my BDP-103, the source audio, including the bit rate, should be shown on the first page, bottom line, on the left ("1/7 English Dolby TrueHD 5.1 48k"). The second page should show what audio is being output ("LPCM 5.1 48k" or "Bitstream") also on the bottom line. The audio bit depth (16 bit or 24 bit) is not displayed anywhere that I'm aware of. The 24b, 30b, or 36b you see in these info pages is referring to video bit depth, not audio.
Thank you for the info.
post #64 of 112
TrueHD specs taken from disc playlist report...

Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1473 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB)
post #65 of 112
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Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post

Here's a post from the other "The Right Stuff" thread.

No updates? It's been about 4 weeks.
post #66 of 112
I watched it. It looks and sounds great.

But none of that would matter, because it's a wonderful movie. History, but not dry because it shows the humour, humanity, and sometimes just plain silliness of these amazing men.

Very highly recommended.

Mike
post #67 of 112
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

No updates? It's been about 4 weeks.

Yeah. I've been holding out. Any news?
post #68 of 112
^ I emailed both Warner and Dolby about the issue 4 weeks ago and have not received any response from either. I decided to give some time for response after it was posted here that Warner was aware of the issue and working on a correction. Yesterday I found a telephone number for previous Warner disc replacements, and called it. The first lady I talked to said it was the first call they had received with any issues concerning "The Right Stuff" Blu-ray. She transferred me directly to someone who was supposedly actually at Warner, who subsequently transferred me to a voicemail, from which I am supposed to receive a reply within 48 hours of my call.
post #69 of 112
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The first lady I talked to said it was the first call they had received with any issues concerning "The Right Stuff" Blu-ray.
Hmmmm....rolleyes.gif
post #70 of 112
This is kind of sad. After all the year's of waiting for a proper Blu boy and they screw up ! I had the Laser Disc (WS), the flipper dvd, and the newer 2 disc dvd. I was not happy with the number of white spec's and other print debris and felt ripped off.

I hope the Blu ray is better but I will not buy it until I can be sure I am buying the corrected version.

Come on Warner have some balls like the guys portrayed in the movie. They need to replace all of the bs DD5.1 Blu ray's too (Interview with the Vampire.........etc, etc.)
post #71 of 112
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 View Post

This is kind of sad. After all the year's of waiting for a proper Blu boy and they screw up !
Wonder what makes you think that. It's a very good disc.
post #72 of 112
I have read the thread........the disc released does not match the spec's in the audio area. This tends to not satisfy me..........just like buying the 20th Anniversary Fugitive disc and finding the old blu ray inside the case...........or buying the Man of Steel from Target Canada and finding the X-RAY VISION Feature is not on any disc in the package.

I guess I am the nit picky type? When the cover's have sticker's saying 96hz audio or whatever and the disc inside does not have the feature.......I feel sad !!
post #73 of 112
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

Wonder what makes you think that. It's a very good disc.

+1
I thought it was quite good. And most of the movies we watch/buy are 48k.
Edited by Cyrano - 12/15/13 at 4:28pm
post #74 of 112
Why get in a snip about the 96 kHz sampling? It's not like they went back and took the original archival master analog stems and digitally encoded/re-mastered/re-mixed them at 24 bit/96 kHz resolution, which is what they should have done in the first place. It looks like they were supposed to take a 16 bit/48 kHz track prepared years ago and just run it through a Dolby "up-sampler." Not the same thing. The latter is a cheap cheat because they didn't want to spend the money to do the former.
post #75 of 112
What is not acceptable is advertising a feature to entice customers to purchase and then renege on providing said advertised feature: there should at least be a partial refund.

Don't any of the consumer protection bodies have any teeth over false advertising?
post #76 of 112
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Don't any of the consumer protection bodies have any teeth over false advertising?

Not any more. They basically work for the companies they're supposed to police. It pisses me off as well, but I know you'd have to have the most golden of ears to hear any possible benefit of Dolby's magic 96 kHz upconvert elixer. More than likely, especially coming from a 16 bit PCM track, you'd get no benefit whatsoever. If it had been a properly mastered 24/48 track, maybe, just maybe it might sound a little smoother.
post #77 of 112
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

What is not acceptable is advertising a feature to entice customers to purchase and then renege on providing said advertised feature
Absolutely right.frown.gif

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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

If it had been a properly mastered 24/48 track, maybe, just maybe it might sound a little smoother.
I think the difference can be heard more definitively with top-flight equipment.

FWIW, I can usually tell the difference on my system.
post #78 of 112
Speaking of which, I'd like to find out more about what you got runnin' there, Oink. smile.gif

Details are elusive at best. wink.gif
post #79 of 112
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Speaking of which, I'd like to find out more about what you got runnin' there, Oink. smile.gif

Details are elusive at best. wink.gif
For audio, I use an Oppo 95, Emotiva amp, Onkyo Pro pre/pro, M&K speakers (including tripoles).
post #80 of 112
Picked this up yesterday at Best Buy for $19.99. Played on my Oppo BDP-83 bitstream to my Denon 988, which correctly displayed 96K.
Awesome movie, great transfer, outstanding audio for it's age. Movie did win an Oscar for sound and this disc presents it well. Lfe is not up today's standards, but still darn good.
As someone posted earlier, the Glen lift off is a tad disappointing in the low-end department. For anyone who has the IMAX Hubble blu ray, that is the standard for how a NASA launch should sound.
My house and family are still recovering from that liftoff!
post #81 of 112
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

Picked this up yesterday at Best Buy for $19.99. Played on my Oppo BDP-83 bitstream to my Denon 988, which correctly displayed 96K.
Awesome movie, great transfer, outstanding audio for it's age. Movie did win an Oscar for sound and this disc presents it well. Lfe is not up today's standards, but still darn good.
As someone posted earlier, the Glen lift off is a tad disappointing in the low-end department. For anyone who has the IMAX Hubble blu ray, that is the standard for how a NASA launch should sound.
My house and family are still recovering from that liftoff!



I checked my local BB today and they didn't have it so YMMV. I asked the clerk and he said they didn't carry anything that old. rolleyes.gif
post #82 of 112
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

I checked my local BB today and they didn't have it so YMMV. I asked the clerk and he said they didn't carry anything that old. rolleyes.gif
Same thing here. He told me it was not going to be in stock.
I found it at f.y.e..
The price at Amazon is better though.
Edited by Cyrano - 12/18/13 at 8:50pm
post #83 of 112
My experience with Best Buy is if you can't find something, keep looking. Asking a clerk is an aggravating waste of time. Many a time I have been told they don't have or carry an item, only to locate it
during my same visit. The Right Stuff Blu Ray was in a cardboard display with other Warner Digibook and Anniversary titles like Unforgiven, Deliverence, and JFK. Find that display and you will have the Right Stuff!
post #84 of 112
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

My experience with Best Buy is if you can't find something, keep looking. Asking a clerk is an aggravating waste of time. Many a time I have been told they don't have or carry an item, only to locate it
during my same visit. The Right Stuff Blu Ray was in a cardboard display with other Warner Digibook and Anniversary titles like Unforgiven, Deliverence, and JFK. Find that display and you will have the Right Stuff!
I usually find pretty good help at BB. The clerk who helped me (this was on the day it was released) did his searching using the computer.
I'm glad to hear BB has The Right Stuff available.
post #85 of 112
Use this link to check whether the Best Buy store's computer inventory shows it in stock: FIND IT AT A BEST BUY STORE.

My experience is that if it is shown as "UNAVAILABLE" is most certainly is. If if is shown as "AVAILABLE NOW" then the store probably has it somewhere, but no guarantees that anyone can find it. The staff was completely unable to find a title for me one time, and I finally found it after about 30 minutes of searching. Most of the time though that isn't an issue.
post #86 of 112
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

Picked this up yesterday at Best Buy for $19.99. Played on my Oppo BDP-83 bitstream to my Denon 988, which correctly displayed 96K.

Apparently the corrected discs are making their way to the stores.
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

As someone posted earlier, the Glen lift off is a tad disappointing in the low-end department. For anyone who has the IMAX Hubble blu ray, that is the standard for how a NASA launch should sound.
My house and family are still recovering from that liftoff!

I found the low end to be pretty good, but only if the volume is set fairly close to reference level. At a volume of 15dB below reference the low end is pretty non-existent. Also don't forget that this is an Atlas launch, not a Saturn V.
post #87 of 112
For those with the 48k version who want to get the 96k version. here is where I wrote.

http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/main/help/customer_service.jsp

http://www.warnerbros.com/help/customer-service.html

I wrote to the bottom link and saw no response to the "submit" button so I also wrote to the top link.
I received a reply within 10 minutes from Sherri Bogard at Warnerbros.com.
post #88 of 112
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Originally Posted by tbuick6 View Post

As someone posted earlier, the Glen lift off is a tad disappointing in the low-end department. For anyone who has the IMAX Hubble blu ray, that is the standard for how a NASA launch should sound.
My house and family are still recovering from that liftoff!

That is kind of like saying all cars sound the same. A Buick sounds the same as a Porsche right?

John Glenn was first launched on an Atlas which has one main and two sustainer engines powered by RP-1 (kerosene) and liquid oxygen. While those engines burned hot (I've felt a later Atlas version's engines during a launch), they made nowhere near the crackle that the solid rocket booster (SRBs) made during a Shuttle launch. Solid rockets sound a lot different than liquid rockets and the amount of energy coming out of the Atlas engines was nowhere near that of the SRBs.

In addition the Atlas recording used analog equipment and was likely just a transfer from NASA film with a lot of work by the foley artist. Hubble 3D was recorded on modern digital equipment using multiple recording locations. The earlier IMAX, such as The Dream is Alive, was mostly foley artist work for the launches. Hubble 3D is a real recording of a Shuttle launch and it is impressive considering the dynamic range that occurred during a Shuttle launch. Too bad it won't occur again.

So I certainly don't fault the filmmakers for the Atlas sounds. That is what an Atlas (of that vintage) sounded like.
Edited by alk3997 - 12/19/13 at 12:03pm
post #89 of 112
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Originally Posted by alk3997 View Post

That is kind of like saying all cars sound the same. A Buick sounds the same as a Porsche right?

No, it was kind of like saying that 1983 sound recording technology could not compete with today's. The difference in the sound between these 2 is not due to the differences between the Atlas and Saturn 5 rockets, but the technology and expertise of the sound engineers who created the soundtracks.
post #90 of 112
Who mentioned a Saturn 5? That was also an RP-1 / liquid oxygen first stage. It actually would have sounded similar to an Atlas but with a deeper more sustained rumble.

As I mentioned it was a technology issue but expertise was not one of the problems. Believe it or not different types of rockets sound different and (as I said) analog recordings made it much more difficult to capture a rocket's sound as well. But, I don't think you read past the first two sentences of my original response.
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