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post #241 of 2079
The audio will be down mixed to PCM 2.0 in both Zone 2 as well as in the main zone if the same DD/DTS 5.1 audio is selected to both zones. I just confirmed this on my Denon X4000.
post #242 of 2079
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The audio will be down mixed to PCM 2.0 in both Zone 2 as well as in the main zone if the same DD/DTS 5.1 audio is selected to both zones. I just confirmed this on my Denon X4000.

Now what if Zone 1 has a different source then zone 2?

Will zone 2 go from DD/DTS 5.1 to PCM 2.0 by itself? or does it require another zone to be outputting the same source to down regulate at all?
post #243 of 2079
The former. smile.gif Well .. there is a manual setting that must be set to either "Through" or "PCM".

post #244 of 2079
Great, so audio no matter the input smile.gif I really appreciate all the help!
post #245 of 2079
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Originally Posted by Chris0119 View Post

If I wanted to occupy all 7 channels on my SR5008 for use in the main room for a 7.1 or 7.2 config...but still get zone 2 audo - can I just use the pre-outs on the Marantz provided I use an external amplifer? If so, when I want to direct the audio to zone 2 what setting adjustment do I make on the Marantz other than pressing the 'Zone 2' button?

The SR5008 is a 7CH AVR so if you use all 7CH in the main zone, you would have to connect an external map to the Zone 2 pre-outs to power the Zone 2 speakers. Set Zone 2 to ON and select the source just as you would in the main zone, with the limitation that an external source must be connected with analog cables unless using the "All Zone Stereo" setting with an HDMI source playing to both the main and Zone 2. On board sources (ie. Tuner, network audio, Pandora, Spotify, Airplay) will also play to Zone 2 as well.
post #246 of 2079
O.k, sounds easy enough, thanks! Can you recommend a good and relatively inexpensive external amp that would mate well with the 5008? (Keeping in mind I will only be powering in all liklihood only 4 bookshelf speakers for music playback). Also, would it be preferable to have the amp close to the receiver in the main room and use long speaker wire runs, or would it be better to locate the external amp in the zone 2 room which would then require long analog cables? I know that 12 gauge speaker wire can maintain good signal integrity over a 100 foot span, so I am thinking that woul be the better option which means the external amp would be in the zone 1 room...thoughts?
post #247 of 2079
For Zone 2 you can use any 2CH amp (or even older replaced AVR) or if you prefer to buy new check out the below linked amp (although not sure why the price has jumped up as it has been just under $100 for years). The longer speaker wire route is likely more common.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6
post #248 of 2079
Which speakers (brand/model) and what are their impedance?
post #249 of 2079
Can You Tweak Audyssey???

1) Once you run Audyssey, can you teak it?

2) Specifically, can you change your main speakers from large to small, and change the crossovers? If so, how?

3) If you make these changes can you still use Audyssey features (eg: MultEQ correction curves and Dynamic EQ)? The blue text blue below suggests you can't... but I think you can... I'm confused confused.gif

4) If you do make these tweaks how do you know if you are currently using the Audyssey settings, or your tweaks? Sure, the front display will show that Audyssey is activated, but I have no clue if it is using the Audyssey settings or my tweaks.

5) Once you make your tweaks, do you have to re-run Audyssey to go back to Audyssey's settings? Or can you toggle between the Audyssey settings and your own tweaks? (seems like a huge oversight if you can't toggle between the settings)

I assume the answers to these questions are set out on page 192 of the Manual (see below), but I can't make sense of it. Can anyone explain what this means, and answer my questions above??? THANKS!

Manual Setup
Perform when setting the speakers manually or when changing settings made in Audyssey® Setup.
If you change the speaker settings after performing Audyssey® Setup, it will not be possible to select Audyssey MultEQ® XT32, Audyssey Dynamic EQ® and Audyssey Dynamic Volume® (page 167, 168,
169).
“Manual Setup” can be used without changing the settings. Please set if necessary.
post #250 of 2079
^^
1. Not in the truest sense, no, but for your wants yes.
2. Yes, via Speakers - Manual Setup.
3. Yes, that "Manual Setup" section you quoted is very poorly written and confusing to most folks. What it should say is that if you "add" more speakers/sub that Audyssey will present an error message and require you to run it again as you now have un-EQ'd speakers. These "tweaks" that you want to make are originally made by the AVR and not Audyssey, so you can change the LARGE/SMALL, crossover, and volume level for each speaker without impacting the Audyssey EQ or having to run it again. The only reason to run Audyssey again is if you are not satisfied with the results, if you reposition any speakers or furniture in the room, or of course if you add any new speakers or a new sub (if you previously had no sub).
4. Any changes made in the Speakers - Manual Setup become the active/current settings. If you select Audyssey Setup - Check Results, this will result in the original settings after running Audyssey which you would return to if using the "Restore" setting noted below.
5. Although you can use the "Restore" setting under Audyssey Setup to restore to the original settings after running Audyssey and prior to your manual changes, once you make the manual changes noted in #3, you cannot "toggle" back and forth between your Manual changes and the original settings, all you can do is to set Audyssey ON or OFF as far as toggling goes.
post #251 of 2079
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Originally Posted by erhurd View Post

Which speakers (brand/model) and what are their impedance?

Not sure, but I was thinking about Aperion Intimus 4B's...right now I am using the Intimus 5B's in my main room as surrounds and I am quite pleased with their performance. The impedance is 8 Ohms on the 4B.
post #252 of 2079
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

For Zone 2 you can use any 2CH amp (or even older replaced AVR) or if you prefer to buy new check out the below linked amp (although not sure why the price has jumped up as it has been just under $100 for years). The longer speaker wire route is likely more common.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6

Awesome, thanks! I would use an older AVR if I had one...but this is my first foray in to legit sound...I was rocking a Sony HTIB until the Marantz. I could probably use it as an external amp but I am looking to sell the entire system...it is time to say goodbye to her, lol.
post #253 of 2079
Thanks jdsmoothie! You're awesome. How do you know so much? You should re-written the user manual for Marantz and be one of their advisors! I do have more questions about the Audyssey curve, Audyssey Flat curve, and Graphic EQ - I'm not sure how I can make use of these.

I'm guessing:
(1) they depict of the Audy & Audy Flat frequency curves and show the adjustments made by MultEQ.
(2) the Audy curve is the suggested adjustments
(3) the Audy Flat is the adjustments made to get as flat a response as MutlEQ can muster
(4) you can select the Graphic EQ, copy those curves and then tweak them??

FYI - I ran some low frequency warble tones and tested the response with a sound pressure meter and I have a noticeable dip at 80Hz. Surprising the Audyssey curve, and Audyssey Flat curve both lower the frequency at around 80Hz... seem like it made a mistake at that frequency (?). When I try to adjust it using the graphic EQ, the frequency bands are too wide to adjust the 80hz frequency I'm targeting. Any tips?
post #254 of 2079
Comes with years of helping folks like yourself and reading through the various owners manuals which most folks tend not to want to do ...wink.gif

1-3. Audyssey curve - best used for movies (and for most all around listening)
Audyssey flat - generally better for smaller rooms or well treated rooms and music only listening
Graphic EQ - a very crude equalizer
4. You are copying a very crude copy of what Audyssey is doing (note that the display is what is being treated, ie, you should see a peak at the 80hz level, not a dip) which you can then tweak, however, you're not getting the benefit of the many hundreds of Audyssey speaker filter control points used during the EQ process.
post #255 of 2079
Any one using the Marantz MM7055 5-channel Power Amplifier with a 5008? Any significant improvement in volume output aka loudness? Or simply not worth the money?
post #256 of 2079
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

Any one using the Marantz MM7055 5-channel Power Amplifier with a 5008? Any significant improvement in volume output aka loudness? Or simply not worth the money?

Being that the 5008 is a 100watt AVR...it has plenty of power by most standards. Are you using hard-to-drive speakers? I find volume upwards of 70 on the 5008 to be nice and loud without distortion. Loudest I have played my system at is about ~72, which with FLAC's, AFLAC's, MP3's and good Blu Ray's is more than adequate...
Is your listening area very big?
post #257 of 2079
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Originally Posted by Chris0119 View Post

Being that the 5008 is a 100watt AVR...it has plenty of power by most standards. Are you using hard-to-drive speakers? I find volume upwards of 70 on the 5008 to be nice and loud without distortion. Loudest I have played my system at is about ~72, which with FLAC's, AFLAC's, MP3's and good Blu Ray's is more than adequate...
Is your listening area very big?

My 5008 is not yet arrived; just ordered a couple of days ago. My listening area is a rectangular room (approx 12ft by 18ft) opening on one side to a staircase. I plan to run these off Pioneer BS41s & 21s - I think they are quite efficient. Guess I'll run this unit for a while and decide if I need extra power.
post #258 of 2079
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Did you rerun Audyssey again after adding the new wireless speakers? If yes, the AVR would have likely set the speakers to -12db based on your experience. You can raise the volume of the other speakers without impacting the Audyssey EQ, although from reading reviews, apparently the Owner's manual does not recommend using them with Audyssey for the very reason you have discovered.

I returned the Polk thing, it was buggy as hell and difficult in many many ways. If you read the Amazon reviews just about all gripes apply.. Still worth a shot for 150 fully refundable bucks tho. BTW is it OK if I imagine JB Smooth from Curb Your Enthusiasm sitting at a computer musing about AV equipment when I read your posts? It has more than once been the highlight of my day. biggrin.gif
post #259 of 2079
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

Any one using the Marantz MM7055 5-channel Power Amplifier with a 5008? Any significant improvement in volume output aka loudness? Or simply not worth the money?

I bought a new one from One call about six months ago, to mate with my Marantz AV 7005 processor. I ended up returning it under the 30 day return window. In place of it, I bought a Parasound Halo A52 from Audio Advisor. The Parasound trumped the Marantz. ESPECIALLY at higher volumes. Case in point, at higher SPL's (above zero on the processor), there was audible distortion when using the Marantz amp. By contrast, at reference level with the Halo, the Parasound is still begging to go louder, and does so with relative ease.

If you don't like to listen real LOUD, the Marantz amp may work for you. I wouldn't spend over $900 on a new one. Look for an open box, and decide for yourself. Personally, I like to listen to concert DVDs very loud. If you don't listen real loud, to the point of driving your speakers to distortion, then you have NOTHING to gain by adding an external amp to an AV receiver.
post #260 of 2079
Thread Starter 
JD or Batpig,

Today I found my SR7008 ON (two times) with no one in the house. Something is triggering the receiver and it's turning ON itself. Could it be something related with the network?
post #261 of 2079
Thread Starter 
OK I found the problem. My nephew got a new Samsung S3 mini and he was listening to music on his new phone and by accident he did something like Airplay from the S3 and turned ON the receiver. I did not know that Android has that capability... Sorry, I'm a Mac guy smile.gif
post #262 of 2079
Silly mac fanatic. tongue.gif
post #263 of 2079
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Originally Posted by enricoclaudio View Post

OK I found the problem. My nephew got a new Samsung S3 mini and he was listening to music on his new phone and by accident he did something like Airplay from the S3 and turned ON the receiver. I did not know that Android has that capability... Sorry, I'm a Mac guy smile.gif

You're certainly not the first to ask the question nor learn that a kid in the house was messing with the AVR using one of several available remote apps (android or idevice). Actually a great feature when you want to power on the AVR and select a source especially when the setup includes Zone 2 or other whole house audio speakers as it doesn't just work for Airplay.
post #264 of 2079
Speaking of Airplay and aplogies for deviating off-topic somewhat here - but did anyone notice that latest version of YouTube on iOS devices has a Airplay capability? For those who download their music from YouTube, this is a cool feature because instead of downloading and streaming through DLNA or stored music in iTunes - you can pull up the song of your choice in YouTube and play it back directly with the touch of a button. Small thing perhaps, but I love the convenience of this.
Isn't technology wonderful!?
post #265 of 2079
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Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post

I bought a new one from One call about six months ago, to mate with my Marantz AV 7005 processor. I ended up returning it under the 30 day return window. In place of it, I bought a Parasound Halo A52 from Audio Advisor. The Parasound trumped the Marantz. ESPECIALLY at higher volumes. Case in point, at higher SPL's (above zero on the processor), there was audible distortion when using the Marantz amp. By contrast, at reference level with the Halo, the Parasound is still begging to go louder, and does so with relative ease.

If you don't like to listen real LOUD, the Marantz amp may work for you. I wouldn't spend over $900 on a new one. Look for an open box, and decide for yourself. Personally, I like to listen to concert DVDs very loud. If you don't listen real loud, to the point of driving your speakers to distortion, then you have NOTHING to gain by adding an external amp to an AV receiver.

I for one have no experience with pre-pro configurations...but I have spoken with enough folks who do and done enough reading to say without equivocation that jrhooper is correct. External amps are lovely if you 'blast' music on the regular, or have a larger than 25' X 25' room with cathedral ceilings and need the extra juice. If not, and in most circumstances the AVR alone (especially with Marantz as their power ratings seem largely accurate) - the built-in amps should adequately suffice for most listening requirements. Speakers also have to be taken in to account...you can drive the ^&%$ out of your speakers with an external amp but unless they are up to the challenge, the ROI is a slipperly slope and the returns are very diminishing. To that end, if pre-pro is your preferred option than get a dedicated pre-amp & processor - not a traditional AVR receiver. Better circuitry, less 'noise' = cleaner signal.
post #266 of 2079
I just purchased a 7008 and everything seems to be working well except for one thing - I am getting no sound from my subwoofer. It's a legacy Boston Acoustics VR2000 that was working fine with an old Harman/Kardon AVR85 (using the pre-out sub connection).
There is nothing obviously wrong with the subwoofer; I checked the fuse and it's fine. I have it connected to the 7008 with a single RCA cable running from the sub's "fixed input" (Dolby AC-3 or THX - this was purchased before DTS, but that shouldn't matter) to the pre-out subwoofer 1 on the 7008. The speakers are all set to "small" and I tried upping the gain on the sub in the 7008 menu. I also ran the test tones out of the 7008 and the rest of the speakers are fine, still nothing from the sub.
It can't be that the 7008 doesn't have enough power to drive this sub, can it?
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks.
post #267 of 2079
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Originally Posted by bgruner View Post

I just purchased a 7008 and everything seems to be working well except for one thing - I am getting no sound from my subwoofer. It's a legacy Boston Acoustics VR2000 that was working fine with an old Harman/Kardon AVR85 (using the pre-out sub connection).
There is nothing obviously wrong with the subwoofer; I checked the fuse and it's fine. I have it connected to the 7008 with a single RCA cable running from the sub's "fixed input" (Dolby AC-3 or THX - this was purchased before DTS, but that shouldn't matter) to the pre-out subwoofer 1 on the 7008. The speakers are all set to "small" and I tried upping the gain on the sub in the 7008 menu. I also ran the test tones out of the 7008 and the rest of the speakers are fine, still nothing from the sub.
It can't be that the 7008 doesn't have enough power to drive this sub, can it?
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks.

Definitely not a power issue on the 7008.
That said, might be a electrical / component issue with the pre-out connector on the receiver. Try power cycling the unit (un-plug, wait 2 mins and re-plug). Run the set up assistant to ensure the receiver recognizes the .1 in your configuration and see what happens. Not familiar with your sub but are you certain you didn't make an inadvertant adjustment to it? The 7008 has 2 LFE pre-outs, so try using the other and see what happens...this will rule out the issue of it possibly being a connector issue if it doesn't work either (as it is very unlikely the problem would exist on 2 connectors).
Edited by Chris0119 - 8/30/13 at 2:34pm
post #268 of 2079
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Originally Posted by bgruner View Post

I just purchased a 7008 and everything seems to be working well except for one thing - I am getting no sound from my subwoofer. It's a legacy Boston Acoustics VR2000 that was working fine with an old Harman/Kardon AVR85 (using the pre-out sub connection).
There is nothing obviously wrong with the subwoofer; I checked the fuse and it's fine. I have it connected to the 7008 with a single RCA cable running from the sub's "fixed input" (Dolby AC-3 or THX - this was purchased before DTS, but that shouldn't matter) to the pre-out subwoofer 1 on the 7008. The speakers are all set to "small" and I tried upping the gain on the sub in the 7008 menu. I also ran the test tones out of the 7008 and the rest of the speakers are fine, still nothing from the sub.
It can't be that the 7008 doesn't have enough power to drive this sub, can it?
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks.

Try pulling the cable from the Sub pre-out while the sub is on and rub your finger over it. Do you hear static from the sub? If no, then you've either got a defective cable or sub. If yes, then there's a problem with the pre-out. Try resetting the microprocessor.
post #269 of 2079
I have a question for Chris and jd....

The best way to ask this question is to first describe my system.

I have 9.1 in my living room, 5.1 in my bedroom, and stereo speakers in another room (room 3). I have all of my external sources connected via hdmi to the marantz 7008. I have zone 2 hdmi out going to a pioneer elie vsx92. The pioneer elite is connected to the 5.1 system and room 3. I ran out of available amplified speaker outs on the marantz, so I had to hook room 3 up to the pioneer.

Any stereo source (airplay and Internet radio for example) won't play on the pioneer. I assume this is because it is just an hdmi pass through to zone 2, and thus it can't pick up the stereo signal and send it out over hdmi.

So, what I did was connect the zone 3 pre-out on the marantz to a different input on the pioneer. This allows me to use that input as dedicated for room 3.

I noticed that room 2 (the 5.1) also wouldn't play stereo sources from the marantz, probably for the same reason. So I connected the zone 2 pre-out on the marantz (which corresponds to the hdmi zone 2 out) to an RCA stereo input on the pioneer that was Labelled the same input as the hdmi was going into.

The end result was that I couldn't get the 5.1 to play the stereo sound still. If I switched room 3 to that same input on the pioneer, it would play the stereo sound. If I switched room 2 (5.1 system) to the input that corresponded to the zone 3 out on the marantz, it would play that stereo sound just fine.

The only solution I could come up with is to have that zone 2 pre out on the marantz go to a third input on the pioneer and label that input as a separate stereo input. This is less than ideal because if I am switching from an hdmi source to Internet radio or airplay on the marantz, I aLso have to switch the input on the pioneer from the hdmi input to the stereo input.

Ideally, I would want to only ever have to control the input changes on the marantz wih that beautiful ipad app, but I just can't get it to work...

Any suggestions?
post #270 of 2079
With an AVR connected to the Zone 2 HDMI Out, the 7008 should be able to pass a signal stereo or 5.1/7.1 from any of the "rear" panel HDMI 1-6 inputs to the Pioneer. As you say, it's simply a pass through so there shouldn't be anything stopping it. smile.gif
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