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post #1 of 21
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Hey guys- newbie on the forum stuck in a dilemma.

Long story short; I've owned plasma's forever. I had a PRO-101FD, and then a Panasonic VT50. Both I had calibrated. Well, I move a lot for work. (3 states in 2 years) and it has become a pain to deal with large plasma's (I get the 65's) typically because I'm risking the TV getting broken each time not to mention the cost as well as the pain it is to move it. I actually found it cheaper to sell them off and buy brand new ones each time I move rather than ship it or risk breaking it.

So- now I just moved into my new place and I'm without a TV (besides a 36") and I'm debating what to do. I keep looking at projectors primarily because of convenience; but its rather up in the air on what to actually get. I've looked at Sony 50ES, Digital Projections MVision (not sure which exact one but it was $6K), Panasonic AE8000, Epson 6020, etc. The one thing I AM set on is getting the SI Black Diamond Zero Edge. One thing I have realized is that every apartment I have rented in the past 3 years could've easily had a 116"+ screen. So, I kind of have my heart set on that. BUT.. the situation is I don't know where this screen/projector combo will end up long term. I have to be somewhat flexible when it comes to things like lighting as this thing is going in my living room as my main display. I've read great things about the black diamond screens but I'm also wondering if I'm setting myself up for failure as I can't control lighting beyond window shades and such. My current apt has quite a bit of light even with the window shades closed.

Well, I'm torn on what I should do. Go with a nice projector ($3K-$5K range) and the SI Screen... or bite the bullet and keep buying plasma because once a good set like a Panasonic is calibrated you can't really go wrong. The hard part for me is not being able to audition the projectors with the screen side by side. I've only seen the 6020 and MVision in person; and not on a SI screen. I'm somewhat limited to internet reviews and what dealers have on demo in showrooms in the area. Of course everyone is trying to sell me on something but now my mind is clouded. The one thing I do know is a projector/screen is a lot easier to deal with when moving than a 65" plasma.

Any thoughts? SI screen opinions with moderate light? Etc....
post #2 of 21
That si screen is more than the hw50es in itself! But go projector you won't go back because of the size and immersion
post #3 of 21
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Yea- I figured that the screen matters just as much as the projector and chances are I'll replace the projector due to technology enhancements over the years before I replace the screen.

BTW... I don't care about 3D. I only watch 2D movies and cable TV. This projector would replace any future plasma in my future living rooms and just find a way to make it fit smile.gif
post #4 of 21
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What would be great is if I could see the SI screen in person; in a fully lit room and run through the list of projectors for demo.... but not likely to happen. frown.gif
post #5 of 21
Yeah it's impossible to see any projector or screens in person now and days here too. There used to be home theater stores here but the internet destroyed them. There are some in Charlotte NC about hr and half way from here but their prices are so HIGH it's amazing they are still in business. Feeding off the uninformed I guess.

I have seen a black diamond screen at a Magnolia Best Buy in Ohio (visiting wifes family) and the lights were on plain as day and it was in 3d and it was great. The material is no joke, but the price is so far out in left field my wife would kill me just for a screen, but I really couldn't see myself spending that type of money either I guess as bad as I would love to have it.


On that subject anyone know of a cheaper solution that is similar to black diamond? College football is mostly only on during the day except for big games at night and season starts soon!
post #6 of 21
The Da-Lite High power 2.4 gain screen doesn't have quite as extreme super-refracting retro-reflective capabilities as the BD positive gain gray screen, but it's a lot cheaper and still doubles the brightness of your overall viewing as long as you sit near the middle and mount a projector near the center of the screen.

So the HP 2.4 gain screen can be used to do this, and you can get them very cheap if you know where to look, projectorzone.com is one place.

There are so many screens out these days that many of us have not even really tested, there are just too many to keep track of. Basically what you are looking for is a positive gain gray screen or similar, the problem with most other screens that are good in ambient light is that they HOT SPOT, or the darker negative gain gray screens have the problem of reducing brightness (which counteracts the ability to fight ambient light).

Using the projector's torch mode with a properly setup HP screen is a good budget setup for dealing with basic ambient light, but the easier solution is to learn how to DECORATE a living room as a transitional piece. This starts by installing curtains that are easy to pull in or out, or install some wood blinds (probably overkill for an APT). Also drop some semi-dark rugs, etc...
post #7 of 21
AV Science is a dealer fpr just about all screen brands out there. Give Mike G a call.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by dan30306 View Post

Hey guys- newbie on the forum stuck in a dilemma.

Long story short; I've owned plasma's forever. I had a PRO-101FD, and then a Panasonic VT50. Both I had calibrated. Well, I move a lot for work. (3 states in 2 years) and it has become a pain to deal with large plasma's (I get the 65's) typically because I'm risking the TV getting broken each time not to mention the cost as well as the pain it is to move it. I actually found it cheaper to sell them off and buy brand new ones each time I move rather than ship it or risk breaking it.

So- now I just moved into my new place and I'm without a TV (besides a 36") and I'm debating what to do. I keep looking at projectors primarily because of convenience; but its rather up in the air on what to actually get. I've looked at Sony 50ES, Digital Projections MVision (not sure which exact one but it was $6K), Panasonic AE8000, Epson 6020, etc. The one thing I AM set on is getting the SI Black Diamond Zero Edge. One thing I have realized is that every apartment I have rented in the past 3 years could've easily had a 116"+ screen. So, I kind of have my heart set on that. BUT.. the situation is I don't know where this screen/projector combo will end up long term. I have to be somewhat flexible when it comes to things like lighting as this thing is going in my living room as my main display. I've read great things about the black diamond screens but I'm also wondering if I'm setting myself up for failure as I can't control lighting beyond window shades and such. My current apt has quite a bit of light even with the window shades closed.

Well, I'm torn on what I should do. Go with a nice projector ($3K-$5K range) and the SI Screen... or bite the bullet and keep buying plasma because once a good set like a Panasonic is calibrated you can't really go wrong. The hard part for me is not being able to audition the projectors with the screen side by side. I've only seen the 6020 and MVision in person; and not on a SI screen. I'm somewhat limited to internet reviews and what dealers have on demo in showrooms in the area. Of course everyone is trying to sell me on something but now my mind is clouded. The one thing I do know is a projector/screen is a lot easier to deal with when moving than a 65" plasma.

Any thoughts? SI screen opinions with moderate light? Etc....

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post #9 of 21
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So, let me explain my constant moving. I work for a large construction company; that does things like diamond mines, coal mines, etc. I'm the IT guy. More or less when a new job site starts; I go out and set up all the computer systems, WiFi, etc. I move like every 6-11 months. Typically I just do a 6 month lease on an apt close to the job site and when I'm done; everything I own gets shipped in a POD to the next place. The size of things really doesn't matter providing it will fit in a uHaul or POD- its more to do with things getting broken. You load a 65" plasma in a POD and then you don't see it for 2-3 weeks as well as can't guarantee things won't get dropped/broken. One time my couch frame got broken because I think they dropped the POD and the impact broke the couch- so I don't think a plasma would've survived that one. Since I'm only in these places 6 months; its not worth spending any money to decorate or deal with lighting issues. What I need is flexibility because I can't tell you how much ambient light I'll have to deal with in the future nor can I tell you the throw distance. Today its 18 feet max; 6 months from now it may only be 8 feet when I move. I'm not exactly going to worry about throw distance when looking at apartments in the future.

For audio- I have a Rotel/B&W set up. CM5's for fronts, a CM2Center, and the ASW12 sub. I don't bother with rears because I can't ever route cables anyways and when I finally settle down and buy a house; I'll just move my CM5's to the back for rears and get a set of towers for fronts. I have all my gear in a salamander synergy rack, where this projector will also go (on top or inside). The audio gear is easy enough to deal with when moving because I just throw it all in my car and take it with me instead of loading it in the POD.

I don't mind spending $5K on a screen providing it can be reused later. Eventually I'll settle down and buy a house somewhere and as long as I can reuse the screen- don't care. The projector will get upgraded sooner or later so as long as I have flexibility and a pretty good picture- I'm happy. I don't want to have to mess with lenses and such. I'd like to do 2.35:1 at 144" if I can but I mostly watch cable TV, some sports (hockey), and movies. I don't care at all about 3D because I refuse to wear glasses to watch a movie. I'd rather just but the gear, have the projector ISF calibrated and every time I move just realign the screen and leave it alone. I don't want to have to go out and buy lenses and such.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by dan30306 View Post

So, let me explain my constant moving. I work for a large construction company; that does things like diamond mines, coal mines, etc. I'm the IT guy. More or less when a new job site starts; I go out and set up all the computer systems, WiFi, etc. I move like every 6-11 months. Typically I just do a 6 month lease on an apt close to the job site and when I'm done; everything I own gets shipped in a POD to the next place. The size of things really doesn't matter providing it will fit in a uHaul or POD- its more to do with things getting broken.
For audio- I have a Rotel/B&W set up. CM5's for fronts, a CM2Center, and the ASW12 sub. I don't bother with rears because I can't ever route cables anyways and when I finally settle down and buy a house; I'll just move my CM5's to the back for rears and get a set of towers for fronts. I have all my gear in a salamander synergy rack, where this projector will also go (on top or inside). The audio gear is easy enough to deal with when moving because I just throw it all in my car and take it with me instead of loading it in the POD.

I don't mind spending $5K on a screen providing it can be reused later. Eventually I'll settle down and buy a house somewhere and as long as I can reuse the screen- don't care. The projector will get upgraded sooner or later so as long as I have flexibility and a pretty good picture- I'm happy. I don't want to have to mess with lenses and such. I'd like to do 2.35:1 at 144" if I can but I mostly watch cable TV, some sports (hockey), and movies. I don't care at all about 3D because I refuse to wear glasses to watch a movie. I'd rather just but the gear, have the projector ISF calibrated and every time I move just realign the screen and leave it alone. I don't want to have to go out and buy lenses and such.

I know exactly how you feel, I am in a similar position at times (moving around for IT), though I am usually doing consulting or project planning more often than IT work. I just got called back so that I may be moving in Dec, so when I saw this post I thought it was funny. Your job sounds more exciting than mine (working in a Diamond mine sounds cool, do they check your pockets?)

I would not drag around an expensive screen, just get a MANUAL Da-Lite HP screen Class C or something similar.

I don't have to move that often and I usually maintain my home base, so your situation sounds more extreme. Not sure what I'd do, maybe the Optoma hd25 or Benq w1070, probably wouldn't want to buy an expensive projector to lug around. I think either of these two are good because if you do have a longer throw, just place the PJ in front of you, and if you have a shorter throw, just place the PJ in front of you (get it)...

OK so get an ND filter and either of these. Both should handle ambient light fairly well (but no projector is great at this). I am even considering selling my JVC and larger projectors to get one of these due to traveling as well.

You could also look at the Sharp XVZ-30000, but I'd warn that I'm not sure how portable it is. I think I'd stick with DLP if constantly moving. They are smaller, easier to pack, and generally more rugged.
post #11 of 21
I have to echo Coder's suggestions. Pretty much what he said is the route I went. I got a Da-Lite High Contrast High Power 116" wide 2.35:1 Model C manual pull down screen for about $600 shipped. I use a Sharp XV-Z30000 I caught on a Woot deal for $1800.

I would go cheap on the screen and projector so you have something to satisfy you for now but if it gets damaged and the moving company won't replace/reimburse you, it won't be that big of a hit to replace it.

I'm in the service and move a lot too. I just got to where I'm at now and will likely be moving again soon.

Some things you've thought about is not many projectors have vertical lens shift or can do a short throw. You don't always know if you can ceiling mount it.

If you can and the depth of the room might truly be a small as 8ft, the only FPJ I know of that can do it (taking into account the depth of the projector and allowing for ventilation/wires) is the BenQ W1080ST. It can put up a 100" screen from 5-6'. It goes for about $1k.

The about to be released BenQ W1500 can throw up a 100" screen from 7'9", goes for $1500 and is wireless if that's also a concern for you.

The ViewSonic PJD7820HD and BenQ W1070 can both throw up a 100" screen from 8'4" and goes for about $700 and $900, respectively.

If you went that route to be safe, you could still use the Da-Lite High Power screens but, as Coder has said, you wouldn't get the full gain as they require the projector to be mounted as close to center screen as possible. It could still help w/ ambient light rejection though, depending on where the windows are located. It works well w/ side rejection but not as well if it's coming from directly behind you.

If you are worried about ceiling mounting it, you could go w/ the BenQ W7000 or Sharp XV-Z30000. They can both be used well w/ the High Power screens as their lens center point is the center of the screen. The BenQ can put up a 100" screen from 11'9" and the Sharp 10'5".

The BenQ can be had for $1400 refurbished or just over $1500 new. The Sharp seems to have gone up in price above $2000 but you may be able to find a used one.

If you chance it and go ceiling mount and a throw of about 11-12', you choices increase greatly. See PC's search tool to help find your options. http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm
post #12 of 21
Light control is really a must with projectors (both ambient and reflective).
In order to do a multipurpose room (non-dedicated theater), try to block all incoming light.

I do this by hanging Super Commando Cloth over windows.

After this, try to block all reflective surfaces - especially about a screen width all around the screen (top/ceiling, sides/walls and floor/furniture).
I do this by hanging/placing Duvetyne.
These cloths can be purchased at most theater supply stores - I use PNTA.

Hanging is pretty simple.
I use pin-on drapery hooks for the fabric and WallBiter picture hooks on the walls.
To "attach" cloth to the screen, I use very strong magnets - see something like http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008AZDFJA/ref=pe_385040_30332190_pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

HTH!
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

I have to echo Coder's suggestions. Pretty much what he said is the route I went. I got a Da-Lite High Contrast High Power 116" wide 2.35:1 Model C manual pull down screen for about $600 shipped. I use a Sharp XV-Z30000 I caught on a Woot deal for $1800.

I would go cheap on the screen and projector so you have something to satisfy you for now but if it gets damaged and the moving company won't replace/reimburse you, it won't be that big of a hit to replace it.

I'm in the service and move a lot too. I just got to where I'm at now and will likely be moving again soon.

Some things you've thought about is not many projectors have vertical lens shift or can do a short throw. You don't always know if you can ceiling mount it.

If you can and the depth of the room might truly be a small as 8ft, the only FPJ I know of that can do it (taking into account the depth of the projector and allowing for ventilation/wires) is the BenQ W1080ST. It can put up a 100" screen from 5-6'. It goes for about $1k.

The about to be released BenQ W1500 can throw up a 100" screen from 7'9", goes for $1500 and is wireless if that's also a concern for you.

The ViewSonic PJD7820HD and BenQ W1070 can both throw up a 100" screen from 8'4" and goes for about $700 and $900, respectively.

If you went that route to be safe, you could still use the Da-Lite High Power screens but, as Coder has said, you wouldn't get the full gain as they require the projector to be mounted as close to center screen as possible. It could still help w/ ambient light rejection though, depending on where the windows are located. It works well w/ side rejection but not as well if it's coming from directly behind you.

If you are worried about ceiling mounting it, you could go w/ the BenQ W7000 or Sharp XV-Z30000. They can both be used well w/ the High Power screens as their lens center point is the center of the screen. The BenQ can put up a 100" screen from 11'9" and the Sharp 10'5".

The BenQ can be had for $1400 refurbished or just over $1500 new. The Sharp seems to have gone up in price above $2000 but you may be able to find a used one.

If you chance it and go ceiling mount and a throw of about 11-12', you choices increase greatly. See PC's search tool to help find your options. http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm

He does not want to take a screen apart, pack up and then put back together. So all he has to do is keep the crate the Zero Edge comes in and it will be quick and easy to pack up. This would not be the case for most people, but works perfect for him. Unlike some of you guys, where you have a base setup with a nicer system to use when you can, this will be his only setup. When you work out of town, you end up spending a lot of time in your apartment/condo, so I would think he would want something pretty decent. Also since it will get used a lot, I would go with something that has reasonable lamp costs and reliability.

Also the manual roll up screen will have a much higher risk of being damaged. It is only in a box, not a crate. If laid down and stepped on it will be damaged. Due to length, you will not be able to stand it up vertical.
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post #14 of 21
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Light control is really a must with projectors (both ambient and reflective).
In order to do a multipurpose room (non-dedicated theater), try to block all incoming light.

I do this by hanging Super Commando Cloth over windows.

After this, try to block all reflective surfaces - especially about a screen width all around the screen (top/ceiling, sides/walls and floor/furniture).
I do this by hanging/placing Duvetyne.
These cloths can be purchased at most theater supply stores - I use PNTA.

Hanging is pretty simple.
I use pin-on drapery hooks for the fabric and WallBiter picture hooks on the walls.
To "attach" cloth to the screen, I use very strong magnets - see something like http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008AZDFJA/ref=pe_385040_30332190_pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

HTH!

Yea... I'm not doing any of that. If I have to do more than hang a screen (by myself) and realign a projector.... not interested. I only live in these places 6 months to a year at most and then I move. A majority of the time; I don't even pick where I live as my employer sets it all up. They pay my rent so I don't care as long as the place is nice and typically they rent out large communities as there are a lot of people from the company living in the same complex that work at the same job site. All I want to do is open a box, hang a screen, point a projector, and spend a little bit of time to realign the projector to the screen. When I'm watching the projector- I'll close the window blinds at most.

You really want to go through all the crap you have listed to watch TV? Don't get me wrong- I love a good picture and am somewhat picky about it to the point that I have had past displays ISF calibrated... but I'm not building a room/house around a screen.... lol
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He does not want to take a screen apart, pack up and then put back together. So all he has to do is keep the crate the Zero Edge comes in and it will be quick and easy to pack up. This would not be the case for most people, but works perfect for him. Unlike some of you guys, where you have a base setup with a nicer system to use when you can, this will be his only setup. When you work out of town, you end up spending a lot of time in your apartment/condo, so I would think he would want something pretty decent. Also since it will get used a lot, I would go with something that has reasonable lamp costs and reliability.

Also the manual roll up screen will have a much higher risk of being damaged. It is only in a box, not a crate. If laid down and stepped on it will be damaged. Due to length, you will not be able to stand it up vertical.

Correct- I'm either at work or at home watching TV/movies. I do know that this time next year more than likely I won't have to move around and will be able to actually buy a house. I just don't want to wait another year for that to end to be able to watch movies on a good set up. That's why I'm willing to spend a bunch of money on a screen as long as I can reuse it later. The projector is not as important right now because I can worry about buying a $20K 4K projector later when I have a house and don't have to worry about it getting damaged.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

He does not want to take a screen apart, pack up and then put back together. So all he has to do is keep the crate the Zero Edge comes in and it will be quick and easy to pack up. This would not be the case for most people, but works perfect for him. Unlike some of you guys, where you have a base setup with a nicer system to use when you can, this will be his only setup. When you work out of town, you end up spending a lot of time in your apartment/condo, so I would think he would want something pretty decent. Also since it will get used a lot, I would go with something that has reasonable lamp costs and reliability.

Also the manual roll up screen will have a much higher risk of being damaged. It is only in a box, not a crate. If laid down and stepped on it will be damaged. Due to length, you will not be able to stand it up vertical.

I would think there may be a greater chance of the zero edge being damaged due to it's constant surface area size. I've never seen a crate for one of those but you would still have a chance of it being punctured or stepped on and damaging the screen. It's length would be no less than that of a manual pull down screen.

A manual pull down screen of 100" diagonal would come in a box just over 8ft. Not much bigger than a couch. It might be able to be stacked vertically or diagonally.

The Da-Lite Model C I have seems pretty durable and casing might be able to be stepped on w/ out damaging it. In it's box it came in, it could have some others stacked on it so long as they are not too heavy. He could always tell the movers to make sure to put it on top of other boxes to be safe.

Anyways, OP, you said you just moved into you place and maybe by this time next year you will be in a more permanent place? Maybe you should just wait if you're so concerned.

When the movers come, do they inventory all you stuff and provide a high valued items list for insurance purposes?

Or at most you will have one more place to move to until then. If you're current place is 18ft deep you have some good options. So you could get something good now and if you do have to move once more, it would be what, six months of having to suck it up until you get more settled?
post #17 of 21
You know, if you're going to be able to "settle" in a year, and you don't want to (or can't) setup good light control, I'd just get a nice LCD or something relatively inexpensive that you won't be crushed if something happens in transport.

You could buy a screen now, but I'd bet the odds are when you get to your permanent place it won't be the perfect match. It will probably be the wrong size or the wrong material or both.
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I would think there may be a greater chance of the zero edge being damaged due to it's constant surface area size. I've never seen a crate for one of those but you would still have a chance of it being punctured or stepped on and damaging the screen. It's length would be no less than that of a manual pull down screen.

A manual pull down screen of 100" diagonal would come in a box just over 8ft. Not much bigger than a couch. It might be able to be stacked vertically or diagonally.

The Da-Lite Model C I have seems pretty durable and casing might be able to be stepped on w/ out damaging it. In it's box it came in, it could have some others stacked on it so long as they are not too heavy. He could always tell the movers to make sure to put it on top of other boxes to be safe.

Anyways, OP, you said you just moved into you place and maybe by this time next year you will be in a more permanent place? Maybe you should just wait if you're so concerned.

When the movers come, do they inventory all you stuff and provide a high valued items list for insurance purposes?

Or at most you will have one more place to move to until then. If you're current place is 18ft deep you have some good options. So you could get something good now and if you do have to move once more, it would be what, six months of having to suck it up until you get more settled?

If a Da-Lite model C could take being stepped on, then there are a couple screens that I would not have had to replace. Cover got bent in enough to rub on screen.

The crate the Zero Edge comes in is pretty heavy duty. They are marked, "do not lay flat", but I have seen the packaging where it was placed flat and had foot prints all over it. No damage to the screen. He is looking for a 115" to 120" screen. The case on a 110" model C is over 8' in length, so you are not going to stand it up in a pod.

I have worked construction, away from home for extended periods of time. I still had my home and got to come home a lot of weekends. If I was in his situation, where this was my home, then I would definitely go front projector over constant replacement of flat panels. A lot easier to move the front projector setup. He is already moving the audio portion in his car, so not much trouble to set the projector in the car with the rest. That only leaves the screen to travel in its original shipping crate.
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Originally Posted by dan30306 View Post

Yea... I'm not doing any of that. If I have to do more than hang a screen (by myself) and realign a projector.... not interested. I only live in these places 6 months to a year at most and then I move. A majority of the time; I don't even pick where I live as my employer sets it all up. They pay my rent so I don't care as long as the place is nice and typically they rent out large communities as there are a lot of people from the company living in the same complex that work at the same job site. All I want to do is open a box, hang a screen, point a projector, and spend a little bit of time to realign the projector to the screen. When I'm watching the projector- I'll close the window blinds at most.

You really want to go through all the crap you have listed to watch TV? Don't get me wrong- I love a good picture and am somewhat picky about it to the point that I have had past displays ISF calibrated... but I'm not building a room/house around a screen.... lol

I only go through "all the crap" to watch a movie - my screen comes down in front of my plasma in this location.
Re building a room/house around a screen, I have another house with a dedicated theater, however, in this location (where the square foot price is ~$600), I try to make everything as functional as possible.
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post #20 of 21
good lord $600 a sq ft.! I'll stick with my $50-75 a sq ft here!
post #21 of 21
i'm just going to throw this out there, but at school, we only use LCD projectors. they are business models, so not all about PQ, but they generally have WAY more versatility and can be set up in pretty much any room.

if you go down that route, you might even consider a short throw. it's pretty much impossible to not have enough room to mount your projector then, you need as little as 2-3 feet for some models/sizes.

if I were doing my own hauling, I'd probably go with a roll up screen. they are super easy to transport. hell, something in the 100-110" range would fit in my car! I can understand if this stuff is getting packed and shipped by a company, it may be more important to have a 'crate' to protect the screen, but the roll up is really easy to get in/out of the house and packed away imo.


I really hate to say it, but with all the restrictions i'm almost thinking an LCD and a closer seating distance might be more practical. I feel like without having any control over lighting and room treatments, it's very unlikely you're going to get a great image from a projector. watchable sure, but not something that will keep up with your plasma during the day time.
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