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post #1111 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

I use a calibration DVD and upconverting DVD player to calibrate the inputs on all my TVs, then for something like the Homeworx I'd tweak the settings to my personal preference. I like the idea of using a USB drive with a test pattern, I hadn't thought of that. I suppose it would be possible to copy a calibration DVD or even BD to the drive but it may be CP'd in which case you'd need a program to remove any CP.
I use the THX test patterns on my DVD of Monsters Inc. and I believe other select DVDs have the same test patterns, for BDs I use a S&M calibration BD I bought on of Amazon.
When HD was first coming out channels like HDNet(I think that was the one) or even OTA stations would frequently broadcast test patterns, not so much anymore.

Anyone know of any test patterns here on AVS?
post #1112 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Anyone know of any test patterns here on AVS?

This is the most widely used calibration tool: www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
If you have questions about it, you should ask in that thread.
post #1113 of 1229
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Every thursday morning the CBS network runs a test that your local affiliate should pass through, just saw it this morning at 3:55 am eastern.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuhweUYZAmo


http://hopa.memberclicks.net/assets/2013presentations/2013_tr_pres_rpseidel_signal_quality.pdf


You could just set your dvr to record it.

You absolutely made my day with that! Perfect.
post #1114 of 1229
That was a really helpful PDF you sent! That's absolutely perfect since I have the blue filter glasses to check.

post #1115 of 1229
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

dornanu thanks for the info unfortunately the drive started beeping last night after trying to get the files back and the computer would not recognize it. The warranty is until April 2015, so If I do have a problem I can send it in for repair if it happens again. I'm sure glad I didn't have anything very important on there, besides the shows I taped and the last tonight shows.mad.gif Sending it out this week to them to get my replacement. Still a bummer, since I never had a problem with my other WD till this drive. mad.gif So maybe the homeworx had nothing to do with the drive. The guy told me on the phone their is a DVR WD drive: http://www.amazon.com/Book-Expander-eSATA-External-Drive/dp/B003MVZ60S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391961163&sr=8-1&keywords=DVR+Expander+My+Book+AV

Well I got the drive back from on Wed (WD 2TB Passport) and still the same problem it does not recognize the PC or the PVR, so now they are sending me a double cable for for more power to use on my PC, so now I'm looking for a Seagate DVR drive for the HW. Anyone here using one? This is very frustrating that these hard drives suck.mad.gif
post #1116 of 1229
What a pain. Knock on wood but both my Hitachi and Seagate portable (2.5 inch) drives have been flawless. The WD DVR drive is designed for continuous video recording like you'd have with a security system or TIVO or Sat box that has a live buffer. The 150PVR is not continuously sending video unless you set it to record 24/7. One seems to need a low power drive more than a DVR type drive. The DVR type drive may not be the right thing to use with a 150PVR.
Edited by ColdCase - 2/24/14 at 5:58am
post #1117 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

It seems like simply checking the guide on your PC would be less hassle than downloading the guide, unplugging the HDD from the Homeworx, copying the guide to the HDD, and plugging the HDD back into the Homeworx.
Checking the guide: certainly.

Scheduling recordings from the guide: it depends. Presumably you'd copy the guide to the HDD once every day or two. (There's no real need to do it every day if it goes out a week or more.) If you schedule recordings more often than you copy the guide, this could still be more convenient than checking the guide on your PC and entering the dates and times into your Homeworx via the remote.

The ultimate solution, though, would probably be something like Freeguide on your PC coupled with an IR blaster, so you could program your Homeworx to record by simply clicking on a show in Freeguide.
post #1118 of 1229
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

One other thing I've noticed on my HW-150 is sometimes when I record a sporting event it will record part of it then just crap out.

Last Sunday I recorded the college basketball game on CBS (WCCO). I had it set for 2:30:00 yet it recorded only 1:41:55. After that the timer (that shows onscreen when recording) stayed at that but my hard drive continued to whirl. I have a Western Digital 320GB drive that has a bright green circle on the front. Solid green means on. Blinking means its doing "something" (usually recording) and it continued to blink on and off even though it wasn't recording. Its formatted to NFTS (or NTFS whatever its called) wink.gif
My CBS (WCCO) is O&O (so no subchanels) and the file was over 12GB (I think it was up to 12.48 when it died) so I thought maybe the file was too big.

Tried my local Fox (also O&O) and let it record for 2+ hours and it worked fine. But was only 11GB or so (there is a subchannel)

Later that day I just let it record on CBS. It worked fine and I stopped it at 2 hours something and it was 14GB. I know it has done this during college football season where it "just stops" recording for no reason

Anybody else run into this?

had same issue last night. Was recording a program on a subchannel and it died at 1:47:55 (was set to 2:30:00). Couldn't stop the program and actually had to power off the HW150 (pushing the button on the front) AND unplug the hard drive from A/C (If I don't when I power up the HW150 it says "USB drive removed" for everything to come back as it should.
post #1119 of 1229
When mine has done this it seemed to be correlated with a intermittent poor signal condition. The PVR seems to go off into never never land, produces USB drive activity but nothing is recorded. This has happened 15 minutes into an afternoon 30 minute recording. After I improved the antenna connection a bit and unplugged the HDMI (as another poster mentioned, using HDMI seems to degrade receiver performance) I have not seen this issue... but its only been a week.

My theory is the the PVR does not handle signal dropouts gracefully under all conditions. But a theory is just a theory. The longer the recording the more likely you will get a signal drop off that the PVR doesn't like. You could be getting a strong RF signal, but multi-path or interference causes the PVR receiver to lose its way. Dropouts are not uncommon among OTA digital receivers, but losing their way no so much..
post #1120 of 1229
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Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post

When mine has done this it seemed to be correlated with a intermittent poor signal condition. The PVR seems to go off into never never land, produces USB drive activity but nothing is recorded. This has happened 15 minutes into an afternoon 30 minute recording. After I improved the antenna connection a bit and unplugged the HDMI (as another poster mentioned, using HDMI seems to degrade receiver performance) I have not seen this issue... but its only been a week.

My theory is the the PVR does not handle signal dropouts gracefully under all conditions. But a theory is just a theory. The longer the recording the more likely you will get a signal drop off that the PVR doesn't like. You could be getting a strong RF signal, but multi-path or interference causes the PVR receiver to lose its way. Dropouts are not uncommon among OTA digital receivers, but losing their way no so much..

Funny you said dropouts. Today I tried something because I live near the train and when it passes by it breaks up the picture I tried everything moved the antenna every which way and still was getting it. I put a black heavy plastic bag over the whole antenna and so far no break ups when the train passes by. Fingers crossed. Hope this helps people.
post #1121 of 1229
If that doesn't work out, you could try just putting a screen on the train side of the antenna. You may be getting a direct signal and one bouncing of the train, they arrive at the antenna at a bit different time which they can near cancel each other out or the receiver just has some difficulty picking the wheat from the chaff.
post #1122 of 1229
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Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post

When mine has done this it seemed to be correlated with a intermittent poor signal condition. The PVR seems to go off into never never land, produces USB drive activity but nothing is recorded. This has happened 15 minutes into an afternoon 30 minute recording. After I improved the antenna connection a bit and unplugged the HDMI (as another poster mentioned, using HDMI seems to degrade receiver performance) I have not seen this issue... but its only been a week.

My theory is the the PVR does not handle signal dropouts gracefully under all conditions. But a theory is just a theory. The longer the recording the more likely you will get a signal drop off that the PVR doesn't like. You could be getting a strong RF signal, but multi-path or interference causes the PVR receiver to lose its way. Dropouts are not uncommon among OTA digital receivers, but losing their way no so much..

Signal shows 92% on the meter (but then again I dont believe any of that as I have other channels that show 55% and on other meters...converter box and TV...show the same).
I have recorded many shows on the particular channel with no issues. Just that one time. Recorded a hockey game last night (2 1/2 hours) on a different channel and no issues

Never seen it happen on a 1/2 hour show...just the "longer" shows
post #1123 of 1229
I dont know if its been mentioned but contrary to what the manual says you CAN record one channel while watching a different RF channel. Yes I know you can watch the channels in the same mux (RF station) while recording but I stumbled upon recording say PBS while watching NBC.

I had a timer set to record something on PBS yesterday. I had the receiver on NBC and powered it off. When the timer fired it switched to PBS (2-1 RF34). If you hit the "RECALL" button on the remote it goes to the last channel you were on. In this case it was NBC (11-1 RF11). Now the on screen display will stay on the screen. Work around to that? Type in a bogus channel number (like 99-999) and it will say "no channel" and the info on the screen disappears.
Now you can't change channels (you'll get the popup screen of wanting to stop). But at least I could watch NBC while recording PBS.
post #1124 of 1229
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

Signal shows 92% on the meter (but then again I dont believe any of that as I have other channels that show 55% and on other meters...converter box and TV...show the same).
I have recorded many shows on the particular channel with no issues. Just that one time. Recorded a hockey game last night (2 1/2 hours) on a different channel and no issues

Never seen it happen on a 1/2 hour show...just the "longer" shows

You could have 100% signal and still have reception issues due to multi-path distortion. Multi-path could be coming from a wide variety of source, a plane flying over head or miles away, a moving truck next door, leaves blowing in the wind, a metal roof down the street..... just saying that digital OTA TV may not be as simple as we think and could be an explanation to some of the PVR quirks we see.
post #1125 of 1229
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Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post

If that doesn't work out, you could try just putting a screen on the train side of the antenna. You may be getting a direct signal and one bouncing of the train, they arrive at the antenna at a bit different time which they can near cancel each other out or the receiver just has some difficulty picking the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks CC! What kind of screen? Maybe a pic? I have this antenna on my fire escape: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TIELEM/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's been good so far. I thought I would get bad reception with it covered, but it's been great so far. Snow, wind and rain hopefully will be the same. We will see since a storm is on it's way to NY, again.mad.gif
post #1126 of 1229
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

I dont know if its been mentioned but contrary to what the manual says you CAN record one channel while watching a different RF channel. Yes I know you can watch the channels in the same mux (RF station) while recording but I stumbled upon recording say PBS while watching NBC.

I had a timer set to record something on PBS yesterday. I had the receiver on NBC and powered it off. When the timer fired it switched to PBS (2-1 RF34). If you hit the "RECALL" button on the remote it goes to the last channel you were on. In this case it was NBC (11-1 RF11). Now the on screen display will stay on the screen. Work around to that? Type in a bogus channel number (like 99-999) and it will say "no channel" and the info on the screen disappears.
Now you can't change channels (you'll get the popup screen of wanting to stop). But at least I could watch NBC while recording PBS.

When I tried this running iview firmware, it recorded the station I was viewing, not the one set to record. In your example above, it would mean: I set it to record PBS; left it on NBC before the recording; after the recording started on PBS, I used "recall" (which is called "return" on the iview remote) and it switched to NBC; when I played back the recording, the recording was of NBC, not PBS after the time I hit recall. So it recorded whichever station was showing on screen at the time.

I'm sure you will find the same thing since the box only has a single tuner. This means it's impossible to watch one channel and record another (except for subchannels) since it can't tune in two separate channels at once.
Edited by jprc - 3/1/14 at 5:58pm
post #1127 of 1229
well after reading that I did a test this morning to see what happens. Let it record 30 seconds then hit recall for a 30 seconds or so then flipped back.

Found out if I switch to the other channel using recall it still records but there is nothing there. If you are watching the program on playback, when you switched to other station the playback just freezes.

so I guess back to the drawing board......
post #1128 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

With HW firmware this does work. You can watch one subchannel while recording a different subchannel, as long as both subchannels are on the same RF channel, so the HW's single tuner can receive them both.

If you try to tune to a different RF channel while recording, you get a warning screen letting you know that you'll stop your recording if you proceed.

Of course, another way to watch one channel while recording another is to use loop-through (or a splitter) to send the RF to your TV's tuner as well as your HW.


You didn't read the posts correctly. What you are talking about had always been possible on all versions of firmware on both the homeworx and iview and does not require tuning in two separate channels.
post #1129 of 1229
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

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Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post

If that doesn't work out, you could try just putting a screen on the train side of the antenna. You may be getting a direct signal and one bouncing of the train, they arrive at the antenna at a bit different time which they can near cancel each other out or the receiver just has some difficulty picking the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks CC! What kind of screen? Maybe a pic? I have this antenna on my fire escape: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002TIELEM/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It's been good so far. I thought I would get bad reception with it covered, but it's been great so far. Snow, wind and rain hopefully will be the same. We will see since a storm is on it's way to NY, again.mad.gif
Try an aluminum window screen. Not fiberglass - the screen needs to be metal to block the RF signal reflecting off the train. And make sure the screen is at least as wide and high as the antenna (even bigger if it'll be placed a long way from the antenna; RF signals can diffract around the edges). Your best bet would be to place the screen next to the antenna so it makes a 90-degree angle with it, then aim the antenna directly at your TV towers. That way there'll be no reflection off the screen itself; it will simply block incoming reflections from reaching the antenna.

That Winegard is supposed to be a pretty good small antenna; its only issue is that it's not very directional, so it's hard to aim it to reject reflected signals, especially if they're coming from within 60 degrees of the direct signal. An aluminum screen is probably the cheapest fix you can try.
post #1130 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Try an aluminum window screen. Not fiberglass - the screen needs to be metal to block the RF signal reflecting off the train. And make sure the screen is at least as wide and high as the antenna (even bigger if it'll be placed a long way from the antenna; RF signals can diffract around the edges). Your best bet would be to place the screen next to the antenna so it makes a 90-degree angle with it, then aim the antenna directly at your TV towers. That way there'll be no reflection off the screen itself; it will simply block incoming reflections from reaching the antenna.

That Winegard is supposed to be a pretty good small antenna; its only issue is that it's not very directional, so it's hard to aim it to reject reflected signals, especially if they're coming from within 60 degrees of the direct signal. An aluminum screen is probably the cheapest fix you can try.

Thanks JH where do I get that screen from? pic or link? also what budget antenna would you recommend that does not cause this issue?
post #1131 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

With HW firmware this does work. You can watch one subchannel while recording a different subchannel, as long as both subchannels are on the same RF channel, so the HW's single tuner can receive them both.

If you try to tune to a different RF channel while recording, you get a warning screen letting you know that you'll stop your recording if you proceed.

Of course, another way to watch one channel while recording another is to use loop-through (or a splitter) to send the RF to your TV's tuner as well as your HW.
You didn't read the posts correctly. What you are talking about had always been possible on all versions of firmware on both the homeworx and iview and does not require tuning in two separate channels.
My apologies. However, I think it bears repeating on occasion, as not all HW/iView users are aware you can record one subchannel while watching another on the same RF channel.

It appears Unclehonkey actually discovered another firmware bug. Pressing recall/return while recording should behave the same as trying to change channels directly, bringing up the warning screen if it would change to a different RF channel.
Edited by JHBrandt - 3/2/14 at 6:13pm
post #1132 of 1229
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Try an aluminum window screen. Not fiberglass - the screen needs to be metal to block the RF signal reflecting off the train. And make sure the screen is at least as wide and high as the antenna (even bigger if it'll be placed a long way from the antenna; RF signals can diffract around the edges). Your best bet would be to place the screen next to the antenna so it makes a 90-degree angle with it, then aim the antenna directly at your TV towers. That way there'll be no reflection off the screen itself; it will simply block incoming reflections from reaching the antenna.

That Winegard is supposed to be a pretty good small antenna; its only issue is that it's not very directional, so it's hard to aim it to reject reflected signals, especially if they're coming from within 60 degrees of the direct signal. An aluminum screen is probably the cheapest fix you can try.

Thanks JH where do I get that screen from? pic or link? also what budget antenna would you recommend that does not cause this issue?
I was able to buy bulk aluminum screen in rolls from Lowe's (Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc. should have it too); cut it to size with scissors (the aluminum wires are very fine and easy to cut); and just staple it to a wooden frame. Or you could make a frame from PVC plumbing pipes and fittings (also available at Lowe's, Home Depot, etc.) and just roll the edges of the screen around the pipe and glue it in place (with, say, a hot glue gun). Or you might be able to salvage a window screen from an actual window, if you know someone who's replacing their windows.
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post #1134 of 1229
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

Thanks JH you rule! This looks like it might work: http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Wire-72253-Adjustable/dp/B001PNIJ4U/ref=sr_1_2?s=hardware&ie=UTF8&qid=1393814413&sr=1-2


Looks like you are on the right track.

RF and digital OTA is kind of a "black art". You may have to experiment a bit with screen location and mounting. It may also help to connect a ground wire, i.e. a wire from the coax antenna cable shield or ground, to the metal screen. You may not need it.

The best practice method to circumvent interference is to use a very directional antenna, which are typically large and are not budget antennas. Because they are directional and if the TV towers for the TV you watch are more than one direction, you need a rotator... or a separate antenna pointed toward each tower location. You can get into big $$ pretty quick. Give the screen a shot, or go back to the bag. It may work well enough for you. Moving the antenna just one foot higher or lower can also have a big effect.

There is nothing special about the PVR over other receivers so many of the topics discussed in the antenna sub forum could be useful;

http://www.avsforum.com/f/25/hdtv-technical
Edited by ColdCase - 3/2/14 at 7:46pm
post #1135 of 1229
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Originally Posted by ColdCase View Post

Looks like you are on the right track.

RF and digital OTA is kind of a "black art". You may have to experiment a bit with screen location and mounting. It may also help to connect a ground wire, i.e. a wire from the coax antenna cable shield or ground, to the metal screen. You may not need it.

The best practice method to circumvent interference is to use a very directional antenna, which are typically large and are not budget antennas. Because they are directional and if the TV towers for the TV you watch are more than one direction, you need a rotator... or a separate antenna pointed toward each tower location. You can get into big $$ pretty quick. Give the screen a shot, or go back to the bag. It may work well enough for you. Moving the antenna just one foot higher or lower can also have a big effect.

There is nothing special about the PVR over other receivers so many of the topics discussed in the antenna sub forum could be useful;

http://www.avsforum.com/f/25/hdtv-technical

Thanks CC I'll post to see if there are more suggestions. I really appreciate the help JH and CC. You guys are invalulable. I posted it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1520956/train-near-me-causes-breakups-with-my-antenna-in-nyc
Edited by afterlife2 - 3/4/14 at 1:21pm
post #1136 of 1229
There is now another clone of the atsc msd7816 called a Axess-CB-3001 looks like a Naxa nt-52.

http://www.axessusa.com/manuals/CB3001_Manual.pdf
Edited by satpro - 3/4/14 at 9:56pm
post #1137 of 1229
Hmm.... No component video or coaxial audio - seems to resemble Wal*Mart's Ematic most closely. Remote looks the same too.

Why on earth did they move the USB port to the rear panel?
post #1138 of 1229
I recently got this box, hooked up with an indoor antenna, and was able to get most OTA channels, so I am mostly happy. One channel I miss the most is NBC at channel 12 which is VHF. The signal strength is at about 20%, but other channels at comparable strength work. So I am wondering if there is anything special about VHF as all received channels are UHF. Another question is how to adjust recording quality. I note that my recording is at 720x480 when playing the media on PC. Is it configurable? I now connect the box to an old CRT TV via composite. Does it play a role?
post #1139 of 1229
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Originally Posted by starbucks66 View Post

I recently got this box, hooked up with an indoor antenna, and was able to get most OTA channels, so I am mostly happy. One channel I miss the most is NBC at channel 12 which is VHF. The signal strength is at about 20%, but other channels at comparable strength work. So I am wondering if there is anything special about VHF as all received channels are UHF. Another question is how to adjust recording quality. I note that my recording is at 720x480 when playing the media on PC. Is it configurable? I now connect the box to an old CRT TV via composite. Does it play a role?

It's your antenna that is limiting you from getting in the vhf station. First, make sure it is not a UHF only antenna. Second, any indoor antenna is going to be limited in reception. If you can put an antenna anywhere outdoors - on a fire escape for example - if the roof is not an option, then do so. I personally am in a position where I can only use an indoor antenna myself, and if you don't have a choice then you just have to experiment with different locations and positions and different antennas to find how you can get the best reception and the most channels.

The recording resolution will vary by channel/station depending on what they are transmitting. Are you seeing that resolution even on CBS?
post #1140 of 1229
The elements on your antenna should be at least 6" long for you to receive high VHF channels (7-13). If the elements are shorter than that, you'll probably only be able to pick up UHF channels. A small antenna is going to have more troube pulling in VHF than UHF regardless, though, as it's harder to receive long wavelength stations with small elements. If you have multiple VHF stations, you may want to get a standard VHF/UHF antenna (the kind that has long, fold-out arms that make the antenna look like an arrow). You can't mount them indoors, but rabbit ears are about the only type of indoor antenna capable of receiving low VHF stations (2-6). Very few markets have any low VHF stations since the DTV transition, though.
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