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post #391 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Most of these DVRs have some type of Linux under their hoods, so they would theoretically be able to read ext2.
This unit does not run Linux. U-Boot loads and executes a standalone program which probably incorporates a micro-kernel.

MStar does have other SoCs used in TVs that do run Linux.
post #392 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Here is a very general breakdown on the kind of file sizes you might see for one hour of programming:

720p: 4 GB.
I've seen recordings of 1 hour use about 6.5GB of disk space from a 720p channel (Fox affiliate).
Like you wrote, it depends on the transmitted bit rate.

Regards
post #393 of 1229
I finally received my unit and set it up. It came with the v13 firmware out of the box and wouldn't pick up any of my (TWC) basic cable channels. Luckily I had already downloaded the v12 QAM firmware and installed that. Then the box picked up ALL of the available channels, whether they offered programming or not. It took me about 45 minutes to figure out which channel was which and what was safe to get rid of. Then the next day I took a few minutes to delete all the blank and junk channels. Now I'm having difficulty renaming channels. Has anyone here had success doing so? If so, how?

I also initially had issues getting Dolby Digital working, but then I realized that was an issue with my receiver rather than with this tuner box. I simply had to enter the receiver's settings and tell it that the input I connected to was digital coaxial and from there it was smooth sailing. Next, I'm going to split the cable input so that I don't run the TV signal through the tuner box when not actively using said box; I'm picky about stuff like that.

I have yet to try recording anything, but that will happen when everything else is settled in, as I bought this box primarily for its RAW digital output. PVR functions are just icing on the cake.
post #394 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

For the highest bitrate stations that is correct that you will only get a bit over half an hour of timeshifting. That is not dependent on the format/file system of your drive. The 4GB max timeshifting is a firmware limitation.

You can record for as long as the capacity of your drive allows. With FAT32 it will divide the recording into multiple files that will play as one file on the homeworx but on your computer will be segments. I know there are programs that allow you to use NTFS drives with Macs. You may want to look into those because with NTFS format it will record in a single file.

Thanks to all for the replies.

A little bummed about maxing timeshift at 30 minutes for HD, but if it's a firmware issue then I guess there is nothing to be done about it.

So just to clarify, while FAT32 will split a longer recording into multiple files it will automatically play them consecutively? I.e. the unit knows it should be a single file, so I won't have to end one recording then pull up the next to continue?

As long as it plays the files back-to-back without user input then it's not a problem for me as this will only be used for TV playback and not transferred to a PC.
post #395 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

That's because MP4 doesn't allow Dolby Digital. It's a limited container that's only designed to handle AVC and AAC. If you want support for other codecs, you should use MKV.

AC3 being allowed into MP4 is not how MP4 originally was developed. However the standard now allows for it. But then again I might be confusing my PS3's lack of ability to play mp3 in MP4 video rather than AC3.. I'll have to check that again.
post #396 of 1229
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Thanks to all for the replies.

A little bummed about maxing timeshift at 30 minutes for HD, but if it's a firmware issue then I guess there is nothing to be done about it.

So just to clarify, while FAT32 will split a longer recording into multiple files it will automatically play them consecutively? I.e. the unit knows it should be a single file, so I won't have to end one recording then pull up the next to continue?

As long as it plays the files back-to-back without user input then it's not a problem for me as this will only be used for TV playback and not transferred to a PC.

Here is something you might try to circumvent the limited timeshifting allocation of 4 GB. That limitation is ONLY effective when ONLY in timeshifting mode. If you hit RECORD and start recording whatever you're watching, then later hit PAUSE, it will pause what you're watching while STILL RECORDING (timeshifting) and it will not have a 4GB limitation. The limitation will be the size of your drive and/or whenever you hit STOP.
post #397 of 1229
Thread Starter 
HW-150PVR with V8 and V13 Firmware versions , both are for new remote layout

V8 firmware is same as V13, the only difference is in V13 homeworx logo was added to every menu, which factory forgot in V8

So if you just bought a HW-150PVR and it came with V8, that is the newest . DO NOT update to V10 (as is for old remote layout only)
and not need to ask for V13, Since is same as V8

And if you just bought a HW-150PVR and came with V13, that is same as V8 . so no update is needed

for V13 QAM would be same as V12 QAM with new remote layout
but if you want to say V13 then here http://www.sendspace.com/file/dl7lbl
post #398 of 1229
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Originally Posted by MediasonicEast View Post

HW-150PVR with V8 and V13 Firmware versions , both are for new remote layout
V8 firmware is same as V13, the only difference is in V13 homeworx logo was added to every menu, which factory forgot in V8

So if you just bought a HW-150PVR and it came with V8, that is the newest . DO NOT update to V10 (as is for old remote layout only)
and not need to ask for V13, Since is same as V8

And if you just bought a HW-150PVR and came with V13, that is same as V8 . so no update is needed

for V13 QAM would be same as V12 QAM with new remote layout
but if you want to say V13 then here http://www.sendspace.com/file/dl7lbl

Although I have no cable subscription at all, I think it's great that you guys have released a firmware that can at least tune in the QAM channels. At least people can watch and even record them on demand, rather than schedule but that's still a great feature!
post #399 of 1229
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Originally Posted by MediasonicEast View Post

HW-150PVR with V8 and V13 Firmware versions , both are for new remote layout

V8 firmware is same as V13, the only difference is in V13 homeworx logo was added to every menu, which factory forgot in V8

So if you just bought a HW-150PVR and it came with V8, that is the newest . DO NOT update to V10 (as is for old remote layout only)
and not need to ask for V13, Since is same as V8

And if you just bought a HW-150PVR and came with V13, that is same as V8 . so no update is needed

for V13 QAM would be same as V12 QAM with new remote layout
but if you want to say V13 then here http://www.sendspace.com/file/dl7lbl

Any possible update on the midnight bug that I posted I was still having on this V13 firmware that came with my unit?
post #400 of 1229
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Thanks to all for the replies.

A little bummed about maxing timeshift at 30 minutes for HD, but if it's a firmware issue then I guess there is nothing to be done about it.

So just to clarify, while FAT32 will split a longer recording into multiple files it will automatically play them consecutively? I.e. the unit knows it should be a single file, so I won't have to end one recording then pull up the next to continue?

As long as it plays the files back-to-back without user input then it's not a problem for me as this will only be used for TV playback and not transferred to a PC.

Something else I've noticed, which may or maynot already be posted in this thread, is that if your device is in the middle of recording something you've scheduled, let's say you got home at 8:45pm and the unit started recording a show at 8:00pm that goes for an hour. You can just hit PLAY and it will start playing the recording from the beginning while still recording up to the scheduled time. Now I don't think it will keep recording the next show if you're still watching the former one, that would be a nice feature but again, this is a kind of timeshifting without the 4GB lmitation.
post #401 of 1229
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Originally Posted by avoiceoreason View Post

Thanks to all for the replies.

A little bummed about maxing timeshift at 30 minutes for HD, but if it's a firmware issue then I guess there is nothing to be done about it.

So just to clarify, while FAT32 will split a longer recording into multiple files it will automatically play them consecutively? I.e. the unit knows it should be a single file, so I won't have to end one recording then pull up the next to continue?

As long as it plays the files back-to-back without user input then it's not a problem for me as this will only be used for TV playback and not transferred to a PC.

Yes, as long as you play it on the homeworx, it will play seamlessly as one continuous file. You will not even see evidence that it has divided it into multiple files and you will only see one file to play on the PVR page.

It is only if you attach the drive to your computer or transfer the files that you will see it is really multiple files and then they will not play consecutively as is without intervention. On the computer, you either need to play them manually one after the other or rename the extensions and combine the files.
post #402 of 1229
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Originally Posted by petermg View Post

AC3 being allowed into MP4 is not how MP4 originally was developed. However the standard now allows for it.

You can mux other formats into MP4 by using private streams, but hardware players don't support them, which defeats the point of using MP4 in the first place. An MP4 with AVC and a DD private stream will appear as a video with no audio in most hardware players.
post #403 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

You can mux other formats into MP4 by using private streams, but hardware players don't support them, which defeats the point of using MP4 in the first place. An MP4 with AVC and a DD private stream will appear as a video with no audio in most hardware players.

Well thankfully all FOUR of my hardware players play it just fine. I was wrong about the PS3 not being able to play it. It's the MP4 files with MP3 audio it plays with no sound. My Vizio TV, PS3, and two WD TV wifi media players all play my MP4 with AC3 audio files biggrin.gif The PS3 shows the audio Dolby Digital.
post #404 of 1229
I grabbed one of these after reading it could do clear QAM. Then I did some more reading to make sure I was up to date, and find out that QAM support has been removed. I figured no big deal, I'll install the V12 firmware to make it work. Unfortunately I got around to setting it up today, V12 firmware won't load, says it has V13, and it's not reading any of my clear QAM channels (or OTA). In short, it doesn't see anything, period. Looks like it's junk and no reason to keep it. I'll look at the iview 3500 somebody else posted. Looks like the same hardware, but with functional firmware.
Edited by tarsellis - 10/19/13 at 2:30pm
post #405 of 1229
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Originally Posted by tarsellis View Post

I grabbed one of these after reading it could do clear QAM. Then I did some more reading to make sure I was up to date, and find out that QAM support has been removed. I figured no big deal, I'll install the V12 firmware to make it work. Unfortunately I got around to setting it up today, V12 firmware won't load, says it has V13, and it's not reading any of my clear QAM channels (or OTA). In short, it doesn't see anything, period. Looks like it's junk and no reason to keep it. I'll look at the iview 3500 somebody else posted. Looks like the same hardware, but with functional firmware.

Mediasonic just posted in post #397 the QAM firmware for your version of hardware. If you tried to install version 12 you were not supposed to. I can't tell you if the correct version will work since I don't have cable but at least install the correct firmware first before saying it doesn't work.

It is true that you can expect more future QAM support from iview than homeworx. But the latest iview firmware versions are quite unpopular with QAM users as it relies solely on virtual channel numbers and most QAM users have had to revert to old firmware that does not include major recording fixes. So right now, the Homeworx QAM firmware is better than the iview QAM firmware.
post #406 of 1229
HW-150PVR QAM Rev. 01 Firmware V12.zip 2972k .zip file
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Originally Posted by tarsellis View Post

I grabbed one of these after reading it could do clear QAM. Then I did some more reading to make sure I was up to date, and find out that QAM support has been removed. I figured no big deal, I'll install the V12 firmware to make it work. Unfortunately I got around to setting it up today, V12 firmware won't load, says it has V13, and it's not reading any of my clear QAM channels (or OTA). In short, it doesn't see anything, period. Looks like it's junk and no reason to keep it. I'll look at the iview 3500 somebody else posted. Looks like the same hardware, but with functional firmware.

I have HW-150PVR QAM Rev. 01 Firmware V12.zip file and hope this this a good update. This is what I am using now
post #407 of 1229
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Originally Posted by tarsellis View Post

I grabbed one of these after reading it could do clear QAM. Then I did some more reading to make sure I was up to date, and find out that QAM support has been removed. I figured no big deal, I'll install the V12 firmware to make it work. Unfortunately I got around to setting it up today, V12 firmware won't load, says it has V13, and it's not reading any of my clear QAM channels (or OTA). In short, it doesn't see anything, period. Looks like it's junk and no reason to keep it. I'll look at the iview 3500 somebody else posted. Looks like the same hardware, but with functional firmware.
HW-150PVR_V12_QAM firmware_New Remote.zip 2970k .zip file

I have another V12 for new remote HW-150PVR_V12_QAM firmware_New Remote.zip, I never use it. Hopefully it is a good version
post #408 of 1229
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Originally Posted by tarsellis View Post

I grabbed one of these after reading it could do clear QAM. Then I did some more reading to make sure I was up to date, and find out that QAM support has been removed. I figured no big deal, I'll install the V12 firmware to make it work. Unfortunately I got around to setting it up today, V12 firmware won't load, says it has V13, and it's not reading any of my clear QAM channels (or OTA). In short, it doesn't see anything, period. Looks like it's junk and no reason to keep it. I'll look at the iview 3500 somebody else posted. Looks like the same hardware, but with functional firmware.

Initially, the firmware my brand new box had wouldn't work, picking up NO channels. I used an older QAM firmware that let me catch a TON of channels, most of which were blank. I was able to delete the blank ones but not rename them. This was because the firmware I was using (v12 QAM) was for the old remote.

I used the previously mentioned v13 QAM firmware and it does EXACTLY what I want it to. The one strange thing I've noticed is that the box is picky about certain thumb drives, seeing some for recording purposes but not to upload the new firmware from.

I finally got it all set up on my basic analog cable from TWC. No worries, just put a little effort into it.

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
Edited by liteon163 - 10/19/13 at 7:23pm
post #409 of 1229
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Originally Posted by petermg View Post

Something else I've noticed, which may or maynot already be posted in this thread, is that if your device is in the middle of recording something you've scheduled, let's say you got home at 8:45pm and the unit started recording a show at 8:00pm that goes for an hour. You can just hit PLAY and it will start playing the recording from the beginning while still recording up to the scheduled time. Now I don't think it will keep recording the next show if you're still watching the former one, that would be a nice feature but again, this is a kind of timeshifting without the 4GB lmitation.

I was wondering about this. I was under the impression that you had to wait for the recoding to finish before you could start watching it, so this is very good to know.

Also your comment about just hitting record and then pause would work fine for my situation. Again, I didn't think this was possible because I didn't think you could watch while it was actively recording, outside of timeshift mode. I'm going to go try this right now. Thanks!
post #410 of 1229
Thanks guys, that did the trick. I also had to switch USB drives. Odd that it could see the firmware, but couldn't install it from the drive. I'll play around with the unit some more later, but at least everything is working as expected now and I'll be able to keep the unit.

Thanks again Liteon, png, and jprc.
post #411 of 1229
I've been using this unit for a couple weeks, updated firmware and loving it for the most part. However, I have had several shows I've scheduled through the epg that only record the first 10-15 minutes or so. My hard drive has plenty of space and this happens maybe 25% of the time. I love this device but I want it to be reliable.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?
post #412 of 1229
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Originally Posted by tarsellis View Post

Thanks guys, that did the trick. I also had to switch USB drives. Odd that it could see the firmware, but couldn't install it from the drive. I'll play around with the unit some more later, but at least everything is working as expected now and I'll be able to keep the unit.

Thanks again Liteon, png, and jprc.
Might be the way the drive is formatted. I tried to install firmware from a NTFS-formatted HDD and had the same issue. It would show the firmware file but when I tried to install it, it just rebooted without installing. I tried again from a FAT32-formatted flash drive and it installed.
post #413 of 1229
Sorry folks, but I have to go back a few steps.

Had mine for about a week. Didnt originally purchase it for the PVR function. Only media I have is a 32 gig class 10 MicroSD card (and usb thumb reader)....actually have two different brands MicroSD cards both claiming to be Class 10.

Problem is, when I record, I get a flashing yellow (intermittent) and very jumpy recordings. Using original V8 firmware which came preinstalled. Suggestions....? Is it possible it is the reader?? Every indication I have is the Class 10 Micro SD cards should be fine (I formatted them on the unit).. I have also ordered a 2 Gig Seagate drive but after reading reviews now realize it may only be rated for slower speeds than originally anticipated. The channels I have tried to record all come it at 100% signal strength and show no jumping during normal viewing.. [When correctly recording should it be solid yellow (or perhaps even solid green)?]

Suggestions?? Sorry was originally REALLY pleased with the purchase [HDMI output tuner] but now am frustrated with the PVR function. I dont seem to see where other people have experienced the same problem, so am a bit perplexed. Thanks for all responses in advance...
post #414 of 1229
As a quick addendum. Here is the 2 TB external drive I expect delivery on soon. [Seagate Expansion 2TB USB 3.0 Black Desktop Hard Drive STBV2000100] It is said to be a USB3.0 drive (I know 3.0 vs 2.o shouldnt make a difference here) and SATA III (some state runs at 5400RPM and others state the actual drive is 7200RPM). Do you see any issues??
post #415 of 1229
You should have no problem with the Seagate drive. If both SD cards are behaving that way, it may be the card reader. I have successfully recorded on two different Class 4 cards myself.

One question though is are you using an indoor antenna to get your stations? I had to move my indoor antenna very far away from the box to not get interference when recording.
post #416 of 1229
Thanks, actually I have an outdoor antenna (30 ft) plus amplifier etc....have no problems getting great signal on multiple TVs. I do have a fair amount of equipment, so I am interested in your comment about interference...
post #417 of 1229
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Originally Posted by nejpski View Post

Thanks, actually I have an outdoor antenna (30 ft) plus amplifier etc....have no problems getting great signal on multiple TVs. I do have a fair amount of equipment, so I am interested in your comment about interference...

If you are expecting the Seagate soon, I wouldn't put a lot of work into troubleshooting yet. But if you do not have another drive to try or another card reader, then you could try isolating your equipment as much as possible to see if something is interfering. I had to spend time getting my cables situated just right but like I said I have an indoor antenna. Most people with outdoor antennas have not reported interference problems.
post #418 of 1229
Hi,

I am interested in buying the device but I just want to make sure this is the right device for which I'm looking. I do not have cable TV, only internet. Along with my internet though, I am receiving the broadcast channels in HD just by plugging the coax cable to my TV directly (I believe this means that I'm getting them through clearQAM). I recently got a projector though, which does not have a tuner and that is how I stumbled across this little device. From the sounds of it, I believe that this device will work for my scenario. I am looking to plug my coax directly into this device, and then HDMI from here to my AV Receiver. There seems to be some discussion about using QAM with this device and possibly being able to use it or not.

Any thoughts?
post #419 of 1229
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Originally Posted by mehal88 View Post

Hi,

I am interested in buying the device but I just want to make sure this is the right device for which I'm looking. I do not have cable TV, only internet. Along with my internet though, I am receiving the broadcast channels in HD just by plugging the coax cable to my TV directly (I believe this means that I'm getting them through clearQAM). I recently got a projector though, which does not have a tuner and that is how I stumbled across this little device. From the sounds of it, I believe that this device will work for my scenario. I am looking to plug my coax directly into this device, and then HDMI from here to my AV Receiver. There seems to be some discussion about using QAM with this device and possibly being able to use it or not.

Any thoughts?

I use the iview box for a projector. I use a aerial but if your cable tv company has clear qam it should work fine. Not sure where you are but might want to think about trying a aerial could get more local tv then the cable company offers. The box I have is the iview one but if not wrong they have qam firmware for this box a few post back. Saying this might also want to read up on the iview also.
post #420 of 1229
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Originally Posted by troydog View Post

I use the iview box for a projector. I use a aerial but if your cable tv company has clear qam it should work fine. Not sure where you are but might want to think about trying a aerial could get more local tv then the cable company offers. The box I have is the iview one but if not wrong they have qam firmware for this box a few post back. Saying this might also want to read up on the iview also.

Thanks! I saw the iView as well, but it seems like people are liking this box better than the iView. I really only care about CBS, NBC, ABC and Fox. I get close to 20 channels through broadcast but I rarely watch the others. For the most part, I only watch live TV for sports games. The PVR function is likely rarely to be used as well.
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