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post #421 of 1229
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Originally Posted by mehal88 View Post

I do not have cable TV

If you're getting QAM channels from an orphaned coaxial cable, then yes you do. You may not be paying for it, but the cable company is giving you channels in error nonetheless. Aside from the fact that you could get cut off at any time for not paying, your cable company may also decide to encrypt your channels at some point, which would also cut you off. If you're not interested in paying for cable, you should use an antenna. Not only will the HD picture be better than what your cable company is using, but you'll also be able to use the timed DVR functionality, which you can't do over cable, due to channels not having valid clock data.
post #422 of 1229
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Originally Posted by petermg View Post

AC3 being allowed into MP4 is not how MP4 originally was developed. However the standard now allows for it. But then again I might be confusing my PS3's lack of ability to play mp3 in MP4 video rather than AC3.. I'll have to check that again.

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

You can mux other formats into MP4 by using private streams, but hardware players don't support them, which defeats the point of using MP4 in the first place. An MP4 with AVC and a DD private stream will appear as a video with no audio in most hardware players.

Correction, originally I posted that all FOUR of my hardware players play AC3 audio muxed with MP4 video, I left out my FIFTH HARDWARE player... the Homworx HW 150PVR plays them also smile.gif
post #423 of 1229
XMedia Recode might also be outputting MOV files with the .mp4 extension, since the two are similar and the former allows more than AAC audio tracks.
post #424 of 1229
For anyone interested.....in a previous post I was having problems recording from a new unit to a thumbdrive reader with a class 10 microSD card (actually 2 different ones)... I had on order a 2 Gig external drive. The external drive solved the problem, so my conclusion based on input from other users is although the microSD cards might have had sufficient speed for recording, apparently the USBreader did not.

Thanks to all for their help.

One question went unanswered (which I now know the correct answer)...the flashing yellow dot at the top of the screen during recording is a sign of proper recording IF it maintains a consistent speed of flashing...any irregularity probably means a glitch in your recording (if someone else notices the same issue).
post #425 of 1229
There isn't any particular standard (AFAIK) for how SD to USB adapters work, so it's quite possible that certain adapters won't allow the DVR to interface with cards correctly. If the adapter can mask the SD card's identity as a standard USB storage device, the Homeworx theoretically shouldn't know the difference.
post #426 of 1229
Cable TV providers that still have analog cable channels are unable to filter them out when connecting internet customers. This is why the FCC is allowing cable companies to now encrypt those basic cable channels.

So, for those high speed internet customers not subscribing to cable and still getting channels, is that really piracy? I don't think so, as the cable company knows it's going on. That's why they try offering so much more to digital cable customers. And why basic analog cable sucks so much. Well, I'd actually say it's not basic analog cable that sucks. It's the cable company that sucks.

Anyway, as long as you pay for high speed internet and the government makes cable companies offer analog cable, you buy one and get one free. Heck, my cable company (TWC) charges $50 per month for 20 mbps internet and basic analog cable or $60 for just internet.

Now, has anyone noticed that this tuner box displays a picture whose colors are too brilliant? It seems to me all the colors are too vibrant, not biased towards any one color but just too brilliant. It would be nice if there were some more controls for picture quality, but considering the box was only $46 it's already an awesome deal. And the company participation and support here makes it worth even more.

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post #427 of 1229
liteon163;
Compared to what??
post #428 of 1229
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Originally Posted by liteon163 View Post

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Now, has anyone noticed that this tuner box displays a picture whose colors are too brilliant? It seems to me all the colors are too vibrant, not biased towards any one color but just too brilliant. It would be nice if there were some more controls for picture quality, but considering the box was only $46 it's already an awesome deal. And the company participation and support here makes it worth even more.

Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk 4

It's likely your TV settings. I've had it attached to two different TVs and the picture was exactly the same as the picture settings on the TV. If you have a set that allows different picture settings for different sources you may not realize that the TV is using different settings by default for different sources. Mine had different defaults but when I set the same settings as my TV source, they look exactly the same.
post #429 of 1229
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Originally Posted by liteon163 View Post

So, for those high speed internet customers not subscribing to cable and still getting channels, is that really piracy? I don't think so, as the cable company knows it's going on.

HBO knows that millions of people pirate Game of Thrones, but that doesn't make it legal. It just means they don't care, because it doesn't affect them.
post #430 of 1229
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Originally Posted by roddy815 View Post

I've been using this unit for a couple weeks, updated firmware and loving it for the most part. However, I have had several shows I've scheduled through the epg that only record the first 10-15 minutes or so. My hard drive has plenty of space and this happens maybe 25% of the time. I love this device but I want it to be reliable.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?

If you lose "the signal" for even a short time it will stop recording. I've had the unit freeze on me on several occasions when it was performing a scheduled OTA recording. The recording time stops even after the tuner reestablishes a lock; however, the unit becomes unresponsive to the remote requiring a hard reset. I have since made sure I have a clear and strong signal. In addition, you have to give the unit some time to perform its tasks. I've noticed if you give it too many commands too quickly it can freeze up. For example, if you back out the recordings and immediately try to perform other tasks such as a manual recording it can freeze up and stop the recording. I've learned to give it plenty of time and as a measure of insurance I boot the machine (turn it on/off) after heavy use. Since I've taken the last two measures I have yet to have a failed recording.
post #431 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

It's likely your TV settings. I've had it attached to two different TVs and the picture was exactly the same as the picture settings on the TV. If you have a set that allows different picture settings for different sources you may not realize that the TV is using different settings by default for different sources. Mine had different defaults but when I set the same settings as my TV source, they look exactly the same.

I'll have to check into that. I know that when I compare the same TV channel through the box and with the native tuner, the native tuner looks much more natural. Thanks for the suggestion.
post #432 of 1229
I have the HW-150RVR and I'm using coax for sound out and composite out for video, TV doesn't have HDMI. Sounds works fine using RAW, I get DD surround just fine, but sometimes the unit resets the sound output back to PCM.

Also in Program Edit some of the channels I set to skip lose that setting so I had to delete them.
post #433 of 1229
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Originally Posted by canon.tk View Post

I have the HW-150RVR and I'm using coax for sound out and composite out for video, TV doesn't have HDMI. Sounds works fine using RAW, I get DD surround just fine, but sometimes the unit resets the sound output back to PCM.

Also in Program Edit some of the channels I set to skip lose that setting so I had to delete them.

I'm afraid the current firmware is not bulletproof. It has a few really annoying gremlins. Deleted channels will eventually come back to annoy. In my situation, it is the sub-channels of the ION channel. No matter how many times I delete them they eventually reappear. It happens more readily when you perform a hard reset with the front button. Once in a blue moon, it also loses a scheduled recording. I review the scheduled recording list on a daily basis to keep the gremlins at bay. Even with these quirks, I really enjoy playing with this inexpensive toy. From my perspective, it has payed for itself in providing me with High Def files of TV shows and documentaries that are not available commercially (NATURE, NOVA, Castle, etc.).
post #434 of 1229
"Cable TV providers that still have analog cable channels are unable to filter them out when connecting internet customers. This is why the FCC is allowing cable companies to now encrypt those basic cable channels.

So, for those high speed internet customers not subscribing to cable and still getting channels, is that really piracy? I don't think so, as the cable company knows it's going on. That's why they try offering so much more to digital cable customers. And why basic analog cable sucks so much. Well, I'd actually say it's not basic analog cable that sucks. It's the cable company that sucks.

Anyway, as long as you pay for high speed internet and the government makes cable companies offer analog cable, you buy one and get one free. Heck, my cable company (TWC) charges $50 per month for 20 mbps internet and basic analog cable or $60 for just internet."



I find this EXTREMELY informative and that certainly explains some friends Hi Speed internet and "free" cable they are receiving. I will stay away from some of the other ethical comments. So many people scream NOT ETHICAL in some situations, but certainly manage to OVERLOOK those same ethics in others.

Thanks for the information.....

I have found the purchase of the HW150PVR as the bargain of the year.

IF I were to add some "just wishing" new firmware,

1] Transparent Menus

2] Sliding timeline on viewable shows for skipping forward and reverse

3] DVR Play menu as the FIRST MENU when accessing MENU functions



And AGAIN, MY OVERALL GRADE is a 9/10. And YES, a 10/10 may be possible with some firmware revisions. OUTSTANDING GENTLEMEN (and LADIES)!
post #435 of 1229
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Originally Posted by liteon163 View Post

Cable TV providers that still have analog cable channels are unable to filter them out when connecting internet customers. This is why the FCC is allowing cable companies to now encrypt those basic cable channels.
Where did you hear that? It's not correct. Cable Internet service doesn't share frequencies with any analog TV channels your cable company may provide. (If they tried to do that, it would produce severe "snow" on those analog channels.) It may be inconvenient for the cable company to filter out analog channels, but it's not impossible.

Also, the government hasn't required cable companies to broadcast in analog in a long time. The more recent ruling (allowing cable companies to encrypt all channels) assumes they're already all-digital. Analog channels can be "scrambled" but can't truly be encrypted.

The most-often stated reason for encrypting "lifeline" cable channels is to prevent theft from folks hooking themselves up to cable without authorization. There's a grain of truth to that, but I think a more convincing explanation is that encrypting everything lets the cable company disconnect someone without having to send a truck out to unhook them. It also lets the cable co. reconnect them again once they pay up, again without having to send a truck out.

Another reason may be that it lets the cable co. track how many devices the customer has hooked up to cable, and what channels they're tuned to. It's also a stealth rate increase, since the cable co. generally offers only one or two devices without charging extra.

I do agree it's not "piracy" (cable theft) to take advantage of any "bonus" (analog or digital) channels your cable company may send you, as long as you didn't do anything unauthorized (like disconnecting a filter). If they don't want you watching, it's up to them to either filter out those channels or to scramble them. But do keep in mind that there's no guarantee the cable co. will continue to give you those free bonus channels wink.gif
post #436 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jhck66 View Post

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Originally Posted by canon.tk View Post

Also in Program Edit some of the channels I set to skip lose that setting so I had to delete them.

I'm afraid the current firmware is not bulletproof. It has a few really annoying gremlins. Deleted channels will eventually come back to annoy. In my situation, it is the sub-channels of the ION channel. No matter how many times I delete them they eventually reappear. It happens more readily when you perform a hard reset with the front button. Once in a blue moon, it also loses a scheduled recording. I review the scheduled recording list on a daily basis to keep the gremlins at bay. Even with these quirks, I really enjoy playing with this inexpensive toy. From my perspective, it has paid for itself in providing me with High Def files of TV shows and documentaries that are not available commercially (NATURE, NOVA, Castle, etc.).

One of the things I've noticed is that if a TV station changes anything in their channel map, the next time you tune to any subchannel of that station, the Homeworx will reload the channel map and any subchannels you deleted will reappear. Ion is especially bad: I often have to re-delete their encrypted, unviewable Airbox channels from my Homeworx. And from what canon.tk said, setting a channel to skip has a similar problem.
post #437 of 1229
Do you ever watch ION? If not, wouldn't it be simpler to just delete it entirely?
post #438 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

One of the things I've noticed is that if a TV station changes anything in their channel map, the next time you tune to any subchannel of that station, the Homeworx will reload the channel map and any subchannels you deleted will reappear. Ion is especially bad: I often have to re-delete their encrypted, unviewable Airbox channels from my Homeworx. And from what canon.tk said, setting a channel to skip has a similar problem.

Agreed.
post #439 of 1229
When I first hooked up my Homeworx, I commented that its tuner wasn't as sensitive as some others I own. That's still true, but this weekend I found I could improve its performance quite a bit simply by putting a 6dB attenuator on the input. Looks like much of the problem was just that the Homeworx is more susceptible to overload than the other tuners were.
post #440 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

When I first hooked up my Homeworx, I commented that its tuner wasn't as sensitive as some others I own. That's still true, but this weekend I found I could improve its performance quite a bit simply by putting a 6dB attenuator on the input. Looks like much of the problem was just that the Homeworx is more susceptible to overload than the other tuners were.
Did you place the attenuator before or after a preamp? Where did you place it on your cable line?
post #441 of 1229
I put it right on the Homeworx's RF input. (Everything else was already working so I didn't want to make a change that might mess up something else.)
post #442 of 1229
Thread Starter 
Reminder
now that Daylight saying time is OVER
remember to turn off DST on HW-150PVR
post #443 of 1229
I found that out the hard way Sunday. I thought setting "DST on" made the Homeworx follow the DST flag in the station's PSIP. It doesn't - it just tells the Homeworx to assume it's currently Daylight Saving Time. You have to go into the menu and change it yourself twice each year rolleyes.gif

We need a firmware update adding the option to get the DST flag from the station. Maybe call it "DST Auto."
post #444 of 1229
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Originally Posted by MediasonicEast View Post

Reminder
now that Daylight saying time is OVER
remember to turn off DST on HW-150PVR

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I found that out the hard way Sunday. I thought setting "DST on" made the Homeworx follow the DST flag in the station's PSIP. It doesn't - it just tells the Homeworx to assume it's currently Daylight Saving Time. You have to go into the menu and change it yourself twice each year rolleyes.gif

We need a firmware update adding the option to get the DST flag from the station. Maybe call it "DST Auto."

I found a quasi-workaround for the midnight bug using the DST setting. If I leave the DST on it allows me to program a show to be recorded that spans the midnight hour. For example, a show that starts at 11:00 pm will show as 00:00 on the HomeWorx. In the program guide, everything is shifted by an hour. Of course, anything earlier than 11:00 pm will not work. This discovery was useful in recording a show that started a minute before the midnight hour.
post #445 of 1229
I just bought a 150PVR for use with an OTA antenna. The antenna works great with a TV. Now I'm trying to use the Homeworx with my projector.

When I auto search for channels, none show up. If I search manually, many channels have a very strong/full signal. After hitting OK on a manual channel screen, I'm shown a Channel Search screen with a progress bar then a very brief "Saving please wait" popup before being returned to Installation Guide. Yet no channels are ever listed under Program Edit.

Am I doing something wrong or hitting a bug/bad hardware?

SW version: CL630133 130807 V13
HW version: 7816-ATSC-03

Thanks for any help.

I've noticed that I have to aim the remote directly at the Homeworx. This is annoying as the media equipment/projector is behind the seating area. My projector/bluray/receiver remotes work fine pointed anywhere in the room. Are others experiencing this as well?
post #446 of 1229
Weird. Sounds like a bad unit to me, unless you updated the firmware and something went wrong during the update.

If your box came with V13 there should be no need to update (since you don't need the QAM version). You can try loading the V8 firmware (download link on post #1) from a USB thumb drive - V8 is the same as V13 except they left off the Homeworx logo - or you could try the V13 QAM version (download at http://www.sendspace.com/file/dl7lbl). If that doesn't work, I'd say you need to send it back for a replacement.

Regarding remotes:

The Homeworx uses a common infrared remote. If you don't have line-of-sight between the remote and the box, it has to work off of reflected infrared light. That means both the remote and the box need to "see" the same (preferably white or very light-colored) surface, such as a wall.

If that's the case and it still doesn't work, the Homeworx remote's LED may just not be bright enough. (It's hard to tell since human eyes can't see infrared light.) Lithium (e.g., Energizer Max) batteries might help; they have a slightly higher voltage (about 1.8v vs. 1.5v for alkaline batteries). Otherwise, you may need to find a universal remote that has bright enough LEDs and that can learn the Homeworx remote codes.
post #447 of 1229
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Where in post #1 is the firmware download link it appears to have been removed.

Besides the links here and the zip attachments here, I do not find any mediasonic official places anymore on their site or forums.
It seems they want each individual to contact them to make sure everyone uses the right firmware for their device . But it is not obvious how to contact them .
post #448 of 1229
I just got two of these units - new - what a piece of garbage.
The one wouldn't respond to the remote right out of the box - so it went back.

So I have played with the other unit for a few days, the tuner is absolute garbage. It is lucky to pick up 1/2 the channels my televisions do and then it drops the signal sporadically for a micro second which just kills the recording. It is going back also.

So either, I received 2 defective units or they are just a very poor quality product. frown.gif

I was fairly excited about these too, low power usage at all times was the biggest reason. The PVR function was fine for me - IF it worked - as it is similar to my Sonicview. The only big complaint is the tuner and I can't live with that.

I only have OTA.
post #449 of 1229
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by satpro View Post

Where in post #1 is the firmware download link it appears to have been removed.

Besides the links here and the zip attachments here, I do not find any mediasonic official places anymore on their site or forums.


ATTN: If you have V8 or V13 Firmware DO NOT install V10. Your V8 and V13 is latest for your unit, With same fixes as V10


V8, no firmware update required.
V10, no firmware update required.
V13, no firmware update required.

If your box come with different firmware then the above, please contact us and let us know which firmware you have now

rma_east AT mediasonic.ca
post #450 of 1229
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Originally Posted by pacofortacos View Post

I just got two of these units - new - what a piece of garbage.
The one wouldn't respond to the remote right out of the box - so it went back.

So I have played with the other unit for a few days, the tuner is absolute garbage. It is lucky to pick up 1/2 the channels my televisions do and then it drops the signal sporadically for a micro second which just kills the recording. It is going back also.

So either, I received 2 defective units or they are just a very poor quality product. frown.gif

I was fairly excited about these too, low power usage at all times was the biggest reason. The PVR function was fine for me - IF it worked - as it is similar to my Sonicview. The only big complaint is the tuner and I can't live with that.

I only have OTA.


Sorry to hear one box was DOA. I know how frustrating it can be to have something shipped to you that doesn't work when you receive it.

As for the tuner issue, check my previous post:
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

When I first hooked up my Homeworx, I commented that its tuner wasn't as sensitive as some others I own. That's still true, but this weekend I found I could improve its performance quite a bit simply by putting a 6dB attenuator on the input. Looks like much of the problem was just that the Homeworx is more susceptible to overload than other tuners.
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