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post #481 of 1229

Has anyone gotten this to work with the XBox One OneGuide?  I have tried it with the Homeworx firmware and although it does try to change the channel, let's say it is trying to change to channel 2.1 (local NBC affiliate), it will show it trying to change the channel to 21 which it will then say is an invalid channel.

post #482 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Hmm... any way you could move your antenna farther away from the furnace? Perhaps move it to a higher floor or an attic (assuming your furnace isn't up there wink.gif )? If you could get it 3 times farther away, you'd cut the RFI by about 10 dB. Of course, you'd probably have to run cable from your antenna, but it's still cheaper than a new furnace eek.gif

actually the furnace is in our basement and the antenna is mounted on the chimney. Its weird I know but not sure what can be done to remedy it.

I cant seem to find this anywhere but can you record 2 shows at the same time on this unit ?
post #483 of 1229

I bought a homeworx HW100STB that would have no problem automatically scanning for the digital channels that came in through the coax connection in my apartment. However, the remote broke rather quickly, and I was stuck with the channel I stopped on.

 

So, here is what happened afterwards.

 

I just bought a homeworx HW-150PVR and I cannot get it to scan ANY channels, let alone the ones that the older box would find.

 

I am sure I am just doing something wrong, I have asked in multiple forums and not even had a single responsde.

 

Please, help.

 

 

Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to help.

I greatly appreciate it. I have a 7 month pregnant wife who just needs her TV and is tired of netflix.

 

 

I owe you guys.

 

 

sincerely,

 

Josh

post #484 of 1229
I have an old model Homeworx tv tuner that decoded digital stations from the air, and I found out that once I plugged in from a coaxial input from the wall (i'm not sure what type of channels, but I know I am able to get them because if there is at least one person in my apartment building with comcast digital cable, that the old homeworx box would decode the stations if I asked it to search for cable stations instead of a antenna stations)

I went and got a Homeworx HW-150PVR because the radio shack did not have a replacement box- the remote on the old box was very fragile and broke, and I was stuck on one channel for a while. 
I have a few questions-

Is there any possibility of getting a universal remote to work with the old box?
I cannot get the HW-150PVR to scan ANY channels, air or cable. I feel if I was able to get out of the menu and just manually enter a channel number it would work just fine. Is there any way to scan for digital cable stations? I'm not sure what ATSC means or how to find out what type of stations I was recieving. I know if I was to get a basic cable subscription, all they do is bring a box about the size of a deck of cards and plug it into the coax output in the wall, into their box, then into my TV.

Is there any help anyone could give regarding this subject?

I would greatly appreciate it.

Sincerely,

wilson4268
post #485 of 1229
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Originally Posted by dchabby View Post

actually the furnace is in our basement and the antenna is mounted on the chimney. Its weird I know but not sure what can be done to remedy it.
I was hoping the antenna could be easily moved but I guess not. It is strange, unless the furnace is sending the RFI into your house wiring and it's radiating from there.

I remember years ago they used to make plug-in EMI filters that would block this. But I haven't seen one in a long time, and I never saw one for a 240V appliance, which your furnace might be.
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Originally Posted by dchabby View Post

I cant seem to find this anywhere but can you record 2 shows at the same time on this unit ?
Unfortunately no; the unit only has 1 tuner.

In theory it should be possible to record 2 shows at once if they were both on the same RF channel, but AFAIK the firmware doesn't allow that. (It does let you watch one subchannel while recording another subchannel of the same RF channel, though.)
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Originally Posted by wilson4268 View Post

I bought a homeworx HW100STB that would have no problem automatically scanning for the digital channels that came in through the coax connection in my apartment. However, the remote broke rather quickly, and I was stuck with the channel I stopped on.

So, here is what happened afterwards.

I just bought a homeworx HW-150PVR and I cannot get it to scan ANY channels, let alone the ones that the older box would find.

I am sure I am just doing something wrong, I have asked in multiple forums and not even had a single response.

Please, help.

Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to help.
I greatly appreciate it. I have a 7 month pregnant wife who just needs her TV and is tired of netflix.

I owe you guys.

sincerely,

Josh
Guessing here, but I suspect your apartment provides some sort of cable TV: either your city's cable provider or an apartment-wide system of their own. Cable channels use a different modulation scheme than over-the-air channels, even with cable channels that are also available over the air (such as your local stations). Anything provided by a cable system will use cable (QAM) modulation, not ATSC.

There is an (unsupported and hard-to-find) firmware update that will let the HW-150PVR receive digital cable, but see my previous post at http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482341/homeworx-hw-150pvr-support-and-discussion/460_20#post_23982102 about the limitations of using the HW-150PVR with cable.

Update: Just read your next post where you mentioned Comcast. Comcast is in the process of encrypting all stations (even your local stations) on all their cable systems nationwide. Once that happens, neither of your Homeworx boxes will work anymore. You'll have to resort to an antenna if possible.
Edited by JHBrandt - 11/29/13 at 3:00pm
post #486 of 1229

It looks like OneGuide is working with the HW-150PVR for most channels.  For single digit channels, it is not leading with a 0 and therefore tries to enter channel 2.1 as 21.  When switching to a channel like 39.2 it is working properly.  Looks like Microsoft will need to fix the logic for the channel changes.

post #487 of 1229

Well I got this piece of junk today.  I bought it after having seen qam support via firmware update....now there is no support and the thing that mediasonic feared most is going to happen...its going back.  I wasted a week plus between looking online and waiting for it to be delivered.  feeling irritated. hope you guys are doing better than I am.

post #488 of 1229
How much do you bet we don't hear from him again?
post #489 of 1229
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Originally Posted by lupinesithlord View Post

Well I got this piece of junk today.  I bought it after having seen qam support via firmware update....now there is no support and the thing that mediasonic feared most is going to happen...its going back.  I wasted a week plus between looking online and waiting for it to be delivered.  feeling irritated. hope you guys are doing better than I am.

You shouldn't have bought it if QAM support was a dealbreaker for you. They have not supported QAM since August and it is now almost December. They also did not sell it in the first place with QAM support and only tried it for a brief time that turned out not to be cost-effective for them. There's no reason you should not have known before buying it that they would not provide support for QAM, especially since you said you researched for over a week before buying.

Some people are happy with their Homeworx and others are not and some are content but with some issues. Some bought it for OTA only, some for clear QAM, some for both. But you can't call something a piece of junk because you made a mistake. If it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, call it what you want. But if you didn't do what you were supposed to do before buying it, then look in the mirror.
post #490 of 1229

If you needed QAM then I would have purchased the very similar iView 3500 but even with the iView QAM support is spotty at best. Cable companies do everything within their power to make using clear QAM as problematic as possible, now they even have the option of scrambling everything in which case the only cable devices that will do you any good would be one that accepts a cable card, which are few and far between(for recording basically a Tivo or HTPC).

post #491 of 1229

Sorry to disappoint you video bruce, but here I am again....In all honesty, dont care about recording...this was going to simply get cable to my xbox.  as far as I should have known better...well I didn't think I had to dig further into a huge forum after reading hey this will work with this firmware update...I was being earnest when I wished you guys all well, but it doesn't change my disappointment with it....goodnight all

post #492 of 1229
If all you want is to get cable to your XBox, I'd say the cable company's own DTA is your best bet. It'll work on every channel you subscribe to; clear-QAM devices like the Homeworx will only get unencrypted channels, which may be few or nonexistent. The only other way to get encrypted channels is with a CableCARD-equipped tuner, and the only ones of those I know of (besides the ones built into TiVos) are for PCs.

But if you still want a clear-QAM device and you'd like to trade your Homeworx for mine (which has V12 QAM firmware) or a CM-7001 (which has no recording capability but will tune clear QAM channels just fine), PM me.
post #493 of 1229
It's difficult to sift through this forum, but my question is related to the last post. I am on a college campus any my cable is provided by the university. It is clear QAM. I have V14 on the box and flashed the V14 QAM firmware I found online. However the channels are all the incorrect numbers. For example, ESPN when plugged into my TV is 42 but on the Homeworx box it is 35. Any way to fix this? Would V13 firmware produce different results?

I'm trying to make this work with the Xbox, but as it doesn't match the Zap2It guide, it doesn't quite work well.
post #494 of 1229
You can't change the channel numbers. You're seeing the physical/RF channel numbers, whereas a cable box or OTA signal would show you "virtual" channel numbers, which allow stations to remap their physical numbers to ones that viewers are used to seeing. This is accomplished with PSIP on OTA signals, but cable systems accomplish it through signals that can only be received with a CableCard-enabled DVR. By viewing the clear QAM channels without a cable box, you see the random, unfiltered channel numbers that your cable company is actually using.
post #495 of 1229
As long as you receive everything that is in the clear that is all that is important. wink.gif
post #496 of 1229
Thanks for your replies! So the firmware won't matter then, right? There's no way to make it work. I've heard the iView does use the virtual channel numbers so that it maps correctly.
post #497 of 1229

Wow ,

 

Thats what i mean a very good support discussion !

 

It took me a while to realize if HW-150 will do the work for me. and my final thought is YES.

 

I will order a HW-150 sample to check by myself if Clear QAM works on my private cable system . I really don`t care if time, EPG or even pvr works or not ,all i need is to have my 10 channel grid viewable in all rooms.

 

I have some little hotels and I use a 10 channel head end for 6 SD channels and 4 HD  sport channels ,so if the stb came with V13 i guess it will do the job.

 

Found this forum by looking for a good $$/benefit as we will buy some quantity for all my setup here.

 

 

Thanks and have fun .

post #498 of 1229
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Originally Posted by sageleader View Post

Thanks for your replies! So the firmware won't matter then, right? There's no way to make it work. I've heard the iView does use the virtual channel numbers so that it maps correctly.
Unfortunately that is correct. The only way to get correct virtual channel numbers on the Homeworx is with PSIP, which few cable systems provide. That's true of both the city monopolies and "private" cable systems that serve smaller communities such as apartments and university dorms.

(BTW, AFAIK V12 and V14 QAM firmware are identical except for supporting slightly different remote controls.)

A very few QAM tuners provide a function to let you remap QAM channel numbers, but the Homeworx isn't one of them. Off-hand, the only ones I know of that do are the Moxi DVR (no longer sold to end-users, but you might be able to find a used one on eBay) and Windows Media Center (which requires a PC). That would be a terrific feature to add to the firmware and perhaps iView has done so, but I haven't been keeping up with their forum.
post #499 of 1229
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Originally Posted by skywtcher View Post

Wow ,

Thats what i mean a very good support discussion !

It took me a while to realize if HW-150 will do the work for me. and my final thought is YES.

I will order a HW-150 sample to check by myself if Clear QAM works on my private cable system . I really don`t care if time, EPG or even pvr works or not ,all i need is to have my 10 channel grid viewable in all rooms.

I have some little hotels and I use a 10 channel head end for 6 SD channels and 4 HD  sport channels ,so if the stb came with V13 i guess it will do the job.

Found this forum by looking for a good $$/benefit as we will buy some quantity for all my setup here.


Thanks and have fun.
If your head-end is a QAM modulator, you'll need to update the firmware to V14 before it'll work. (It comes with V13, which is 8VSB only.) But that's a simple enough update that takes just a few minutes per box.

Also, it'll probably number your channels x-1 through x-10 (where x is the RF channel number you use) since your head-end probably doesn't provide a PSIP data stream. But it should use the same channel numbers consistently, so you could just put a card with the channel list in each room.

BTW, make sure to change the password on each box so your tenants don't get into the "Program Edit" screen and mess things up!
post #500 of 1229

In fact ,the STBs only show X- nn  and as i don`t carry anything on analog so is quite easy to do it.

 

 

I will upgrade to V14 as you say ,but i`m really happy to get one simple box ready for that.

 

BTW ,I`ve just read an excellent report of  iview 3500STB which seems to be similar.

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465875/iview-3500stb-tuner-dvr-owners-thread

 

So when unit comes i will report all features as i can get full access of the QAM - modulators ,so i can add some info and check what the HW-150 is capable for.

 

 

Thanks  again

 

Skywtcher

post #501 of 1229
Yes, as I understand it the iView is the same except for the firmware, remote control, and front-panel display. The iView's firmware comes already QAM-enabled, so an update isn't needed.

The iView's firmware is reportedly not as good, but as I understand it, its deficiencies relate to the PVR function, which you probably don't care about. So it might be the box you prefer.

Given their low prices, I suppose you could easily try both, and decide which one would be best for your hotel rooms.

I am a bit curious: what kind of TVs are in your rooms? Most newer TVs can tune clear QAM signals directly, so you wouldn't even need a tuner box. But I've also seen a few TVs that have HD screens (with component and/or HDMI inputs) but only analog tuners. And there are HD "monitors" with no tuner at all. You'd need a box like the Homeworx or iView for either of those.
post #502 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Yes, as I understand it the iView is the same except for the firmware, remote control, and front-panel display. The iView's firmware comes already QAM-enabled, so an update isn't needed.

The iView's firmware is reportedly not as good, but as I understand it, its deficiencies relate to the PVR function, which you probably don't care about. So it might be the box you prefer.

Given their low prices, I suppose you could easily try both, and decide which one would be best for your hotel rooms.

I am a bit curious: what kind of TVs are in your rooms? Most newer TVs can tune clear QAM signals directly, so you wouldn't even need a tuner box. But I've also seen a few TVs that have HD screens (with component and/or HDMI inputs) but only analog tuners. And there are HD "monitors" with no tuner at all. You'd need a box like the Homeworx or iView for either of those.

The QAM tuning in the iview firmware is currently not good. Those QAM users that are able to often run Homeworx firmware in order to be able to get their stations. Others run old versions of the iview firmware with mixed results. But everyone who has tried the Homeworx QAM fw reports they get better QAM results than on any iview fw to date.

But I would agree that if someone is buying for commercial use, they could try out both since at least there will be future QAM support on the iview. But if the Homeworx with the current fw works for their situation and they don't care about updates for other features, then the Homeworx may work better for them.
post #503 of 1229
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I am a bit curious: what kind of TVs are in your rooms? Most newer TVs can tune clear QAM signals directly, so you wouldn't even need a tuner box. But I've also seen a few TVs that have HD screens (with component and/or HDMI inputs) but only analog tuners. And there are HD "monitors" with no tuner at all. You'd need a box like the Homeworx or iView for either of those.

 

Unfortunately here the Standard for terrestrial is DVB-T  so all new tv sets come with 2 inputs 1 for Air (DVB-T/T2) and 1 for Analog cable ( QAM disabled) ,i have some TV sets that came in ATSC before the DVB-T but they are not available easily ,As this bad approach on new TV sets coming to this country the use of a STB is mandatory.

 

We can use DVB-C or J03B @6 MHZ  but even the infamous  TV sets with 2 inputs cannot receive DVB-C through the second RF input .Thats why I decided to use a J03B QAM Clear setup as ATSC boxes are closer and easy to find.

 

Sony,LG,Samsung use the same thing 2 inputs one for DVB-T Air and one for analog only.

post #504 of 1229
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Originally Posted by MediasonicEast View Post


The thing we want to avoid is unnecessary return of a good unit.
Say a user buy an unit goes home and scan for channels looking for QAM and doesn't find any. And he doesn't know his Cable provider is encrypting QAM or is not providing QAM
so he goes and return the unit and then write a bad review.

The software for the M$ Windows 7 (or newer) PC-based multi-tuner cards that I'm using will perform a tuner channel scan and establish entries for every channel found including encrypted QAM, but will have those encrypted channels unselected via cleared check box for channel surfing / tuning / viewing / recording purposes.  The user is then easily able to determine that the tuner detected such channels, just that they are inaccessible for viewing, etc, because the description of the channel includes the words "encrypted QAM."

post #505 of 1229
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Originally Posted by skywtcher View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I am a bit curious: what kind of TVs are in your rooms? Most newer TVs can tune clear QAM signals directly, so you wouldn't even need a tuner box. But I've also seen a few TVs that have HD screens (with component and/or HDMI inputs) but only analog tuners. And there are HD "monitors" with no tuner at all. You'd need a box like the Homeworx or iView for either of those.

Unfortunately here the Standard for terrestrial is DVB-T  so all new tv sets come with 2 inputs 1 for Air (DVB-T/T2) and 1 for Analog cable ( QAM disabled) ,i have some TV sets that came in ATSC before the DVB-T but they are not available easily ,As this bad approach on new TV sets coming to this country the use of a STB is mandatory.

We can use DVB-C or J03B @6 MHZ  but even the infamous  TV sets with 2 inputs cannot receive DVB-C through the second RF input .Thats why I decided to use a J03B QAM Clear setup as ATSC boxes are closer and easy to find.

Sony,LG,Samsung use the same thing 2 inputs one for DVB-T Air and one for analog only.
I see. Didn't realize you were outside the North America sphere of TV influence. Makes sense now.

I'll take jprc's word that, if you buy iViews, you may still prefer to update them with Homeworx's QAM firmware for best results. But you'll need to buy Homeworx remote controls if you do. Once the Homeworx firmware is installed, the box operates as a Homeworx. The iView remote stops working and you have to use a Homeworx remote instead. The Homeworx firmware also disables the iView's front-panel display (which you may find a good thing; its very bright display isn't the sort of thing you might want in a bedroom where folks are trying to sleep).

Homeworx does sell spare remote controls, but if you find the Homeworx firmware is preferable, you're probably better off buying Homeworxes to start with.
post #506 of 1229
MediasonicEast, if you're still listening:

I think what oldspammer is trying to say is that, if you want to avoid returns over QAM support, the way to do it isn't to just refuse to support QAM; it's to fix the QAM firmware so a channel scan doesn't add hundreds of unwatchable encrypted channels that do nothing but confuse the end-user.

It's real simple. If a subchannel is encrypted, don't add it! Or at least flag it as a "skipped" channel so it won't be seen when surfing (with channel up/down).

BTW, that would be a good idea for OTA too. I'm getting tired of having to repeatedly delete Ion's encrypted Airbox channels every time KPXD adds another shopping channel and my Homeworx re-initializes the KPXD channel map.

Which reminds me. Fix the firmware so it doesn't re-initialize the station's whole channel map every time the broadcaster adds, re-labels, or removes one subchannel! Just update the one subchannel that was changed, like every other tuner on the market does - and if the subchannel was merely relabeled, leave the $%^@# "skip" flag alone!
post #507 of 1229

Well ,like I said the better choice so far is the Hw-150 with new v14 upgrade or whatever takes QAM Clear.

 

In fact some other boxes work nice but only with SD which is not my intention ,but i will just wait for a couple samples of Iview and Hw-150 .

 

I will write down a good  report on those in a real situation and a real QAM Clear enviroment.

post #508 of 1229
Can someone tell me if all the outputs work simultaneously on the HW-150PVR and on the 180 model too? What I want to do is the following:
  1. Connect an old 2003 LCD 480p TV via coax
  2. Connect a newer Samsung Plasma TV via HDMI
  3. Play the audio through my receiver

So ideally I'd like to make sure that I could connect my older TV via coax (or component) and the newer TV via HDMI to receiver the OTA broadcasts. Normally, when you use an HDMI port, it often disables all the other outputs.

If this does not disable the other outputs, it's the perfect solution for what I need. I mean absolutely perfect but I need to have that confirmed.

Thanks!
post #509 of 1229
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Can someone tell me if all the outputs work simultaneously on the HW-150PVR and on the 180 model too? What I want to do is the following:
  1. Connect an old 2003 LCD 480p TV via coax
  2. Connect a newer Samsung Plasma TV via HDMI
  3. Play the audio through my receiver

So ideally I'd like to make sure that I could connect my older TV via coax (or component) and the newer TV via HDMI to receiver the OTA broadcasts. Normally, when you use an HDMI port, it often disables all the other outputs.

If this does not disable the other outputs, it's the perfect solution for what I need. I mean absolutely perfect but I need to have that confirmed.

Thanks!

Well, I can tell you that you can do this with the iview, which means you likely can do it with the homeworx but I don't have a HW box to confirm for certain. I have an old analog crt connected via coax and new hdtv via hdmi and they both work simultaneously. You realize they will only tune in the same channel at once with this setup right? Just making sure. I don't have a receiver connected.
post #510 of 1229
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Originally Posted by jprc View Post

Well, I can tell you that you can do this with the iview, which means you likely can do it with the homeworx but I don't have a HW box to confirm for certain. I have an old analog crt connected via coax and new hdtv via hdmi and they both work simultaneously. You realize they will only tune in the same channel at once with this setup right? Just making sure. I don't have a receiver connected.

JPRC thanks for the reply!

If it does what you describe then that's absolutely perfect. I don't need them tuned to different channels. From what I've been reading, it seems to me that the iView tends to have comparably inferior firmware and the better choice of the two is the homework. For under $50 on Amazon, this looks like a winner and a perfect fit in my scenario if it does the simultaneous AV outputs.
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