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post #31 of 223
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Originally Posted by dsrussell View Post

Yeah, I probably should have at least auditioned the Hammer. Matter-of-fact, the owner asked me if I wanted to hear it. Heck, I could have auditioned a half-dozen Wilson Audio products, but just didn't see the point. Obviously, the owner didn't see me pull up in my 1997 Camaro:). I actually was there to audition the JL Audio F113 Fathom, but it wasn't on the showroom floor. They had two G213 Gotham subs, but they weren't hooked up (man, they are stunners!) and a pair of F212 Fathoms. I auditioned the F212s.

After the audition, I came down to reality and purchased an SVS for my stereo system and a PSA a month or so later (on July 4th) for my TV room. The PSA should be delivered sometime this year … I think.

Sweet ! the real kicker is when that second sub arrives and you feel like you got way with something and while grinning ear to ear enjoying your spoils but all the while wondering when some one will knock on your door and say, we made a mistake and ask for more money biggrin.gif

And by the way nice car, I had one back in the day wink.gif
post #32 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Sweet ! the real kicker is when that second sub arrives and you feel like you got way with something and while grinning ear to ear enjoying your spoils but all the while wondering when some one will knock on your door and say, we made a mistake and ask for more money biggrin.gif

And by the way nice car, I had one back in the day wink.gif

Thanks, Audiofan1. You must be on the Left ... er ... West Coast like me;) After looking at so many expensive subs, it was a nice surprise to find PSA. I originally had the SVS and a Hsu ULS-15 auditioning at the same time. I returned the Hsu because of problems, and that required another tedious search and I found PSA. Hopefully it will be trouble free.

Yeah, I keep cars for a loooonnng time, but as long as it keeps going, I'm happy.

Well, I'm off to dream land.
post #33 of 223
Pretty Furniture!
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Reserved
post #35 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Out of sheer curiosity I want to know what it sounds like
Exactly the same as any other sub using similar drivers in a similarly sized enclosure similarly tuned. The only significant difference between bass reflex subs lies in the quality/capability of the drivers used, and there are no magic drivers unique to any one source.
post #36 of 223
I wouldn't pay more than $1000 for that sub as its performance is only that of a $1000 sub. "Thor"!!! Really?? *LMAO*

At less than half the price of the "Thor" is the Paradigm S2 which not only blows the doors off The "Thor" in extension but also in SPL, room tuning etc.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/paradigm-sig-sub-2-1/paradigm-sig-sub-2-analysis
post #37 of 223
I wouldn't expect the Thor to outperform the Sub 2, but it does look to be realistically worth more than $1k. In it's favor it does have a solid looking cabinet (400+ lbs) and the drivers do not look bad. It is a passive sub though, so for that $20k+, you do not even get an amplifier. I think an overbuilt and very nicely finished cabinet with two decent 15" drivers is probably worth 2 to 3k, and what you are paying for is really a statement in cabinetry more than performance. I wouldn't think it would perform badly though.
post #38 of 223
Bleh
post #39 of 223
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

In it's favor it does have a solid looking cabinet (400+ lbs)

I don't know if I'd call 400 pounds a big plus for most biggrin.gif FWIW, I'd suspect a Funk 18.3 could give the Wilson a run for its money and look good doing it.
post #40 of 223
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Originally Posted by Steve1981 View Post

I don't know if I'd call 400 pounds a big plus for most biggrin.gif FWIW, I'd suspect a Funk 18.3 could give the Wilson a run for its money and look good doing it.

I agree 400 lbs is too much for most, and I certainly wouldn't be able to handle one. However, the cabinet is probably pretty well braced and inert, and so probably not bad from a technical perspective. And yes, I think a Funk 18.3 could outperform it and looks nicer as well.
post #41 of 223
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Originally Posted by shadyJ View Post

I agree 400 lbs is too much for most, and I certainly wouldn't be able to handle one. However, the cabinet is probably pretty well braced and inert, and so probably not bad from a technical perspective. And yes, I think a Funk 18.3 could outperform it and looks nicer as well.


No matter which way you slice n dice this one, its way over priced for what you get..typical of Wilson in general from the reviews I've read that provided measurements with the review. wink.gif
post #42 of 223
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Originally Posted by maxht View Post



This photo is before the owner bought Thor's Hammer.
This is what happens when you give Bumblebee to a rich man.
post #43 of 223
Joe, you ever heard the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted"?

A pair of JTR OSs for about $6500 would put Thor's Hammer into deep orbit forever.......
post #44 of 223
If you want the same look of the thor's hammer, just buy a pair of rythmik fv15hps and stick one on top of the other upside down.
post #45 of 223
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Exactly the same as any other sub using similar drivers in a similarly sized enclosure similarly tuned. The only significant difference between bass reflex subs lies in the quality/capability of the drivers used, and there are no magic drivers unique to any one source.

If only that where all it was to it, how indeed life would be so simple, just look at a piece of paper and hope that the data will produce the same effects when you get it home! not so my friend case in point the DXD12012 biggrin.gif
post #46 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

If only that where all it was to it, how indeed life would be so simple, just look at a piece of paper and hope that the data will produce the same effects when you get it home! not so my friend case in point the DXD12012 biggrin.gif

You should not speak on what you clearly do not understand.
post #47 of 223
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

You should not speak on what you clearly do not understand.

I'll beg to differ , if you firmly believe that you can only judge by what you read on paper and simply dismiss something without actually hearing or seeing it for yourself, your opinion on the matter is indeed in question itself. Yes the data has a large part to play , but the end result is all that matters and that's its ability to translate into the real world.
Oh I understand all too well wink.gif
post #48 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I'll beg to differ , if you firmly believe that you can only judge by what you read on paper and simply dismiss something without actually hearing or seeing it for yourself, your opinion on the matter is indeed in question itself. Yes the data has a large part to play , but the end result is all that matters and that's its ability to translate into the real world.
Oh I understand all too well wink.gif

It is not what is on paper, as the information Wilson divulges for such a heavy financial investment is really pathetic. I clearly stated what would be needed to clone this sub in post #11
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If someone took a groundplane measurement of the Wilson, pulled the drivers and ran the ts parameters, and measured the port dimensions + actually internal volume (or if someone sends one to databass for Ricci to do all of the above), I guarantee you I could build a sub that sounds identical to the Wilson for 1/10th the price. There isnt anything mythical about sub design.

If I had this sub, with some hired muscle, I could do all of the above. Chances are I will never see this sub outside of an audio show. If you do not understand what the process I described above would achieve, then again I will say you should not speak on what you clearly do not understand.
post #49 of 223
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

It is not what is on paper, as the information Wilson divulges for such a heavy financial investment is really pathetic. I clearly stated what would be needed to clone this sub in post #11
If I had this sub, with some hired muscle, I could do all of the above. Chances are I will never see this sub outside of an audio show. If you do not understand what the process I described above would achieve, then again I will say you should not speak on what you clearly do not understand.

I understand and don't recall respond to your original post, but I will comment it on it here! I have no objection on your described methods, as the sub in question should be indeed tested, in fact I'm just as curios on the end results as well . but as I stated in response to the other post, merely saying or speculating as to what the end results will be, falls heavily into the realm of theory . So until you get one and test it for yourself using the methods you described we all sit here still speculating and assuming wink.gif
post #50 of 223
Yes, but once the real data is available, a clone is as simple as building a sub that tests the same under the same conditions, and building a box and using a driver of similar quality.
post #51 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

If only that where all it was to it, how indeed life would be so simple, just look at a piece of paper and hope that the data will produce the same effects when you get it home! not so my friend case in point the DXD12012 biggrin.gif
My 48 years of acoustical engineering experience says otherwise.
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merely saying or speculating as to what the end results will be, falls heavily into the realm of theory
There is nothing the least bit theoretical about loudspeaker design. Not only is it a science, it's a very well known science, and has been for nigh on a half century.
A word to the wise, if you want to give an expert opinion, first become an expert. cool.gif
post #52 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

I'll beg to differ , if you firmly believe that you can only judge by what you read on paper and simply dismiss something without actually hearing or seeing it for yourself, your opinion on the matter is indeed in question itself. Yes the data has a large part to play , but the end result is all that matters and that's its ability to translate into the real world.
Oh I understand all too well wink.gif

How many other subs have you listened too in your space? What other reference points do you have?
post #53 of 223
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

A word to the wise, if you want to give an expert opinion, first become an expert. cool.gif

Now that is the truth for sure biggrin.gif
post #54 of 223
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Originally Posted by enterthedragon View Post

How many other subs have you listened too in your space? What other reference points do you have?

what other reference points do I have as to how the sub in question performs? none, as I've not heard it. As for your other questions why?
post #55 of 223
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

My 48 years of acoustical engineering experience says otherwise.
There is nothing the least bit theoretical about loudspeaker design. Not only is it a science, it's a very well known science, and has been for nigh on a half century.
A word to the wise, if you want to give an expert opinion, first become an expert. cool.gif

No disrespect, but I'll give my opinion as I choose.
And as for as I'm concerned your not the final word in speaker design, though I value your opinion ,your no wise sage to me, as I don't know you that well wink.gif
post #56 of 223
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

Yes, but once the real data is available, a clone is as simple as building a sub that tests the same under the same conditions, and building a box and using a driver of similar quality.

Do you plan to build one once the data is released? This all has nothing to do with the original post.
post #57 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

what other reference points do I have as to how the sub in question performs? none, as I've not heard it. As for your other questions why?

I asked my question in response to your post below:
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

If only that where all it was to it, how indeed life would be so simple, just look at a piece of paper and hope that the data will produce the same effects when you get it home! not so my friend case in point the DXD12012 biggrin.gif


With that said, I've never seen anyone blindly hype one particular sub as much as you have this DXD12012. I'm sure it's a great sub, but I must say that I'm starting to see a trend from you. I asked that question because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before I totally dismiss you and your completely subjective/opinionated posts...

Why would you want to ignore the advice of an industry professional such as Bill Fritz?
post #58 of 223
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Originally Posted by enterthedragon View Post

I asked my question in response to your post below:
With that said, I've never seen anyone blindly hype one particular sub as much as you have this DXD12012. I'm sure it's a great sub, but I must say that I'm starting to see a trend from you. I asked that question because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before I totally dismiss you and your completely subjective/opinionated posts...

Why would you want to ignore the advice of an industry professional such as Bill Fritz?

The reason for me speaking on the DXD12012 the way I do is simple, when I try something for myself and it performs better than expected I post about it as this why forums exists for any given hobby or topic of interest. If you also pay attention to my post, I never speak of another sub or any piece of gear or manufacture in a negative way as I consider it poor taste and would be misleading to other forum participants that may be considering that particular piece of gear. Believe me if the DXD or any piece of gear I own or have owned didn't do it for me after a considerable in home audition back it goes and a simple explanation as to why I felt it didn't. I'm one of maybe 3 owners I know of hear on AVS I post to inform others who may be interested in my opinion and wonder if a piece of gear I own is any good or not. Why for the life of me I can't understand if no one else has even heard it feels they can so easily dismiss it. So until they do I'll post.

And as to ignoring Bill , Ken is an industry professional as well and as an owner of his product, I haven't found it misleading in away works as advertised and I out of respect sought Bills opinion as to what he thought , but after one visit to the site Bill knows more about Ken's sub than Ken does eek.gif

I never said it was better,louder or lower than any other sub, I posted every resource I could find on it , And even when measured and then listened to by the large majority of revivers, all had something to say on its ability to give a different kind bass experience, I had hope the some of the science data guys around here might possibly hear one measure for themselves and shed some light. But I guess I'll have to do it myself to back up what I'm hearing in my room. wink.gif
post #59 of 223
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Do you plan to build one once the data is released? This all has nothing to do with the original post.

Only if I was being funded to do the build, and the end goal was a blind listening test with a panel of members comparing the Wilson vs the build. This only got further off topic by people who dont understand how simple a subwoofer system is, and challenge the premise based "you havent heard it".

This is simply a hobby for me, I'm not here to prove my self to anyone, and I'm definitely not putting out $2k for a sub I dont need just to come back to this thread with a "see look!".
post #60 of 223
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

Only if I was being funded to do the build, and the end goal was a blind listening test with a panel of members comparing the Wilson vs the build. This only got further off topic by people who dont understand how simple a subwoofer system is, and challenge the premise based "you havent heard it".

This is simply a hobby for me, I'm not here to prove my self to anyone, and I'm definitely not putting out $2k for a sub I dont need just to come back to this thread with a "see look!".

Not trying to prove a thing, it's as you say a hobby and also topic of interest for me, And if you think its why I bought the sub and spent what I did then so be it! I was is the market for a new sub and its what I got after careful research!

sorry to offend anyone!
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