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post #31 of 86

I'm a newbie to the HTr-4065 as well as this thread.  I am having issues and I was hoping that someone could help. I love this receiver, but I tried plugging my i-pod in to the receiver via USB tonight and the sub-woofer is not coming on...is there an option to turn it on? What is going on? Please Help!! :-)

post #32 of 86
I just bought the RX-V573 and before I open it, can anyone confirm if this can convert a component signal into HDMI?

I want to have just one cable going to the TV on a wall mounted setup.
post #33 of 86
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saukar View Post

I just bought the RX-V573 and before I open it, can anyone confirm if this can convert a component signal into HDMI?

I want to have just one cable going to the TV on a wall mounted setup.

The 573 CANNOT make that conversion. You need at least the 673 (or 675) to do that.
post #34 of 86
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

That's just how action movies (especially ones on Blu-ray/DVD) are mixed. If you set the volume so that dialogue is at a normal volume, the sound effects will blow you away. This might be a good thing or, if you have sleeping kids, a bad thing. On the other hand if you turn it down so that effects are at a normal level, dialogue is usually too quiet.

There are a few things you can do. First, you could go into the speaker menu and crank up your center. But that isn't a good solution for all listening modes so I wouldn't do that. Instead I'd try A DRC and/or Dynamic Range. Look them up in your manual. Adaptive DRC reduces volume highs and lows for all audio sources. There is also a function called Dynamic Range that reduces volume highs and lows for bitstream audio only (i.e., Dolby Digital or DTS). I don't know what the functional difference between these two is. Try them out and see if they help. (And let me know because I will also be in your situation in the near future!)

Thanks for starting this thread and offering a work around for a common problem (if you can call it that) of HT surround sound setup. I'll definitely try it since I've got 2 kids sleeping upstairs and some nice speakers begging to let loose.

My Gear: Panny 55VT50; Yamaha RX-V473; Sony BDP-S590; Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers

I've been extremely pleased with my V473. All functionality is working properly...including ARC, 3D, 5.1 setup, etc. Yamaha tech support was awesome the one time I called. BTW- The VT50 is absolutely sick after an ISF Calibration.

Do you know of any websites that would be helpful for tweaking the V473 setup? Similar to the threads on adjusting PQ settings for TV's. I assume the only preset sound I can use is "5ch Stereo" to take advantage of my speaker system.?.?.?

Also, it seems that the sound is louder when I switch from the BDP (which runs through the AVR) to the cable box. I estimate a 20% increase in volume from the Cable Box which connects directly to the TV. Better mids...very noticeable...thoughts?

Setup: BDP>AVR>TV
CABLE BOX > TV

EDIT: 100% HDMI Connections


THANKS AGAIN
Edited by THeCozen1 - 12/7/13 at 7:26am
post #35 of 86
Thread Starter 
Why do you have the cable box going directly to the TV instead of through the AVR like the Blu-ray?

I don't know of any websites for tweaking the AVR because the AVR's optimal settings will also depend on your speakers. 5ch stereo will take a 2-channel source and play it over all five speakers. So you would use that mode for playing a CD. But for everything else, you want Straight (or one of the movie modes e.g. Sci-Fi if you prefer).
post #36 of 86
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

Why do you have the cable box going directly to the TV instead of through the AVR like the Blu-ray?

Just because it seems to get better sound that way (box > TV).

I'll play with the Sci-Fi setting. Just seems to push better surround sound on 5ch stereo.
post #37 of 86
I just received my RX-V573 from Newegg yesterday. This is for my bedroom system to replace a 13 year old Marantz SR5200 with a failing pre-amp section (I have an Onkyo TX-SR805 in my main system). I was originally looking at the RX-V375 since I'm only running 5.1 and an HTPC is my primary source, but $280 for the 573 was too good to pass up. Having a networking receiver may turn out to be more useful than I originally though since I can use my iPhone as a remote rather than buying a third party learning remote. I also have iPhone apps for XBMC, foobar2000, and my blu-ray player, so maybe once I get used to the Yamaha app I'll see if that's a good enough substitute for a Harmony remote.

At 18 lbs. I wasn't expecting it to be as powerful as the Marantz (28 lbs.) it's replacing and it's definitely not, but it is just fine for my bedroom and sounds very good so long as I don't push it too hard. It's not nearly as flexible in regards to set up as my Onkyo but in fairness the Onkyo was an $1,100 MSRP receiver, after all. So far I'm pretty happy with it but it'll take a few weeks of use to get to know its quirks, short comings, as well as all of the things it does well.
post #38 of 86
I am having a problem with my v473. When I adjust the volume watching standard definition channels the screen goes black for a couple seconds. When watching HD or blue ray everything is fine. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen?
post #39 of 86
Thread Starter 
This is because the receiver can display its volume overlay (the little box that shows the number) only while the receiver is in 1080i or 1080p. The solution is to have your cable box output only 1080i even for SD channels. Somewhere in its menus, you'll see options for output resolutions. Uncheck everything but 1080i, which will force it to upscale the SD channels and output them as 1080i (the same as the HD channels).
Edited by JBWIII - 12/27/13 at 9:47am
post #40 of 86

Hey fellas, hope someone can help me out.

 

Yesterday during holidays I made a great buy, I think.

I was looking for a much cheaper model than the V473, but was in a shop were they sold out the show model (last one) for about half price, which kinda put it in my price level.

However, the salesman went out for the box and accessories but came back, and after 30 minutes of searching it was obvious someone had either thrown away the box, or sold it or whatever.

 

So the only thing they had left was the actual reciever (no remote, no microphone, no manual). Now, they offered my a really good price, and I had to think about it.

Did a quick google search and saw that you could use an iPhone app as remote, so I thought everything was sorted. I was getting a superior system for about half the money I was initially supposed to spend on a cheaper one.

 

 

BUT... I'm in a catch 22. I cant get the app t0 work, unless I download the latest firmware, which seems impossible without the remote control.

So I need a remote. Found a website here (in Sweden) that seem to sell all remote for Yamaha's, but they only list them after the modelnumber (of the remote, not the reciever). I've googled and check the pdf manual, but I can't find the model number of the remote control. Can someone help me out, I'm guessing it's printed on the actual remote, or in the manual.

 

So if someone could give me the model number of the remote control for the RX-V473 I'd be more than happy.

If it's not much trouble I could ask for the model number of that YPAO-mic as well, haven't decided if I'm gonna buy it.

 

 

And a little p.s. I hooked the system up with my old speakers (5.1), but currently, the center speaker and subwoofer seems to be inactivated. I read in the manual that you might need to activate them from the menu, can someone confirm if that is correct (I just wanna know it's not defect before I get my precious remote).


Edited by JezFranco - 12/27/13 at 11:26am
post #41 of 86
Thread Starter 
You can update the firmware without the remote. Go to the Yamaha website, go to Support, then find the downloads page for the RX-V473. There is a page where you download the 1.16 firmware. On that page is a link to a PDF with instructions on how to install it from a USB drive, no remote needed.
post #42 of 86

I have the RX-V373 and was wondering if anyone has upgraded to any of the higher models? I feel like the 373 just does not have the balls. I bought it to get my feet wet and I am looking to upgrade.

 

I have the Energy CC-10 center channel, CB-20 book shelf's and the ESW-C10 Sub.

post #43 of 86
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

You can update the firmware without the remote. Go to the Yamaha website, go to Support, then find the downloads page for the RX-V473. There is a page where you download the 1.16 firmware. On that page is a link to a PDF with instructions on how to install it from a USB drive, no remote needed.


Thanks a lot bro, really helpful.

Got that part to work, and updated the firmware. However still can't find the reciever through the app.

As I understand there's a network setting in th reciever that must be turned on. Guessing you need the remote again...

 

Ohhh frustrating, why would you have to turn on/off a network setting!!!

post #44 of 86
post #45 of 86

Btw, I found the remote model number ZA113600

post #46 of 86
Thread Starter 
Yeah, it helps to have the Network Standby feature enabled for the App to see the receiver. Not sure why you can turn it off. At any rate, even if the App is functional, there are still things that can only be controlled from the remote (setup mostly) so unfortunately you probably will need it.
post #47 of 86

Just ordered the remote from eBay. Gonna have to wait a week or so due all the holidays. Hard times for an AV geek that wanna try out the new hardware.

I'm gonna have to think about that YPAO mic, if it's really needed.

 

Did everyone here use the auto setup with the mic, or did you adjust manually?

 

It's weird as well, that in it's initial startup (like it is for me know) only the surround speakers are used. The Center speaker and Subwoofer is not activated by default in any of the modes, so for now on I have to to with four surround speakers, without the bass until I get the remote.

Anyway, cheers for the help and I'll be back when I've tried it out for real.

post #48 of 86
After less than two weeks I got a Harmony 650. The iPhone app is OK but I got tired of having to switch apps all the time. I initially set up my receiver with YPAO. It did a good job of setting levels and distances but at least in my room and with my speakers I think it sounds better with it turned off. I knew before I got this receiver it only allowed a global x-over. I have small satellite speakers for surrounds and fairly large main and center channel speakers so I set the front speakers to large and used the x-over YPAO determined for the surrounds. I'm still getting plenty of bass to the sub and my mains and center don't sound at all distorted running full range (this is how I had my old Marantz receiver configured too).

I'm very happy to have native DSD decoding at this price point. SACD sounds much better with the receiver doing the decoding/bass management than my old set up with a Pioneer Elite DV-45A and 5.1 channel analog outputs. DVD-Audio ripped to FLAC and played back via my HTPC sounds great as well. I only wish the net app could handle multi-channel FLAC.

I wish the front panel display could show the input and format at the same time. It makes naming the inputs a bit pointless having to remember HDMI1 is Blu-ray when the display is showing TrueHD or whatever.

I almost passed on Yamaha because I had a Yamaha integrated amp in the 90s and never cared for its sound (traded it in after a few years). A friend of mine got a RX-A800 a few years ago and it sounds a lot better than I remembered my old Yamaha amp did. I know his receiver is quite a bit higher end than the 573 but figured it would sound similar, and luckily it does. If I had to pay near MSRP I probably would have gotten something else but at $280 it was a steal.
Edited by Slosh - 12/28/13 at 8:40pm
post #49 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

That's just how action movies (especially ones on Blu-ray/DVD) are mixed. If you set the volume so that dialogue is at a normal volume, the sound effects will blow you away. This might be a good thing or, if you have sleeping kids, a bad thing. On the other hand if you turn it down so that effects are at a normal level, dialogue is usually too quiet.

There are a few things you can do. First, you could go into the speaker menu and crank up your center. But that isn't a good solution for all listening modes so I wouldn't do that. Instead I'd try A DRC and/or Dynamic Range. Look them up in your manual. Adaptive DRC reduces volume highs and lows for all audio sources. There is also a function called Dynamic Range that reduces volume highs and lows for bitstream audio only (i.e., Dolby Digital or DTS). I don't know what the functional difference between these two is. Try them out and see if they help. (And let me know because I will also be in your situation in the near future!)

Well, I dug through the manual and think I solved the problem of varying playback volume levels from different sources (my cable TV sound being much louder than the BDP). Pages 62-64 of the owner's manual walks you through it...select "Option" on the remote; then "Volume Trim." I basically guessed and checked by increasing and decreasing decibel levels until the they matched between all sources. This was an AVR Godsend which may be common knowledge to some, but something I had to learn.

Now onto the issue of low dialogue in movies vs. LOUD action sequences. Cutting the "adaptive DRC" on under "options" did seem to greatly help this issue...thanks for the heads up JBWIII!

Voila, clear/crisp dialogue in a loud action scene from "Dredd" that I could barely discern the night before. The scene where Ma-Ma unleashes the mini-gun. I had the volume jacked up for dialogue and all of a sudden a mini-gun is rattling my windows with the kids asleep upstairs. Here's to hoping I'm not tweaking on a daily basis.
Edited by THeCozen1 - 1/7/14 at 4:48pm
post #50 of 86

Possibly related to post 31...

 

I just got a refurbished HTR-4065.  So far so good - I love AirPlay and DLNA streaming. 

 

One question on setup: I can't figure out how to make the subwoofer active if I'm listening to a 2-channel source (like music), WITHOUT turning on surround sound (and all 5.1 speakers).  In other words, I want the sub to take some of the load off my main front speakers, but I don't want an artificial surround sound.  My mains are nice floor standing DCMs, but they don't thump like my sub.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.


Edited by av-geek - 1/11/14 at 9:12am
post #51 of 86

Think I got it. YPAO set the front speakers to "large".  I manually set them to "small" and now the sub is on with a 2-channel source.  

post #52 of 86

Help! I'm setting up my new rig here and I'm frustrated by something. I'm so glad I found a group of smart people who might be able to help.

 

I just bought the Yamaha HTR-4066 and an LG Smart TV. I also have a FiOS Set-Top Box (Motorola). Everything is connected by high-speed HDMI. ARC is enabled, and HDMI Control (LG's Syslink) are all turned on. The STB is connected to the receiver's HDMI-2 input.

 

STB ---> AVR (hdmi2) ---> TV

 

I want to power everything up with the FiOS remote. When I hit the power button,  the TV comes on. The STB comes on. The AVR comes on, but automatically jumps to AV4. But I don't want AV4 (because there's no sound from AV4). I want it to go to HDMI-2!  When I manually choose HDMI-2, the audio is beautiful. I don't understand why the receiver wants to go to AV4, and I can't convince it that the audio is really in HDMI-2.

 

There are no other audio connections from the TV to the receiver, and there is nothing connected to the receiver's AV4 input.

 

One more thing - when I use the TV's smart apps, the audio DOES come from AV4 (which is fine). But the programming from the STB will not send audio there - only to HDMI-2.

 

I think I'm missing something basic here. The AVR knows that the sound is coming into HDMI-2, so why would it jump to AV4?

 

Thanks for any help you can give me. I'm a bit obsessive and this is keeping me up at night!

post #53 of 86
I own the Yamaha RX-V473, but I'll try to help. The AVR defaults to AV4 for TV. You need to change the input source for the "TV" scene.

Press the scene button "TV", select the new input source (HDMI-2), hold down the "TV" scene button until it reads "set complete" on the AVR display.

Hope that helps.
post #54 of 86

Thanks, I appreciate your help.

 

I have gotten that far, and I do get audio when I hit the Scene button forcing it to HDMI-2.  What I want to do is to get the audio to work without having to tell the receiver where to go for it.

 

I talked to a salesman who seemed pretty savvy and he told me that there is a known issue with this Yamaha receiver: the ARC inputs just won't work.  No matter what I do, I won't be able to power up the TV and have my STB audio come out of AV4 by using an HDMI cable.  (Although smart-apps audio does come out of AV4 via the same HDMI cable).

 

He suggests I bag the ARC concept and run an optical cable into AV4.  I'll try that and see if it works, but it's kind of disappointing. Does anyone else have ARC working correctly with this receiver?

 

Thanks!


Edited by butcher10 - 1/17/14 at 9:49am
post #55 of 86

I was searching for answers regarding a "Device Error" message while updating my RX-V473, and came across this thread.  Realized that I'll need to do it via USB, and also how to get video while using an alternate audio source (thank you JBWIII!!), something I was ready to buy an HDMI switch to accomplish.  In light of the great info found here, I ended up joining AVS.  Looking forward to being a regular contributor.

 

Tony

post #56 of 86
Thread Starter 
Having a baby in the apartment now, I have been forced to enable A.DRC and I have to say that it works... too well. As the volume is decreased (i.e., you lower the volume), the dynamic range is narrowed. This means that at say, -45.0db, the dynamic range is so narrow that all sounds are pretty much at the same output volume--near the top of the range. So it has the odd effect of making normal listening louder at the same numerical volume setting. I used to listen to TV broadcasts in the -35db to -25db range. Now it's the -40db to -35db range. But it does lift the dialog in movies without blowing the doors off (and the baby awake) when effects or music kicks in, so mission accomplished.
post #57 of 86
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Originally Posted by JBWIII View Post

I used to listen to TV broadcasts in the -35db to -25db range. Now it's the -40db to -35db range. But it does lift the dialog in movies without blowing the doors off (and the baby awake) when effects or music kicks in, so mission accomplished.
I have made the exact same adjustments and noticed the same effects...right down to the exact same volume listening levels. At least it is nice to know that these AVR units are working similarly (as intended). My adjustments were made due to the kids as well.

It is nice that you can have different settings for different sources. Make sure to turn off the A.DRC when listening to music. Do you have it set for "Enhanced" audio? I did just for the surround sound effect.
post #58 of 86

Well, I did the USB firmware update successfully (v1.16), but still no luck getting the AV Controller app to recognize the device (RX-V473).  Is anyone else having this issue?  Has anyone found the work-around or resolved the problem altogether?  I'm pretty frustrated at this point, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks for listening,

Tony

post #59 of 86
Thread Starter 
Two things to try:

1. Make sure Network Standby is on for the receiver.
2. When you first enter the App, click on the ... menu at the bottom, then go to settings, then to manual IP list. You'll be able to enter your receiver's address directly.

If neither of those works, then the problem is likely with your network.
post #60 of 86
Thinking about getting a refurb htr-4065...I wanted a Onkyo 818 but Im really scared off by the horror stories from Onkyo and all the problems they've been having over the years. I really dont use much other than 5.1 for blu-ray and internet radio like "tune in". I'm not driving large speakers just a 5.1 energy set. I think this will suit my needs. Seems Yamaha's quality and customer service is really good also! Just wondering if there is a night and day difference in sound between the two. I have a older Onkyo 6.1 600 watt system.
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